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		By: A_Nonny-Mouse		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2022 01:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As far as The Left being &quot;against Trump, himself, personally&quot; --  I seem to recall one of those so-called Hawaiian judges opining on (that is, *against*) one of Trump&#039;s Executive Orders... (think this had to do with restricting travel from certain Islamic countries) to the effect that if Obama had issued the same order it would be legal and appropriate, because Obama had the proper benign mindset.  BUT! because Trump was of course bigoted, hateful, and Islamophobic, his INTENT was malicious, and therefore Mr Hawaiian Judge was going to nobly forbid The President from exercising his Constitutionally-enumerated power regarding immigration.  

(Does that ring a bell for anybody else here??)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as The Left being &#8220;against Trump, himself, personally&#8221; &#8212;  I seem to recall one of those so-called Hawaiian judges opining on (that is, *against*) one of Trump&#8217;s Executive Orders&#8230; (think this had to do with restricting travel from certain Islamic countries) to the effect that if Obama had issued the same order it would be legal and appropriate, because Obama had the proper benign mindset.  BUT! because Trump was of course bigoted, hateful, and Islamophobic, his INTENT was malicious, and therefore Mr Hawaiian Judge was going to nobly forbid The President from exercising his Constitutionally-enumerated power regarding immigration.  </p>
<p>(Does that ring a bell for anybody else here??)</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2022 01:52:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not to hassle Jester Naybor, who alluded to Matthew, but I like my Gospel straight, no chaser:
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&lt;i&gt;27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men&#039;s bones, and of all uncleanness.

--Matthew 23:27 (KJV)&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to hassle Jester Naybor, who alluded to Matthew, but I like my Gospel straight, no chaser:<br />
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<p><i>27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men&#8217;s bones, and of all uncleanness.</p>
<p>&#8211;Matthew 23:27 (KJV)</i></p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2022 01:09:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Trump lost the majority of the vote in both 2016 and 2020. The vagaries of our agrarian federalism past imposed him on the nation because of the Electoral College. Trump wasn’t considered a legitimate president because he wasn’t a legitimate president.&lt;/i&gt;

Understanding positive law is difficult to you.  By the way, here&#039;s a list of candidates who &#039;lost the majority vote&quot;

Hillary Clinton
Albert Gore
Bill Clinton (2x)
John Kennedy
Harry Truman
Woodrow Wilson (2x).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Trump lost the majority of the vote in both 2016 and 2020. The vagaries of our agrarian federalism past imposed him on the nation because of the Electoral College. Trump wasn’t considered a legitimate president because he wasn’t a legitimate president.</i></p>
<p>Understanding positive law is difficult to you.  By the way, here&#8217;s a list of candidates who &#8216;lost the majority vote&#8221;</p>
<p>Hillary Clinton<br />
Albert Gore<br />
Bill Clinton (2x)<br />
John Kennedy<br />
Harry Truman<br />
Woodrow Wilson (2x).</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2022 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not that anyone here will be particularly surprised, but if you click into Google News the Trump Raid is still the #1 story and the items listed are 90-95% anti-Trump.

To casual news consumers it looks like the DOJ had damn good reasons to bring the hammer down on Trump and the MAGA hats disagreeing are gullible, stubborn, and likely violent.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that anyone here will be particularly surprised, but if you click into Google News the Trump Raid is still the #1 story and the items listed are 90-95% anti-Trump.</p>
<p>To casual news consumers it looks like the DOJ had damn good reasons to bring the hammer down on Trump and the MAGA hats disagreeing are gullible, stubborn, and likely violent.</p>
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		By: Jester Naybor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Aug 2022 00:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Skipping Dog.

The Electoral College promotes diversity of thought.

I used to think that Democrats cherished diversity, but when it comes to diversity of thought y&#039;all are as lock-step conformist as the most prominent fundamentalist sects.

Trump&#039;s actions in office expanded the ability of ordinary people to live free and pursue happiness as they saw fit ... instead to leading them into Flounderian trust in a Pedestaled Elite that seeks to impose its answers blindly, without being able to accurately perceive what is best for each individual.

It is that trust, that makes you submit to everything that you decry, from your heroes.

C. S. Lewis described Progressives well ...

&lt;em&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; &lt;strong&gt;to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;/em&gt;

Neither is Trump a racist. He treats people, regardless of color, as responsible adults who deserve respect for their liberty and deserve being challenged when intellectually dishonest ... as opposed to Progressives, who come dressed in the royal robes of &quot;bless your heart&quot; condescension (the more common dress for bigots these days) and pigeonhole people into &quot;victims&quot; and &quot;privileged&quot; on the basis of surface appearances, like skin color.

Is he over-the-top at times? Yes. Is he a self-promoter in the vein of P. T. Barnum? Yes. But our &quot;statesmen&quot; have become so full of their own above-it-all elitism that they have become the equivalent of Judge Smails in Caddyshack ... and we needed an Al Czverik to come in and expose the rot behind the &quot;respected&quot; facades that resemble the description recorded in Matthew 23:27 - whitewashed tombs full of dead men&#039;s bones.

Progressives insist that they Know Better<img src="https://s.w.org/images/core/emoji/17.0.2/72x72/2122.png" alt="™" class="wp-smiley" style="height: 1em; max-height: 1em;" /> and should be allowed to call the shots.  They do not know better.

Calling Trump the dictator is nothing more than PROJECTION.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skipping Dog.</p>
<p>The Electoral College promotes diversity of thought.</p>
<p>I used to think that Democrats cherished diversity, but when it comes to diversity of thought y&#8217;all are as lock-step conformist as the most prominent fundamentalist sects.</p>
<p>Trump&#8217;s actions in office expanded the ability of ordinary people to live free and pursue happiness as they saw fit &#8230; instead to leading them into Flounderian trust in a Pedestaled Elite that seeks to impose its answers blindly, without being able to accurately perceive what is best for each individual.</p>
<p>It is that trust, that makes you submit to everything that you decry, from your heroes.</p>
<p>C. S. Lewis described Progressives well &#8230;</p>
<p><em></p>
<blockquote><p>Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be “cured” against one’s will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; <strong>to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.</strong></p></blockquote>
<p></em></p>
<p>Neither is Trump a racist. He treats people, regardless of color, as responsible adults who deserve respect for their liberty and deserve being challenged when intellectually dishonest &#8230; as opposed to Progressives, who come dressed in the royal robes of &#8220;bless your heart&#8221; condescension (the more common dress for bigots these days) and pigeonhole people into &#8220;victims&#8221; and &#8220;privileged&#8221; on the basis of surface appearances, like skin color.</p>
<p>Is he over-the-top at times? Yes. Is he a self-promoter in the vein of P. T. Barnum? Yes. But our &#8220;statesmen&#8221; have become so full of their own above-it-all elitism that they have become the equivalent of Judge Smails in Caddyshack &#8230; and we needed an Al Czverik to come in and expose the rot behind the &#8220;respected&#8221; facades that resemble the description recorded in Matthew 23:27 &#8211; whitewashed tombs full of dead men&#8217;s bones.</p>
<p>Progressives insist that they Know Better™ and should be allowed to call the shots.  They do not know better.</p>
<p>Calling Trump the dictator is nothing more than PROJECTION.</p>
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		By: Brian E		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Brian E]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 20:29:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Skipping Dog, apparently you don&#039;t believe in the rule of law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Skipping Dog, apparently you don&#8217;t believe in the rule of law.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 20:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[SkippingDog:

Bless you heart.  

Treason, sedition, anything else? Shopping at Walmart, having a cousin named Cletus?  

Do share more wisdom about the Electoral College and how presidents become legitimate.  You are legitimate, and can prove  your parentage?  

Cheers until then.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SkippingDog:</p>
<p>Bless you heart.  </p>
<p>Treason, sedition, anything else? Shopping at Walmart, having a cousin named Cletus?  </p>
<p>Do share more wisdom about the Electoral College and how presidents become legitimate.  You are legitimate, and can prove  your parentage?  </p>
<p>Cheers until then.</p>
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		By: SkippingDog		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SkippingDog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 20:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump lost the majority of the vote in both 2016 and 2020. The vagaries of our agrarian federalism past imposed him on the nation because of the Electoral College.  Trump wasn&#039;t considered a legitimate president because he wasn&#039;t a legitimate president. His actions in office merely underlined his long history of confidence trick, mob footsie, and tax evasion.  Treason and sedition are easy when you think the law doesn&#039;t apply to you or your family.

As Trump said, nobody who takes the 5th under oath is qualified to be the president, or even a federal employee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump lost the majority of the vote in both 2016 and 2020. The vagaries of our agrarian federalism past imposed him on the nation because of the Electoral College.  Trump wasn&#8217;t considered a legitimate president because he wasn&#8217;t a legitimate president. His actions in office merely underlined his long history of confidence trick, mob footsie, and tax evasion.  Treason and sedition are easy when you think the law doesn&#8217;t apply to you or your family.</p>
<p>As Trump said, nobody who takes the 5th under oath is qualified to be the president, or even a federal employee.</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 20:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Brian E: regarding your excellent question at the top of this thread, here&#039;s the answer I gave on this forum on November 8, 2020:

https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/11/07/fire-and-ice-on-the-enthusiasm-gap/#comment-2523839

Specifically, and to your point about states making self-defense pacts with each other:

&quot;The question now for us seventy-something million is, How best to resist and make clear that we are withholding our consent? Trump is an obvious rallying point for the resistance, so we can expect multiple indictments to be filed against him and key members of his entourage at 12:01 PM Eastern Time on January 20, 2021. With a few honorable exceptions (e.g. Nunes, Hawley, Cotton, possibly Crenshaw, possibly Cruz), the D.C. GOPe is either useless or toothless. That leaves the states. Governors of Red states–especially states with critical energy and manufacturing sectors (e.g. Kristi Noem, Greg Abbott, and Doug Burgum)–who are not already having serious conversations with the National Guard and state law enforcement about worst-case scenarios are being derelict their duty. In fact, they should be having those conversations with their counterparts in neighboring states. And they should make it known that they are having those conversations. They can frame them as purely precautionary and just-in-case, but they should have them.&quot;

I was about two years early on the indictments, but they&#039;re coming. I left the state departments of emergency management and revenue off the list of agencies to be consulted. I was dead wrong about Noem and I didn&#039;t see DeSantis on the horizon. Otherwise, I&#039;d give pretty much the same answer today. If this can be fixed, it will have to be fixed at the state level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian E: regarding your excellent question at the top of this thread, here&#8217;s the answer I gave on this forum on November 8, 2020:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/11/07/fire-and-ice-on-the-enthusiasm-gap/#comment-2523839" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thenewneo.com/2020/11/07/fire-and-ice-on-the-enthusiasm-gap/#comment-2523839</a></p>
<p>Specifically, and to your point about states making self-defense pacts with each other:</p>
<p>&#8220;The question now for us seventy-something million is, How best to resist and make clear that we are withholding our consent? Trump is an obvious rallying point for the resistance, so we can expect multiple indictments to be filed against him and key members of his entourage at 12:01 PM Eastern Time on January 20, 2021. With a few honorable exceptions (e.g. Nunes, Hawley, Cotton, possibly Crenshaw, possibly Cruz), the D.C. GOPe is either useless or toothless. That leaves the states. Governors of Red states–especially states with critical energy and manufacturing sectors (e.g. Kristi Noem, Greg Abbott, and Doug Burgum)–who are not already having serious conversations with the National Guard and state law enforcement about worst-case scenarios are being derelict their duty. In fact, they should be having those conversations with their counterparts in neighboring states. And they should make it known that they are having those conversations. They can frame them as purely precautionary and just-in-case, but they should have them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I was about two years early on the indictments, but they&#8217;re coming. I left the state departments of emergency management and revenue off the list of agencies to be consulted. I was dead wrong about Noem and I didn&#8217;t see DeSantis on the horizon. Otherwise, I&#8217;d give pretty much the same answer today. If this can be fixed, it will have to be fixed at the state level.</p>
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		By: Mark K		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2022 18:56:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[POTUS45 DJT has obviously been and always will be a colossal threat to all those amoral elitists who loathe and despise him. And why?  Because of his keen perception and willingness to actually bother to listen to all the voters out there who have been long ignored, used, bilked, conned, perpetually lied to and taken for granted by the same elitists contempt for decades.  

But perhaps more than that, these evil and conniving elitists are definitely beyond terrified of what DJT would do in a second term if he was to yank the curtain back to finally expose their treasonous high crimes and run them out with many bound for prison or even execution no doubt.  Nevertheless, the ill fated strategy to endlessly and relentlessly harass, demean, embarrass, persecute and prosecute him however possible actually achieves the opposite affect with the general public who are increasingly fed up with the incessant political BS.  They’re saturation point and disgust has pinnacled.  Meanwhile the economy and their country are in total free fall to a disaster.  Bottom line, no one likes bullies, heavy-handedness or an imbalanced and perverse injustice no matter who’s doing it. Especially by an increasingly corrupt and dishonest government who’ll eventually mistreat and bulldoze them or anyone else the same way.  

The elitist progressive left tend to always overplay their hand, yet are baffled when it backfires.  They never know when to stop.  As outrageous as their twisted witch hunt against DJT has become, it has only served to intensify and propel his immense popularity and probable path to the WH again anyways.  One must admit that ironic reality is certainly gratifying.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>POTUS45 DJT has obviously been and always will be a colossal threat to all those amoral elitists who loathe and despise him. And why?  Because of his keen perception and willingness to actually bother to listen to all the voters out there who have been long ignored, used, bilked, conned, perpetually lied to and taken for granted by the same elitists contempt for decades.  </p>
<p>But perhaps more than that, these evil and conniving elitists are definitely beyond terrified of what DJT would do in a second term if he was to yank the curtain back to finally expose their treasonous high crimes and run them out with many bound for prison or even execution no doubt.  Nevertheless, the ill fated strategy to endlessly and relentlessly harass, demean, embarrass, persecute and prosecute him however possible actually achieves the opposite affect with the general public who are increasingly fed up with the incessant political BS.  They’re saturation point and disgust has pinnacled.  Meanwhile the economy and their country are in total free fall to a disaster.  Bottom line, no one likes bullies, heavy-handedness or an imbalanced and perverse injustice no matter who’s doing it. Especially by an increasingly corrupt and dishonest government who’ll eventually mistreat and bulldoze them or anyone else the same way.  </p>
<p>The elitist progressive left tend to always overplay their hand, yet are baffled when it backfires.  They never know when to stop.  As outrageous as their twisted witch hunt against DJT has become, it has only served to intensify and propel his immense popularity and probable path to the WH again anyways.  One must admit that ironic reality is certainly gratifying.</p>
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