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		By: Joe Manchin announces ... - The New Neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Joe Manchin announces ... - The New Neo]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] back at my posts, in August of 2022 I thought there was a good chance he wouldn&#8217;t run for re-election in 2024. Logic tells me his retirement from the [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] back at my posts, in August of 2022 I thought there was a good chance he wouldn&#8217;t run for re-election in 2024. Logic tells me his retirement from the [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/03/primary-reflections-plus-joe-manchin/#comment-2635991</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2022 09:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Frederick &#062; &quot; The Buckley maxim to support the most conservative electable candidate is a rule that mostly benefits the Swamp–because they are the ones who get to say that someone is “electable”.&quot;

Thank you for articulating something that I have thought about for some time now.
I don&#039;t think Buckley really did much to preserve Conservatism in the sense that many of us define it, but only some version that was just enough to the Right of center to pretend that he was.

No references - just a gestalt of impressions over the years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Frederick &gt; &#8221; The Buckley maxim to support the most conservative electable candidate is a rule that mostly benefits the Swamp–because they are the ones who get to say that someone is “electable”.&#8221;</p>
<p>Thank you for articulating something that I have thought about for some time now.<br />
I don&#8217;t think Buckley really did much to preserve Conservatism in the sense that many of us define it, but only some version that was just enough to the Right of center to pretend that he was.</p>
<p>No references &#8211; just a gestalt of impressions over the years.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/03/primary-reflections-plus-joe-manchin/#comment-2635903</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2022 19:21:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[miguel cervantes:

It affirmed &lt;i&gt;Dobbs&lt;/i&gt; in the sense that it was the state deciding on abortion. However, in 2019 the Kansas Supreme Court ruled that the state constitution includes a right to abortion, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.npr.org/2019/04/26/717449336/kansas-supreme-court-rules-state-constitution-protects-right-to-abortion&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;based on reasoning&lt;/a&gt; such as this:

&lt;blockquote&gt;The decision, in which one of the seven justices dissented, cites in its first sentence the first section of the Kansas Constitution&#039;s Bill of Rights: &quot;All men are possessed of equal and inalienable natural rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.&quot;

The decision continues: &quot;We are now asked: &#039;Is this declaration of rights more than an idealized aspiration? And, if so, do the substantive rights include a woman&#039;s right to make decisions about her body, including the decision whether to continue her pregnancy? We answer these questions, &#039;Yes.&#039; &quot;

The court continued that &quot;this right allows a woman to make her own decisions regarding her body, health, family formation, and family life — decisions that can include whether to continue a pregnancy.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That was in the &lt;i&gt;Roe&lt;/i&gt; days, of course.

Kansas presently allows abortions up to week 22.  What was being voted on was whether that state constitutional right to abortion should remain or whether the state constitution should be interpreted as establishing no right to abortion. In that sense, at least for now as a result of both the earlier Kansas Supreme Court decision plus this week&#039;s vote, the state can&#039;t ban abortion &lt;i&gt;entirely&lt;/i&gt; unless they amended the state constitution to specifically say that abortion could be banned because the language in question does &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; establish a right to abortion (which was what the Tuesday vote was about) - or unless the Kansas Supreme Court revisited the question and interpreted the present wording of the state constitution differently than previously.    Apparently, however, even now the state could &lt;i&gt;restrict&lt;/i&gt; abortion to a shorter gestation period.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miguel cervantes:</p>
<p>It affirmed <i>Dobbs</i> in the sense that it was the state deciding on abortion. However, in 2019 the Kansas Supreme Court ruled that the state constitution includes a right to abortion, <a href="https://www.npr.org/2019/04/26/717449336/kansas-supreme-court-rules-state-constitution-protects-right-to-abortion" rel="nofollow ugc">based on reasoning</a> such as this:</p>
<blockquote><p>The decision, in which one of the seven justices dissented, cites in its first sentence the first section of the Kansas Constitution&#8217;s Bill of Rights: &#8220;All men are possessed of equal and inalienable natural rights, among which are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>The decision continues: &#8220;We are now asked: &#8216;Is this declaration of rights more than an idealized aspiration? And, if so, do the substantive rights include a woman&#8217;s right to make decisions about her body, including the decision whether to continue her pregnancy? We answer these questions, &#8216;Yes.&#8217; &#8221;</p>
<p>The court continued that &#8220;this right allows a woman to make her own decisions regarding her body, health, family formation, and family life — decisions that can include whether to continue a pregnancy.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>That was in the <i>Roe</i> days, of course.</p>
<p>Kansas presently allows abortions up to week 22.  What was being voted on was whether that state constitutional right to abortion should remain or whether the state constitution should be interpreted as establishing no right to abortion. In that sense, at least for now as a result of both the earlier Kansas Supreme Court decision plus this week&#8217;s vote, the state can&#8217;t ban abortion <i>entirely</i> unless they amended the state constitution to specifically say that abortion could be banned because the language in question does <i>not</i> establish a right to abortion (which was what the Tuesday vote was about) &#8211; or unless the Kansas Supreme Court revisited the question and interpreted the present wording of the state constitution differently than previously.    Apparently, however, even now the state could <i>restrict</i> abortion to a shorter gestation period.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/03/primary-reflections-plus-joe-manchin/#comment-2635900</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2022 19:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[it wasn&#039;t it just affirmed dobbs, and it made it possible to regulate the procedure,
it was just more tripe,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it wasn&#8217;t it just affirmed dobbs, and it made it possible to regulate the procedure,<br />
it was just more tripe,</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/03/primary-reflections-plus-joe-manchin/#comment-2635899</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2022 18:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Frederick:

Unless I&#039;m misunderstanding the Kansas vote - and I suppose it&#039;s possible that I am - a possible ban on abortion was indirectly involved, by implication.  In other words, keeping the right to abortion in the constitution bans a ban on abortion, until the constitution is amended to allow otherwise.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frederick:</p>
<p>Unless I&#8217;m misunderstanding the Kansas vote &#8211; and I suppose it&#8217;s possible that I am &#8211; a possible ban on abortion was indirectly involved, by implication.  In other words, keeping the right to abortion in the constitution bans a ban on abortion, until the constitution is amended to allow otherwise.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/03/primary-reflections-plus-joe-manchin/#comment-2635893</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2022 17:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[manchin was the long ago protege of gauleteir william byrd, his daughter is the ceo of mylan, whose critically necessary epipen was gauged up to outrageous levels, a life and death choice for tens of thousands,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>manchin was the long ago protege of gauleteir william byrd, his daughter is the ceo of mylan, whose critically necessary epipen was gauged up to outrageous levels, a life and death choice for tens of thousands,</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/03/primary-reflections-plus-joe-manchin/#comment-2635891</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2022 17:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[so Iraq was a theatre of choice, now the Gulf War in retrospect really was ill advised, who benefited from it, the Saudis and Kuwait, had the king taken up Bin Laden on his offer, we would have been rid of AQ in short order, the Kurds and the Shia certainly didn&#039;t benefit, the latter became more sympathetic to Iran,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so Iraq was a theatre of choice, now the Gulf War in retrospect really was ill advised, who benefited from it, the Saudis and Kuwait, had the king taken up Bin Laden on his offer, we would have been rid of AQ in short order, the Kurds and the Shia certainly didn&#8217;t benefit, the latter became more sympathetic to Iran,</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/03/primary-reflections-plus-joe-manchin/#comment-2635887</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2022 17:02:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[LIz Chenney is doing the bidding of the Dems so BFD.  I seriously doubt there are enough Dems in Wyoming to make any difference for Crazy Lizzy if every single one switched to vote in the Republican primary.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LIz Chenney is doing the bidding of the Dems so BFD.  I seriously doubt there are enough Dems in Wyoming to make any difference for Crazy Lizzy if every single one switched to vote in the Republican primary.</p>
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		By: buddhaha		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/03/primary-reflections-plus-joe-manchin/#comment-2635885</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[buddhaha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2022 16:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;can Hageman still run (via write-in ballots) in the Nov. election...?&quot;

Going by the recent history of elections with a strong third party, that would pretty much guarentee a D win.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;can Hageman still run (via write-in ballots) in the Nov. election&#8230;?&#8221;</p>
<p>Going by the recent history of elections with a strong third party, that would pretty much guarentee a D win.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/08/03/primary-reflections-plus-joe-manchin/#comment-2635864</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2022 14:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[...Nonetheless, while I&#039;m inclined to agree with Huxley @7:24 p.m., there&#039;s an extremely foul odor wafting about Manchin&#039;s decision....
&quot;Not so green? Dems offer to push Manchin&#039;s pipeline to secure his support for $739B climate plan&quot;---
https://justthenews.com/government/congress/democrats-offer-support-manchins-pipeline-secure-his-support-climate

...A rank and putrid &quot;odor&quot; from which the entire country---AND ITS FUTURE---is downwind.

A distinct &quot;odor&quot; of ethical decay...of moral corruption...of warped and twisted compromise....

Of nothing good.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;Nonetheless, while I&#8217;m inclined to agree with Huxley @7:24 p.m., there&#8217;s an extremely foul odor wafting about Manchin&#8217;s decision&#8230;.<br />
&#8220;Not so green? Dems offer to push Manchin&#8217;s pipeline to secure his support for $739B climate plan&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://justthenews.com/government/congress/democrats-offer-support-manchins-pipeline-secure-his-support-climate" rel="nofollow ugc">https://justthenews.com/government/congress/democrats-offer-support-manchins-pipeline-secure-his-support-climate</a></p>
<p>&#8230;A rank and putrid &#8220;odor&#8221; from which the entire country&#8212;AND ITS FUTURE&#8212;is downwind.</p>
<p>A distinct &#8220;odor&#8221; of ethical decay&#8230;of moral corruption&#8230;of warped and twisted compromise&#8230;.</p>
<p>Of nothing good.</p>
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