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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[You can&#039;t make this stuff up.
https://accordingtohoyt.com/2022/08/12/authenticity/#comment-868231
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Apparently Democrats issued a bunch of statements denouncing Trump for Salmon Rushdie getting stabbed today, claiming that the violence was due to Trump and Republicans “encouraging violence”. So of course the attacker was a supporter of Iran which still has an open Fatwa for Rushdie’s murder and has promised to reward whoever kills him:
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No link, but I wouldn&#039;t be surprised.

However, Greg Lukianoff &#038; Robert Shibley had this to say. 
https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/salman-rushdie-stabbing-shows-danger-221230063.html

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;The message sent by a successful attack on Rushdie is loud and unmistakable: your hurtful speech is the equivalent of violence against me and my values, and you deserve violence in return.&lt;/b&gt; It’s a message intended not just for Rushdie, but for anyone who might be tempted to follow in his footsteps.

When we began our careers in free speech advocacy in the early 2000s, the conflation of the expression of opinion with physical violence was a fringe belief, at least in the United States. Yet over the last 10 years, we have seen that argument become far more common, first on college campuses, and then in our society at large.

Advocates for seeing offensive speech as a form of violence tend to think that doing so would make society better. For example, just days after the riot that shut down a Milo Yiannopolous speech at the University of California-Berkeley in 2017, the Daily Californian student newspaper ran five op-eds in a single day from authors who sought to justify the use of violence in order to prevent the political provocateur of the moment from speaking. “These were not acts of violence. They were acts of self defense,” concluded one of the pieces.

These are not simply fringe opinions out of Planet Berkeley. In the largest campus survey of free expression, only 76 percent of students said it’s never acceptable to use violence to stop a campus speech. That is almost one in four students reporting some level of acceptance for violence to stop a speech they disagree with—even if they think it’s only “rarely” acceptable. This is alarming given that such efforts would be legal zero percent of the time.
...
It is a great sign of comparative peace and progress that younger Americans can convince themselves of a rough moral equivalence between peaceful argument and violence as a means for resolving disputes. But if violence and hurtful speech are actually equivalent, it’s not only logical to answer speech with violence, it’s impossible to cogently argue that you shouldn’t. A downward spiral towards violence is guaranteed.

&lt;b&gt;But we have no doubt that if our society reverted to solving more disputes using violence, they would quickly understand the superiority of liberal institutions like courts and Congress, and liberal norms like freedom of speech, over “might makes right.”&lt;/b&gt;

The vast majority of Americans who say that violent responses to speech are sometimes acceptable will nevertheless be appalled by the attack on Rushdie. &lt;b&gt;Yet they must come to grips with the fact that today’s attack, multiplied thousands of times, is how a society where violence is acceptable protest to speech would actually look.&lt;/b&gt; Free speech, and the peaceful version of conflict resolution it enables, is the only solution to this problem that does not require authoritarian repression.

Quoting an unnamed writer, Sigmund Freud perceptively noted in 1893 that “the man who first flung a word of abuse at his enemy instead of a spear was the founder of civilization.” &lt;b&gt;This is the painful lesson of thousands of years of human endeavor. It’s also a lesson our high schools, colleges, and institutions of all kinds have not lately bothered to teach. We may live to regret that oversight.&lt;/b&gt;

But beyond the hard-won lessons behind the speech/violence distinction, our thoughts are with Salman Rushdie and his family tonight. For his sake, and for all of ours, we hope that this brave artist will not only survive but live on to teach the world to never take a free and open society for granted.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Robert Shibley is Executive Director of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. Greg Lukianoff is FIRE’s President and CEO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t make this stuff up.<br />
<a href="https://accordingtohoyt.com/2022/08/12/authenticity/#comment-868231" rel="nofollow ugc">https://accordingtohoyt.com/2022/08/12/authenticity/#comment-868231</a></p>
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<p>Apparently Democrats issued a bunch of statements denouncing Trump for Salmon Rushdie getting stabbed today, claiming that the violence was due to Trump and Republicans “encouraging violence”. So of course the attacker was a supporter of Iran which still has an open Fatwa for Rushdie’s murder and has promised to reward whoever kills him:
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<p>No link, but I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised.</p>
<p>However, Greg Lukianoff &amp; Robert Shibley had this to say.<br />
<a href="https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/salman-rushdie-stabbing-shows-danger-221230063.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/salman-rushdie-stabbing-shows-danger-221230063.html</a></p>
<blockquote><p><b>The message sent by a successful attack on Rushdie is loud and unmistakable: your hurtful speech is the equivalent of violence against me and my values, and you deserve violence in return.</b> It’s a message intended not just for Rushdie, but for anyone who might be tempted to follow in his footsteps.</p>
<p>When we began our careers in free speech advocacy in the early 2000s, the conflation of the expression of opinion with physical violence was a fringe belief, at least in the United States. Yet over the last 10 years, we have seen that argument become far more common, first on college campuses, and then in our society at large.</p>
<p>Advocates for seeing offensive speech as a form of violence tend to think that doing so would make society better. For example, just days after the riot that shut down a Milo Yiannopolous speech at the University of California-Berkeley in 2017, the Daily Californian student newspaper ran five op-eds in a single day from authors who sought to justify the use of violence in order to prevent the political provocateur of the moment from speaking. “These were not acts of violence. They were acts of self defense,” concluded one of the pieces.</p>
<p>These are not simply fringe opinions out of Planet Berkeley. In the largest campus survey of free expression, only 76 percent of students said it’s never acceptable to use violence to stop a campus speech. That is almost one in four students reporting some level of acceptance for violence to stop a speech they disagree with—even if they think it’s only “rarely” acceptable. This is alarming given that such efforts would be legal zero percent of the time.<br />
&#8230;<br />
It is a great sign of comparative peace and progress that younger Americans can convince themselves of a rough moral equivalence between peaceful argument and violence as a means for resolving disputes. But if violence and hurtful speech are actually equivalent, it’s not only logical to answer speech with violence, it’s impossible to cogently argue that you shouldn’t. A downward spiral towards violence is guaranteed.</p>
<p><b>But we have no doubt that if our society reverted to solving more disputes using violence, they would quickly understand the superiority of liberal institutions like courts and Congress, and liberal norms like freedom of speech, over “might makes right.”</b></p>
<p>The vast majority of Americans who say that violent responses to speech are sometimes acceptable will nevertheless be appalled by the attack on Rushdie. <b>Yet they must come to grips with the fact that today’s attack, multiplied thousands of times, is how a society where violence is acceptable protest to speech would actually look.</b> Free speech, and the peaceful version of conflict resolution it enables, is the only solution to this problem that does not require authoritarian repression.</p>
<p>Quoting an unnamed writer, Sigmund Freud perceptively noted in 1893 that “the man who first flung a word of abuse at his enemy instead of a spear was the founder of civilization.” <b>This is the painful lesson of thousands of years of human endeavor. It’s also a lesson our high schools, colleges, and institutions of all kinds have not lately bothered to teach. We may live to regret that oversight.</b></p>
<p>But beyond the hard-won lessons behind the speech/violence distinction, our thoughts are with Salman Rushdie and his family tonight. For his sake, and for all of ours, we hope that this brave artist will not only survive but live on to teach the world to never take a free and open society for granted.
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<p>Robert Shibley is Executive Director of the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression. Greg Lukianoff is FIRE’s President and CEO.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/12/salman-rushdie-stabbed/#comment-2637413</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Aug 2022 07:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Paul in Boston - you might find this podcast interesting.

https://pjmedia.com/columns/raymond-ibrahim/2022/08/11/victor-davis-hanson-takes-a-deep-dive-into-the-historic-conflict-between-muslims-and-christians-n1620351]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Paul in Boston &#8211; you might find this podcast interesting.</p>
<p><a href="https://pjmedia.com/columns/raymond-ibrahim/2022/08/11/victor-davis-hanson-takes-a-deep-dive-into-the-historic-conflict-between-muslims-and-christians-n1620351" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/columns/raymond-ibrahim/2022/08/11/victor-davis-hanson-takes-a-deep-dive-into-the-historic-conflict-between-muslims-and-christians-n1620351</a></p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/12/salman-rushdie-stabbed/#comment-2637364</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2022 22:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Matar, the New York Post reports, has &quot;sympathies toward the Iranian government.&quot; But the NY State Police say the motive is unclear. Oh.

https://nypost.com/2022/08/12/nj-man-matar-hadi-with-sympathies-toward-iran-arrested-in-stabbing-of-salman-rushdie/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Matar, the New York Post reports, has &#8220;sympathies toward the Iranian government.&#8221; But the NY State Police say the motive is unclear. Oh.</p>
<p><a href="https://nypost.com/2022/08/12/nj-man-matar-hadi-with-sympathies-toward-iran-arrested-in-stabbing-of-salman-rushdie/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://nypost.com/2022/08/12/nj-man-matar-hadi-with-sympathies-toward-iran-arrested-in-stabbing-of-salman-rushdie/</a></p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/12/salman-rushdie-stabbed/#comment-2637360</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:52:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Update on Rushdie&#039;s condition as of 5:29 DST: &quot;The 75-year-old author was stabbed at least once in the neck and once in the abdomen and is still in surgery, officials said during a Friday evening press conference.

Hadi Matar, 24, of Fairview, New Jersey, was identified as the suspect in the stabbing, Major Eugene J. Staniszewski of the New York State Police told reporters. He had a pass to access the grounds, just like the others who were in the audience, officials said. . . . Officials said a doctor who was in the audience helped care for Rushdie while they waited for EMTs to arrive. . . . Staniszewski said that the suspect also attacked another speaker, who suffered a minor face injury. He was taken to a hospital and has been released, Staniszewski said.&quot;

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/salman-rushdie-attacked-stage-new-york/

Hadi Matar doesn&#039;t exactly sound like a WASP name. Can anyone identify the other speaker who was attacked?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Update on Rushdie&#8217;s condition as of 5:29 DST: &#8220;The 75-year-old author was stabbed at least once in the neck and once in the abdomen and is still in surgery, officials said during a Friday evening press conference.</p>
<p>Hadi Matar, 24, of Fairview, New Jersey, was identified as the suspect in the stabbing, Major Eugene J. Staniszewski of the New York State Police told reporters. He had a pass to access the grounds, just like the others who were in the audience, officials said. . . . Officials said a doctor who was in the audience helped care for Rushdie while they waited for EMTs to arrive. . . . Staniszewski said that the suspect also attacked another speaker, who suffered a minor face injury. He was taken to a hospital and has been released, Staniszewski said.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://www.cbsnews.com/news/salman-rushdie-attacked-stage-new-york/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.cbsnews.com/news/salman-rushdie-attacked-stage-new-york/</a></p>
<p>Hadi Matar doesn&#8217;t exactly sound like a WASP name. Can anyone identify the other speaker who was attacked?</p>
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		By: Paul in Boston		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/12/salman-rushdie-stabbed/#comment-2637358</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2022 21:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Muslims carry a grudge a long time.  For 700 years, since the beginning of Islam, they prayed for the conquest of Rome.  They finally  achieved it in 1453 with the the capture of Constantinople.  Osama bin Laden was a champ at this. He whined about the loss of al Andalus, Spain, to Ferdinand and Isabela in 1492.  He chose September 11 to commemorate the destruction of the Caliph’s army at the Gates of Vienna by the Jan Sobieski, King of Poland, on that day in 1683.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muslims carry a grudge a long time.  For 700 years, since the beginning of Islam, they prayed for the conquest of Rome.  They finally  achieved it in 1453 with the the capture of Constantinople.  Osama bin Laden was a champ at this. He whined about the loss of al Andalus, Spain, to Ferdinand and Isabela in 1492.  He chose September 11 to commemorate the destruction of the Caliph’s army at the Gates of Vienna by the Jan Sobieski, King of Poland, on that day in 1683.</p>
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		By: Fullmoon		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/12/salman-rushdie-stabbed/#comment-2637346</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Probably a Muslim. That being said, there are crazies and a-holes in every category, black, white, yellow, brown, old, young, men, women, dogs, cats, etc.

When there is news of drive by, or party, or club shooting, generally brown or black. School shooting, generally young and white.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Probably a Muslim. That being said, there are crazies and a-holes in every category, black, white, yellow, brown, old, young, men, women, dogs, cats, etc.</p>
<p>When there is news of drive by, or party, or club shooting, generally brown or black. School shooting, generally young and white.</p>
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		By: Fullmoon		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[He starred in a &quot;Curb Your Enthusiasm&quot; episode making light of the fatwa. he episode painted the fatwa as an advantage to scoring with women.

He was out and about with less concern and more safe  than a Trump supporter with MAGA hat leaving a Trump rally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He starred in a &#8220;Curb Your Enthusiasm&#8221; episode making light of the fatwa. he episode painted the fatwa as an advantage to scoring with women.</p>
<p>He was out and about with less concern and more safe  than a Trump supporter with MAGA hat leaving a Trump rally.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/12/salman-rushdie-stabbed/#comment-2637341</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The University of Pittsburgh Medical Center now has a satellite campus in Erie, Pa.  They medivac&#039;ed him there.  Much closer than the level I hospitals in Buffalo.  About 1/2 the distance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The University of Pittsburgh Medical Center now has a satellite campus in Erie, Pa.  They medivac&#8217;ed him there.  Much closer than the level I hospitals in Buffalo.  About 1/2 the distance.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/12/salman-rushdie-stabbed/#comment-2637340</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JimNorCal, 

I also carry a fairly hefty pocket knife these days. As I too am getting old, as well as retired and am no longer the martial artist I once was, though anyone can foot strike to the knee, punch to the solar plexus and throat and gouge the eyes. 

I recommend acquiring a &quot;Fast Strike Self Defense Tool&quot; https://www.faststrikedefense.com/
It fits nicely in my back pocket. 

As avoiding a fight in the first place is the best preventative, I do my shopping in the morning, when thugs are sleeping it off. Being unprepared is not an option.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JimNorCal, </p>
<p>I also carry a fairly hefty pocket knife these days. As I too am getting old, as well as retired and am no longer the martial artist I once was, though anyone can foot strike to the knee, punch to the solar plexus and throat and gouge the eyes. </p>
<p>I recommend acquiring a &#8220;Fast Strike Self Defense Tool&#8221; <a href="https://www.faststrikedefense.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.faststrikedefense.com/</a><br />
It fits nicely in my back pocket. </p>
<p>As avoiding a fight in the first place is the best preventative, I do my shopping in the morning, when thugs are sleeping it off. Being unprepared is not an option.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/12/salman-rushdie-stabbed/#comment-2637339</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Aug 2022 20:18:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

This isn&#039;t about the town.

This is about &lt;i&gt;anywhere Rushdie goes&lt;/i&gt; where it is known he will be.  This was a scheduled address.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t about the town.</p>
<p>This is about <i>anywhere Rushdie goes</i> where it is known he will be.  This was a scheduled address.</p>
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