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		By: MBunge		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/06/are-the-lights-going-out-all-over-europe-trump-warned-them/#comment-2636447</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MBunge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 15:58:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“If I could see it coming why couldn’t the European bureaucracy?“

They could.  They did.  They do.  But acknowledging the problem would require fixing it.  And fixing the problem would require a lot of important people admitting they were very wrong about a great many thing.

These people see the iceberg approaching after staking their reputation on icebergs being a thing of the past.  Now they’re just hoping the iceberg is far enough away so they’ll be dead before it hits.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“If I could see it coming why couldn’t the European bureaucracy?“</p>
<p>They could.  They did.  They do.  But acknowledging the problem would require fixing it.  And fixing the problem would require a lot of important people admitting they were very wrong about a great many thing.</p>
<p>These people see the iceberg approaching after staking their reputation on icebergs being a thing of the past.  Now they’re just hoping the iceberg is far enough away so they’ll be dead before it hits.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/06/are-the-lights-going-out-all-over-europe-trump-warned-them/#comment-2636443</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MBunge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 15:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A point is that we&#039;re not talking about plain stupidity.  It&#039;s more being elevated beyond your intellect.  After all, one of the real markers of great intelligence and learning is a level of humility because you know how much you don&#039;t know.

It&#039;s not that they&#039;re just idiots.  It&#039;s that someone who should have been the shop steward at a factory in their hometown winds up writing articles for some DC thinktank.  Or someone like Krugman, who should have stayed someone only other economists recognized, being elevated to a political pundit.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A point is that we&#8217;re not talking about plain stupidity.  It&#8217;s more being elevated beyond your intellect.  After all, one of the real markers of great intelligence and learning is a level of humility because you know how much you don&#8217;t know.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not that they&#8217;re just idiots.  It&#8217;s that someone who should have been the shop steward at a factory in their hometown winds up writing articles for some DC thinktank.  Or someone like Krugman, who should have stayed someone only other economists recognized, being elevated to a political pundit.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: Joseph Somsel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joseph Somsel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wrote about the same concern and offered the same remedy in a 2008 piece in American Thinker called &quot; Sticking it to Gazprom.&quot;

If I could see it coming why couldn&#039;t the European bureaucracy?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote about the same concern and offered the same remedy in a 2008 piece in American Thinker called &#8221; Sticking it to Gazprom.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I could see it coming why couldn&#8217;t the European bureaucracy?</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Short version: &quot;Not stupid, merely delusional&quot;...?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Short version: &#8220;Not stupid, merely delusional&#8221;&#8230;?</p>
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		By: M Smith		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M Smith]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IYI was a buzzword a few years back.  &quot;Intellectual, yet idiot.&quot;  I&#039;m inclined to think that people are so much prisoners of their beliefs and ideologies that there is always some distortion of reality in the way they see the world.  That&#039;s not really stupidity, and it&#039;s not confined to some group of people.  Imperfect knowledge and incorrect knowledge are part of the human condition.  But some belief systems do let more light in than others, and enable people to assess the state of things more accurately.

So I don&#039;t think Paul Krugman, say, or Angela Merkel is stupid.  They are just acting as if what they want to believe to be true actually is true, and their minds are working hard to maintain their belief system and the conclusions they&#039;ve already reached.  I would also agree that liberals and progressives tend to believe what sounds good, rather than investigate what actually works.  That&#039;s especially true nowadays.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IYI was a buzzword a few years back.  &#8220;Intellectual, yet idiot.&#8221;  I&#8217;m inclined to think that people are so much prisoners of their beliefs and ideologies that there is always some distortion of reality in the way they see the world.  That&#8217;s not really stupidity, and it&#8217;s not confined to some group of people.  Imperfect knowledge and incorrect knowledge are part of the human condition.  But some belief systems do let more light in than others, and enable people to assess the state of things more accurately.</p>
<p>So I don&#8217;t think Paul Krugman, say, or Angela Merkel is stupid.  They are just acting as if what they want to believe to be true actually is true, and their minds are working hard to maintain their belief system and the conclusions they&#8217;ve already reached.  I would also agree that liberals and progressives tend to believe what sounds good, rather than investigate what actually works.  That&#8217;s especially true nowadays.</p>
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		By: Linda S Fox		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Linda S Fox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 08:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The importance of the Great Lakes (the source of approximately 1/5 of the world&#039;s fresh water) is not acknowledged by BOTH conservatives and progressives.
And, BTW, the raw ability that IQ indicates is NOT correlated with skilled use of that potential. MANY &quot;highly intelligent&quot; people fail to use reason to guide their decisions. They rely, instead, on emotionally-driven input.
It&#039;s not whether the ABILITY is missing; it&#039;s whether that person uses SKILLS to process information.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The importance of the Great Lakes (the source of approximately 1/5 of the world&#8217;s fresh water) is not acknowledged by BOTH conservatives and progressives.<br />
And, BTW, the raw ability that IQ indicates is NOT correlated with skilled use of that potential. MANY &#8220;highly intelligent&#8221; people fail to use reason to guide their decisions. They rely, instead, on emotionally-driven input.<br />
It&#8217;s not whether the ABILITY is missing; it&#8217;s whether that person uses SKILLS to process information.</p>
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		By: Rusty W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rusty W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I live near the Great Lakes region in the United States. Whenever I talk with someone who is pushing the unproven theory of &quot;climate change,&quot; I would ask them if they know what happened to form the Great Lakes. After they invariably give me a blank look, I tell them that thousands of years ago, the earth cooled, and great sheets of ice (glaciers) came down from the north and scooped out the Great Lakes (and lots of smaller lakes in states like Michigan and Minnesota). But then the earth warmed up again, and those glaciers melted away.

I then ask them, why was that? Was it because factories were belching smoke into the atmosphere? Was it because ancient humans were driving around in SUVs? I then have to tell them that the earth is going to do what it wants to do regarding temperature and &quot;climate change,&quot; and that humans don&#039;t have a thing to do with it. The sun, for example, can vary the amount of energy it radiates.

I also tell them I am old enough to remember when Mt. St. Helens erupted in the Pacific northwest. That volcanic spewed enough volcanic ash into the air so that it cut down how much radiant energy from the sun reached the earth, and we had cool summers for the next couple of years after that event. I also remember how the &quot;scientists&quot; in the 1970s were predicting doom from the next coming &quot;ice age&quot; that was just around the corner!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live near the Great Lakes region in the United States. Whenever I talk with someone who is pushing the unproven theory of &#8220;climate change,&#8221; I would ask them if they know what happened to form the Great Lakes. After they invariably give me a blank look, I tell them that thousands of years ago, the earth cooled, and great sheets of ice (glaciers) came down from the north and scooped out the Great Lakes (and lots of smaller lakes in states like Michigan and Minnesota). But then the earth warmed up again, and those glaciers melted away.</p>
<p>I then ask them, why was that? Was it because factories were belching smoke into the atmosphere? Was it because ancient humans were driving around in SUVs? I then have to tell them that the earth is going to do what it wants to do regarding temperature and &#8220;climate change,&#8221; and that humans don&#8217;t have a thing to do with it. The sun, for example, can vary the amount of energy it radiates.</p>
<p>I also tell them I am old enough to remember when Mt. St. Helens erupted in the Pacific northwest. That volcanic spewed enough volcanic ash into the air so that it cut down how much radiant energy from the sun reached the earth, and we had cool summers for the next couple of years after that event. I also remember how the &#8220;scientists&#8221; in the 1970s were predicting doom from the next coming &#8220;ice age&#8221; that was just around the corner!</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/06/are-the-lights-going-out-all-over-europe-trump-warned-them/#comment-2636393</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 03:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think a lot of the problem stems from basic arrogance...

(Not sure if that&#039;s one of the seven deadlies, but maybe it ought to be.... OTOH, it may well be a natural characteristic, one that has to be &quot;unlearned&quot;. But how does one &quot;unlearn&quot; arrogance....? &quot;There but for the grace go I&quot;? Across-the-board---as opposed to &quot;selective&quot;---empathy? Experience? One certainly has to know when one is being exposed---and influenced by---propaganda...and so read &quot;1984&quot; every so often? Count to ten---like anger---before making decisions? Read more books?...On the third hand, arrogance DOES have its uses...in some areas, at some times...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a lot of the problem stems from basic arrogance&#8230;</p>
<p>(Not sure if that&#8217;s one of the seven deadlies, but maybe it ought to be&#8230;. OTOH, it may well be a natural characteristic, one that has to be &#8220;unlearned&#8221;. But how does one &#8220;unlearn&#8221; arrogance&#8230;.? &#8220;There but for the grace go I&#8221;? Across-the-board&#8212;as opposed to &#8220;selective&#8221;&#8212;empathy? Experience? One certainly has to know when one is being exposed&#8212;and influenced by&#8212;propaganda&#8230;and so read &#8220;1984&#8221; every so often? Count to ten&#8212;like anger&#8212;before making decisions? Read more books?&#8230;On the third hand, arrogance DOES have its uses&#8230;in some areas, at some times&#8230;)</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Aug 2022 00:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I will repeat my own assertion that the real meaning of “stupid” in this context is “Fool”, not “idiot”. Many don’t grasp the distinction directly even though they grasp, and mean it, implicitly without speaking.&lt;/i&gt;

OBloodyHell:

Your assertion is not mine. You don&#039;t get reword what I say, then claim victory.

Perhaps my case is not common, but it does exist. I once argued to some length with a conservative, quite intelligent in my estimation, who claimed that liberal types were truly not intelligent on account of their liberal positions. That settled it as far as he was concerned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I will repeat my own assertion that the real meaning of “stupid” in this context is “Fool”, not “idiot”. Many don’t grasp the distinction directly even though they grasp, and mean it, implicitly without speaking.</i></p>
<p>OBloodyHell:</p>
<p>Your assertion is not mine. You don&#8217;t get reword what I say, then claim victory.</p>
<p>Perhaps my case is not common, but it does exist. I once argued to some length with a conservative, quite intelligent in my estimation, who claimed that liberal types were truly not intelligent on account of their liberal positions. That settled it as far as he was concerned.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Aug 2022 23:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[huxley:

I think a more common criticism of liberals is that they dismiss sources on the right (usually without reading them, and by labeling them &quot;racist&quot; or something equally pejorative) and uncritically believe sources on the left.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>huxley:</p>
<p>I think a more common criticism of liberals is that they dismiss sources on the right (usually without reading them, and by labeling them &#8220;racist&#8221; or something equally pejorative) and uncritically believe sources on the left.</p>
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