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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/16/about-those-fourteen-fbi-whistleblowers/#comment-2638099</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2022 02:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ rbj1 &#062; &quot;If you have kids in school or if your pension hasn’t vested, you are more likely to keep your head down.&quot;

I wonder if some or all of them have recently retired.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ rbj1 &gt; &#8220;If you have kids in school or if your pension hasn’t vested, you are more likely to keep your head down.&#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder if some or all of them have recently retired.</p>
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		By: rbj1		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/16/about-those-fourteen-fbi-whistleblowers/#comment-2637993</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2022 16:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you have kids in school or if your pension hasn&#039;t vested, you are more likely to keep your head down.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have kids in school or if your pension hasn&#8217;t vested, you are more likely to keep your head down.</p>
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		By: zenman		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/16/about-those-fourteen-fbi-whistleblowers/#comment-2637948</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[zenman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If I were an FBI agent who wanted to blow the whistle on crime/corruption/malfeasance, I&#039;d want to be assured that the effort wouldn&#039;t be wasted.

As in, there would be a good chance that there would be a fair investigation leading to charges and change.

In todays environment, there is no such assurance.

So, 14 out of thousands may sound small, but how many are waiting in the wings for Congress to have their back.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were an FBI agent who wanted to blow the whistle on crime/corruption/malfeasance, I&#8217;d want to be assured that the effort wouldn&#8217;t be wasted.</p>
<p>As in, there would be a good chance that there would be a fair investigation leading to charges and change.</p>
<p>In todays environment, there is no such assurance.</p>
<p>So, 14 out of thousands may sound small, but how many are waiting in the wings for Congress to have their back.</p>
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		By: Suburbanbanshee		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/16/about-those-fourteen-fbi-whistleblowers/#comment-2637946</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2022 13:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[If you&#039;re someone who joined the FBI to investigate crimes and arrest criminals, and then you get assigned to do something that is a crime in itself, it probably disturbs you. You would probably try to do something about it.

But most of the time, the FBI seems to assign &quot;politically reliable&quot; people to their political stuff, and most of them have never not worked at their HQ. They signed on to do bad things, so it doesn&#039;t bother them at all. 

So either 14 is pretty good numbers of bad agents seeing the light, or they are pulling that many people off anti-crime work to mess around with politics.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re someone who joined the FBI to investigate crimes and arrest criminals, and then you get assigned to do something that is a crime in itself, it probably disturbs you. You would probably try to do something about it.</p>
<p>But most of the time, the FBI seems to assign &#8220;politically reliable&#8221; people to their political stuff, and most of them have never not worked at their HQ. They signed on to do bad things, so it doesn&#8217;t bother them at all. </p>
<p>So either 14 is pretty good numbers of bad agents seeing the light, or they are pulling that many people off anti-crime work to mess around with politics.</p>
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		By: Christopher B		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Christopher B]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2022 12:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Then again, fourteen might be a high figure if the actual number of agents working on the suspect political cases is purposely being kept small, and especially if those agents are selected for their political sympathies with the left.&quot;

My general impression is that this is probably accurate.  IIRC the line agents who interviewed Gen Flynn in 2016 determined he wasn&#039;t lying, and it wasn&#039;t until the 302s were essentially rewritten by their superiors that the conclusion turned the other way.  The Hillary and Trump investigations were handled by many of the same people (Storkz was one IIRC).  Didn&#039;t the agent supervising the Whitmer kidnapping entrapment operation get moved the DC to head up the J6 inquisition? (it might have been the agent in charge of the field office that was running it).  There seems to be a lot of use of informants and kinda-sorta contractors when political operations are run outside DC.  My impression was the Whitmer deal involved several paid non-FBI personnel but only one or two actual agents.  It maybe that these sort of ops are tightly compartmentalized, and that a general culture of strict OPSEC keeps other agents from feeling confident that they know enough to be whistleblowers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Then again, fourteen might be a high figure if the actual number of agents working on the suspect political cases is purposely being kept small, and especially if those agents are selected for their political sympathies with the left.&#8221;</p>
<p>My general impression is that this is probably accurate.  IIRC the line agents who interviewed Gen Flynn in 2016 determined he wasn&#8217;t lying, and it wasn&#8217;t until the 302s were essentially rewritten by their superiors that the conclusion turned the other way.  The Hillary and Trump investigations were handled by many of the same people (Storkz was one IIRC).  Didn&#8217;t the agent supervising the Whitmer kidnapping entrapment operation get moved the DC to head up the J6 inquisition? (it might have been the agent in charge of the field office that was running it).  There seems to be a lot of use of informants and kinda-sorta contractors when political operations are run outside DC.  My impression was the Whitmer deal involved several paid non-FBI personnel but only one or two actual agents.  It maybe that these sort of ops are tightly compartmentalized, and that a general culture of strict OPSEC keeps other agents from feeling confident that they know enough to be whistleblowers.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/16/about-those-fourteen-fbi-whistleblowers/#comment-2637893</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2022 01:18:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What drew me to neo&#039;s blog was her Change Story and her general interest in change, especially from the standpoint of a psychotherapist. She has some great posts on the subject. For example, this is the first of a series:
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&lt;i&gt;Way back when I was in graduate school getting my Master’s degree, my fellow therapists-in-training and I (Democrats all, by the way) were forced to think long and hard (and to talk and talk and talk and write and write and write) about how it is that people change. Therapists are change-agents by definition, and it helps if a therapist actually believes that people can change. &lt;b&gt;But every therapist knows a bitter truth, and that is that true and fundamental change is both difficult and rare, and that it is often exceedingly painful for the person who changes, and for everyone around him/her. &lt;/b&gt;

--&quot;A mind is a difficult thing to change: Part One–Intro&quot;
https://www.thenewneo.com/2005/02/21/mind-is-difficult-thing-to-change-part-2/&lt;/i&gt;
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neo is quite right and her posts in this vein are well worth reading or rereading.

The majority of conservatives, from what I can tell, have never made a fundamental change and don&#039;t get the difficulty involved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What drew me to neo&#8217;s blog was her Change Story and her general interest in change, especially from the standpoint of a psychotherapist. She has some great posts on the subject. For example, this is the first of a series:<br />
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<p><i>Way back when I was in graduate school getting my Master’s degree, my fellow therapists-in-training and I (Democrats all, by the way) were forced to think long and hard (and to talk and talk and talk and write and write and write) about how it is that people change. Therapists are change-agents by definition, and it helps if a therapist actually believes that people can change. <b>But every therapist knows a bitter truth, and that is that true and fundamental change is both difficult and rare, and that it is often exceedingly painful for the person who changes, and for everyone around him/her. </b></p>
<p>&#8211;&#8220;A mind is a difficult thing to change: Part One–Intro&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2005/02/21/mind-is-difficult-thing-to-change-part-2/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2005/02/21/mind-is-difficult-thing-to-change-part-2/</a></i><br />
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<p>neo is quite right and her posts in this vein are well worth reading or rereading.</p>
<p>The majority of conservatives, from what I can tell, have never made a fundamental change and don&#8217;t get the difficulty involved.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/16/about-those-fourteen-fbi-whistleblowers/#comment-2637892</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2022 01:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Where were all these whistleblowers during the Russiagate investigation? Playing ostrich?&lt;/i&gt;

Steve Quist:

Mostly people stick with what worked before. That&#039;s why people don&#039;t change quickly or at all. There&#039;s no mystery to it.

What&#039;s different now is that the contradictions at the FBI have been repeated and become more obvious. Plus, as I say, the country is changing. More and more people are emboldened to say, &quot;Hey! Wait a minute. I don&#039;t agree with that.&quot;

That&#039;s why the Democrat polls are dropping. 

Sure, one might wish it would happen faster, but the point is that it is happening.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Where were all these whistleblowers during the Russiagate investigation? Playing ostrich?</i></p>
<p>Steve Quist:</p>
<p>Mostly people stick with what worked before. That&#8217;s why people don&#8217;t change quickly or at all. There&#8217;s no mystery to it.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s different now is that the contradictions at the FBI have been repeated and become more obvious. Plus, as I say, the country is changing. More and more people are emboldened to say, &#8220;Hey! Wait a minute. I don&#8217;t agree with that.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why the Democrat polls are dropping. </p>
<p>Sure, one might wish it would happen faster, but the point is that it is happening.</p>
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		By: Steve Quist		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Quist]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2022 00:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Where were all these whistleblowers during the Russiagate investigation? Playing ostrich?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where were all these whistleblowers during the Russiagate investigation? Playing ostrich?</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/16/about-those-fourteen-fbi-whistleblowers/#comment-2637889</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2022 00:49:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps nothing will come of the Fourteen. OTOH perhaps they represent the thin edge of a moving wedge.

As I say, the country is changing. It seems more likely IMO the whistleblowers are a small aspect of that change and may well embolden more FBI agents to come forth or take stands.

Change always starts with a few. Perhaps that&#039;s more obvious to me because I was on the Left for most of my life.

But I never imagined the Left would become so successful at changing America. 

Still, what can change in one direction, can change in the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps nothing will come of the Fourteen. OTOH perhaps they represent the thin edge of a moving wedge.</p>
<p>As I say, the country is changing. It seems more likely IMO the whistleblowers are a small aspect of that change and may well embolden more FBI agents to come forth or take stands.</p>
<p>Change always starts with a few. Perhaps that&#8217;s more obvious to me because I was on the Left for most of my life.</p>
<p>But I never imagined the Left would become so successful at changing America. </p>
<p>Still, what can change in one direction, can change in the other.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2022 23:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stimson whose career went back to teddy Roosevelt and forward to the other Roosevelt should know better, if memory serves, this came in response to the publication of Herbert Yardley&#039;s &#039;the Black Chamber&#039; which was a expose about a proto NSA, of course the UK had Room 40, the French and Germans had their own outfit]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stimson whose career went back to teddy Roosevelt and forward to the other Roosevelt should know better, if memory serves, this came in response to the publication of Herbert Yardley&#8217;s &#8216;the Black Chamber&#8217; which was a expose about a proto NSA, of course the UK had Room 40, the French and Germans had their own outfit</p>
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