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		By: buddhaha		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Aug 2022 00:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Wilcox - 

Yeah, the DCI crew has come a long way since the days when people in A Real Marching Band would refer to them as  Dumb and Bungle Corps.

Personally, I think they&#039;ve gone overboard on the showmanship. The precision and the music is impressive enough without all the flag wavers. That stuff can add decoration, but a lot of the time it gets in the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Wilcox &#8211; </p>
<p>Yeah, the DCI crew has come a long way since the days when people in A Real Marching Band would refer to them as  Dumb and Bungle Corps.</p>
<p>Personally, I think they&#8217;ve gone overboard on the showmanship. The precision and the music is impressive enough without all the flag wavers. That stuff can add decoration, but a lot of the time it gets in the way.</p>
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		By: TR		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To Art Deco,
 Thanks for reply about that case.
 I very much agree. 
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Art Deco,<br />
 Thanks for reply about that case.<br />
 I very much agree.<br />
 : )</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/09/open-thread-8-8-22/#comment-2636880</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 16:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Carolyn Donham, then Carolyn Bryant,  operated a general store with other family members in Money, Mississippi. She had an exchange one day with a youth over the counter which was disagreeable to her.  What he actually did and said to her we cannot know because there were only two people present.  We do know it was something out of the ordinary, as she had exchanges with black youths every day; most of the store&#039;s customers were black. (By some accounts from disinterested parties, she was perturbed in real time).  Her husband and brother-in-law were out of town that day and found out about the incident on their return.  How they found out is not altogether certain, as all the witnesses were interested parties.  (By some accounts, Carolyn Bryand and her brother-in-law&#039;s wife elected to let the matter drop, the children in the family let the cat out of the bag).  Her husband and brother-in-law responded by tracking down the youth in question, kidnapping him, and beating him to death.  There are satisfactory eyewitnesses that there were other people in Bryant and Milam&#039;s truck when Till was kidnapped, but their identity has never been established.  The two men were prosecuted and Carolyn Bryant offered testimony at their trial.  She may have told the truth, or she may have embellished the event.  She was an interested witness so not altogether reliable.  The jury let Bryant and Milam off, but the town ostracized them when a &lt;i&gt;Look&lt;/i&gt; magazine article about the case was published; Bryant and Milam had agreed to answer questions from the reporter and bragged about the murder.  The men are long dead, as is Mrs. Milam.  (Both women eventually divorced their husbands).

It&#039;s a reasonable wager this woman was an accomplice of some sort to the abduction and a reasonable wager she perjured herself at trial.  However, that is entirely speculative.  There is no basis for commencing an investigation of a an 88 year old woman over a crime which occurred 67 years ago.  If Mississippi&#039;s penal code is of the modal type, any prosecution would be time-barred now and would have been time-barred 60 years ago, unless you had evidence that she was a conspirator.  

This is all too stupid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn Donham, then Carolyn Bryant,  operated a general store with other family members in Money, Mississippi. She had an exchange one day with a youth over the counter which was disagreeable to her.  What he actually did and said to her we cannot know because there were only two people present.  We do know it was something out of the ordinary, as she had exchanges with black youths every day; most of the store&#8217;s customers were black. (By some accounts from disinterested parties, she was perturbed in real time).  Her husband and brother-in-law were out of town that day and found out about the incident on their return.  How they found out is not altogether certain, as all the witnesses were interested parties.  (By some accounts, Carolyn Bryand and her brother-in-law&#8217;s wife elected to let the matter drop, the children in the family let the cat out of the bag).  Her husband and brother-in-law responded by tracking down the youth in question, kidnapping him, and beating him to death.  There are satisfactory eyewitnesses that there were other people in Bryant and Milam&#8217;s truck when Till was kidnapped, but their identity has never been established.  The two men were prosecuted and Carolyn Bryant offered testimony at their trial.  She may have told the truth, or she may have embellished the event.  She was an interested witness so not altogether reliable.  The jury let Bryant and Milam off, but the town ostracized them when a <i>Look</i> magazine article about the case was published; Bryant and Milam had agreed to answer questions from the reporter and bragged about the murder.  The men are long dead, as is Mrs. Milam.  (Both women eventually divorced their husbands).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a reasonable wager this woman was an accomplice of some sort to the abduction and a reasonable wager she perjured herself at trial.  However, that is entirely speculative.  There is no basis for commencing an investigation of a an 88 year old woman over a crime which occurred 67 years ago.  If Mississippi&#8217;s penal code is of the modal type, any prosecution would be time-barred now and would have been time-barred 60 years ago, unless you had evidence that she was a conspirator.  </p>
<p>This is all too stupid.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey:

Indeed about things going boom only when you want them to.  Sympathetic dentonations and
 insensitive high explosives are a thing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Aubrey:</p>
<p>Indeed about things going boom only when you want them to.  Sympathetic dentonations and<br />
 insensitive high explosives are a thing.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 15:02:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om.  Ammunition is designed to be difficult to make explode except as designed.  Indeed, many artillery shells are stored without the fuses, which are inserted later, depending on the tactical need.
Small arms ammo cooks off like popcorn on &#039;roids.  
While using the enemy&#039;s own stored energy against him is an attractive proposition--see Guns of Navarone--it takes a lot of luck when it&#039;s ammo.
One big explosion....and a similar one some distance away....was the delivery of a large amount of energy, not the guerilla&#039;s lunch box with two pounds of C4 and a timer next to the ammo locker.
It would be interesting to see if somebody could time the explosion to the fraction to see if the explosion was high-order (warhead((s)), or lower order...propellant.  Those are usually stored separately.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om.  Ammunition is designed to be difficult to make explode except as designed.  Indeed, many artillery shells are stored without the fuses, which are inserted later, depending on the tactical need.<br />
Small arms ammo cooks off like popcorn on &#8216;roids.<br />
While using the enemy&#8217;s own stored energy against him is an attractive proposition&#8211;see Guns of Navarone&#8211;it takes a lot of luck when it&#8217;s ammo.<br />
One big explosion&#8230;.and a similar one some distance away&#8230;.was the delivery of a large amount of energy, not the guerilla&#8217;s lunch box with two pounds of C4 and a timer next to the ammo locker.<br />
It would be interesting to see if somebody could time the explosion to the fraction to see if the explosion was high-order (warhead((s)), or lower order&#8230;propellant.  Those are usually stored separately.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 10:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I love the Moiseyev ballet, and they do have lovely smiles, but the camera keeps cutting to their faces when I want to see their &lt;em&gt;feet.&lt;/em&gt;

@ JohnTyler - watching them dance makes my entire body hurt.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I love the Moiseyev ballet, and they do have lovely smiles, but the camera keeps cutting to their faces when I want to see their <em>feet.</em></p>
<p>@ JohnTyler &#8211; watching them dance makes my entire body hurt.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 02:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In the world beyond the Brandon Bananna Republic the Ukrainians gave Vlad a little surprise:  boom, boom in Crimea.  Enough to make Vlad feint?

 https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/08/09/airbase-in-russian-occupied-crimea-hit-by-devastating-ukrainian-attack-n609575

Ukrainians degrading Vlad&#039;s Crimean air power that would be needed
for a defense of Kerson, or necessary for a spoiling counteroffensive by Vlad against the Ukrainians?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the world beyond the Brandon Bananna Republic the Ukrainians gave Vlad a little surprise:  boom, boom in Crimea.  Enough to make Vlad feint?</p>
<p> <a href="https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/08/09/airbase-in-russian-occupied-crimea-hit-by-devastating-ukrainian-attack-n609575" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/08/09/airbase-in-russian-occupied-crimea-hit-by-devastating-ukrainian-attack-n609575</a></p>
<p>Ukrainians degrading Vlad&#8217;s Crimean air power that would be needed<br />
for a defense of Kerson, or necessary for a spoiling counteroffensive by Vlad against the Ukrainians?</p>
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		By: T J Olson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 01:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rep Liz and other on Covid.

The current strains are too far unrelated to the first for the Orginal Vax to do any good. Best is exposure to Omicron (November in SA, January in the US.)
This gives broadest immune recognition, while boosters of the original Vax are too narrow and likely also prime the immune system to respond reactively to minute exposure.

RNA viruses evolve rapidly, and this likely lab made and enhanced for humans does just that.

I’ve ceased using Dr John Campbell’s daily YT and very timely updates. The Mich gov is making stuff up, or more likely regurgitating made up stuff by our evil health overlords who refuse to admit that Vax effectiveness declines with time (6 months at first), and even shorter with successive “boosters.” (Although, some protection against deathly outcomes might be retained — and for some, maybe long term, even years — again, SEARCH Campbell on YT. He likely covers that point in his many, many vids since the Omicron variant.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rep Liz and other on Covid.</p>
<p>The current strains are too far unrelated to the first for the Orginal Vax to do any good. Best is exposure to Omicron (November in SA, January in the US.)<br />
This gives broadest immune recognition, while boosters of the original Vax are too narrow and likely also prime the immune system to respond reactively to minute exposure.</p>
<p>RNA viruses evolve rapidly, and this likely lab made and enhanced for humans does just that.</p>
<p>I’ve ceased using Dr John Campbell’s daily YT and very timely updates. The Mich gov is making stuff up, or more likely regurgitating made up stuff by our evil health overlords who refuse to admit that Vax effectiveness declines with time (6 months at first), and even shorter with successive “boosters.” (Although, some protection against deathly outcomes might be retained — and for some, maybe long term, even years — again, SEARCH Campbell on YT. He likely covers that point in his many, many vids since the Omicron variant.)</p>
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		By: TR		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/09/open-thread-8-8-22/#comment-2636793</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Aug 2022 00:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The CBS news site had a story with this title:

 &quot;Grand jury declines to indict White woman who set off Emmett Till&#039;s lynching&quot;.

 This title, to me, is poorly worded.
 
 Yes, she said to some white men that somebody &quot;whistled at her and acted inappropriately&quot;, in a store that she was in, but she did not identify  Emmett Till as the person who did these things.

 The article&#039;s title: 
&quot;Grand jury declines to indict White woman who set off Emmett Till&#039;s lynching&quot;, can suggest that 1) she identified Till as the person who did these actions, (+ it appears now that she did not), and 2) that she was working with people who wanted to- do violence or maybe deadly violence to Till, (and current news says -she was not).

 According to the woman in question, Carolyn Donham, she says she did not know that the people who were looking for Emmett Till, wanted to do violence to Till.
 
 She says that she didn&#039;t know that these people, who did the violent crimes + murder, were, in my words- out to do violent crimes to him or to anyone else in this event.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CBS news site had a story with this title:</p>
<p> &#8220;Grand jury declines to indict White woman who set off Emmett Till&#8217;s lynching&#8221;.</p>
<p> This title, to me, is poorly worded.</p>
<p> Yes, she said to some white men that somebody &#8220;whistled at her and acted inappropriately&#8221;, in a store that she was in, but she did not identify  Emmett Till as the person who did these things.</p>
<p> The article&#8217;s title:<br />
&#8220;Grand jury declines to indict White woman who set off Emmett Till&#8217;s lynching&#8221;, can suggest that 1) she identified Till as the person who did these actions, (+ it appears now that she did not), and 2) that she was working with people who wanted to- do violence or maybe deadly violence to Till, (and current news says -she was not).</p>
<p> According to the woman in question, Carolyn Donham, she says she did not know that the people who were looking for Emmett Till, wanted to do violence to Till.</p>
<p> She says that she didn&#8217;t know that these people, who did the violent crimes + murder, were, in my words- out to do violent crimes to him or to anyone else in this event.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JimNorCal:

There&#039;s plenty of proof. I&#039;ve written about that proof many times both in posts here and in comments.  I&#039;m not going to do all that work all over again now.

I have never seen a study for the most recent strain, however.  But it&#039;s been shown over and over again for previous strains that the shots result in milder cases on the whole, although I think that with the more recent strains they don&#039;t reduce the &lt;i&gt;number&lt;/i&gt; of cases in those who have had the shots.  

I have found that the articles that purport to prove it&#039;s not true use faulty number-crunching, and I&#039;ve discussed some of &lt;i&gt;that&lt;/i&gt; on this blog, too.

If you want to see some of the articles on Omicron and vaccines - which I just found by doing a search - see &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/covid-19-vaccines-induce-immune-response-omicron&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; from this past February. There&#039;s also &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/05/3-covid-vaccine-doses-appear-protect-against-omicron-subvariants&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt;.  I assume there are more; that&#039;s just what I found in less than a minute.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JimNorCal:</p>
<p>There&#8217;s plenty of proof. I&#8217;ve written about that proof many times both in posts here and in comments.  I&#8217;m not going to do all that work all over again now.</p>
<p>I have never seen a study for the most recent strain, however.  But it&#8217;s been shown over and over again for previous strains that the shots result in milder cases on the whole, although I think that with the more recent strains they don&#8217;t reduce the <i>number</i> of cases in those who have had the shots.  </p>
<p>I have found that the articles that purport to prove it&#8217;s not true use faulty number-crunching, and I&#8217;ve discussed some of <i>that</i> on this blog, too.</p>
<p>If you want to see some of the articles on Omicron and vaccines &#8211; which I just found by doing a search &#8211; see <a href="https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/covid-19-vaccines-induce-immune-response-omicron" rel="nofollow ugc">this</a> from this past February. There&#8217;s also <a href="https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2022/05/3-covid-vaccine-doses-appear-protect-against-omicron-subvariants" rel="nofollow ugc">this</a>.  I assume there are more; that&#8217;s just what I found in less than a minute.</p>
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