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		By: M Smith		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/29/how-the-media-polarized-us/#comment-2635231</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Aug 2022 01:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Carl Bernstein was a &quot;red diaper baby.&quot;  Others who started at the bottom might be liberals and Democrats, but  weren&#039;t so dogmatically left wing.  I suspect the big change came when younger reporters who would have hated Johnson and Humphrey in the old days realized that from the nineties or so on, all their enemies would be Republicans.  The lack of ideological diversity in the parties encouraged partisanship among journalists.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl Bernstein was a &#8220;red diaper baby.&#8221;  Others who started at the bottom might be liberals and Democrats, but  weren&#8217;t so dogmatically left wing.  I suspect the big change came when younger reporters who would have hated Johnson and Humphrey in the old days realized that from the nineties or so on, all their enemies would be Republicans.  The lack of ideological diversity in the parties encouraged partisanship among journalists.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/29/how-the-media-polarized-us/#comment-2635208</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 16:26:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[vindman was the cover up man for the steal, that involved privat bank, which lost billions of our tax dollars, who&#039;s head also owned burisma, which employed hunter, burisma is deep in the clean energy scam,

as for strzok, besides his norman bates mien, is just a guy who takes credit for other&#039;s work, puteyev ran the chapman ring, (he&#039;s the jeremy irons character in red sparrow) and he was a walk in, yet they still almost let them get away, other soviet agents like dobbins had the run of the place, and apparently this new cell leader, they recently discovered, which were sleepers, but he went after carter page and general flynn, lying about whistleblower lokhova,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>vindman was the cover up man for the steal, that involved privat bank, which lost billions of our tax dollars, who&#8217;s head also owned burisma, which employed hunter, burisma is deep in the clean energy scam,</p>
<p>as for strzok, besides his norman bates mien, is just a guy who takes credit for other&#8217;s work, puteyev ran the chapman ring, (he&#8217;s the jeremy irons character in red sparrow) and he was a walk in, yet they still almost let them get away, other soviet agents like dobbins had the run of the place, and apparently this new cell leader, they recently discovered, which were sleepers, but he went after carter page and general flynn, lying about whistleblower lokhova,</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/29/how-the-media-polarized-us/#comment-2635207</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 16:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Art, the way I see things, Vindman, Strozk and their ilk weren’t high enough to be perceived and respected as policy/decision-makers by the rest of us. We perceived them only when others pulled them into the public spotlight. That is my definition of “low-level”. Low enough that their positions couldn’t honestly cash the checks their egos were writing.&lt;/i&gt;

About 2% of U.S. Army personnel outranked Alexander Vindman at the time of his retirement.  Vindman fancied &#039;the Interagency&#039; made policy and not the president, and took to scheming to undermine his boss. He merited harsher punishment than he received.  He was mustered out, as are half those occupying the rank of Lt. Colonel.  Peter Sztrok is a much more sinister character.  A trial lawyer of my acquaintance watching his performance in front of Congress said in more than four decades of questioning witnesses in criminal and civil trials, he had never seen such snide and condescending behavior.  He did injury to private citizens.  He deserves criminal prosecution.  

These men were not low level.  Had they been, they would be less trouble.  Miles Taylor was low level.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Art, the way I see things, Vindman, Strozk and their ilk weren’t high enough to be perceived and respected as policy/decision-makers by the rest of us. We perceived them only when others pulled them into the public spotlight. That is my definition of “low-level”. Low enough that their positions couldn’t honestly cash the checks their egos were writing.</i></p>
<p>About 2% of U.S. Army personnel outranked Alexander Vindman at the time of his retirement.  Vindman fancied &#8216;the Interagency&#8217; made policy and not the president, and took to scheming to undermine his boss. He merited harsher punishment than he received.  He was mustered out, as are half those occupying the rank of Lt. Colonel.  Peter Sztrok is a much more sinister character.  A trial lawyer of my acquaintance watching his performance in front of Congress said in more than four decades of questioning witnesses in criminal and civil trials, he had never seen such snide and condescending behavior.  He did injury to private citizens.  He deserves criminal prosecution.  </p>
<p>These men were not low level.  Had they been, they would be less trouble.  Miles Taylor was low level.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/29/how-the-media-polarized-us/#comment-2635202</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 15:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[gore is his own lord fauntleroy, but kerry has been a traitor in south asia in central america, and the middle east, most recently with iran,
 recall the winter soldiers were pushing dezinforma like war crimes, the action arm was part of an insurrectionary plot to asssasinate senators like stennis, gerald nicosia pointed that part out, then all his papers were stolen,
in central america he was a tool of the sandinistas, spreading any lie, he was cooperating with the christics, that gary webb took the ball and ran with, preventing the work of rick prado with the nicaraguan resistance, who had to fight with a shoe string budget, not the tens of billions we are lavishing on the ukraine,

similarly in afghanistan and iraq, he carried taliban and al queda propaganda, against our troops old habits die hard,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gore is his own lord fauntleroy, but kerry has been a traitor in south asia in central america, and the middle east, most recently with iran,<br />
 recall the winter soldiers were pushing dezinforma like war crimes, the action arm was part of an insurrectionary plot to asssasinate senators like stennis, gerald nicosia pointed that part out, then all his papers were stolen,<br />
in central america he was a tool of the sandinistas, spreading any lie, he was cooperating with the christics, that gary webb took the ball and ran with, preventing the work of rick prado with the nicaraguan resistance, who had to fight with a shoe string budget, not the tens of billions we are lavishing on the ukraine,</p>
<p>similarly in afghanistan and iraq, he carried taliban and al queda propaganda, against our troops old habits die hard,</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 15:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It has always been pretty obvious that John Kerry and Al Gore fit that description quite well. I didn’t realize there were so many a**holes in the world.&lt;/i&gt;

Around about 1985, Michael Kinsley offered that in Washington, an official&#039;s reputation tends to expand - like a gas - to fill whatever office he occupies.  That&#039;s John Kerry.  Kerry is notable, like all members of Congress, at being able to run fundraising and publicity campaigns.  However, he&#039;s a &lt;i&gt;Democratic&lt;/i&gt; Senator from Massachusetts.  Democratic Senators in Massachusetts have, since the end of the Great War, been re-elected &#062; 90% of the time (while Republican Senators are returned to office about 50% of the time).  He won a tough primary elections in 1982 and 1984; none of his subsequent campaigns were challenging and three of them were walks.  Prior to getting elected Lt. Governor on a ticket with Michael Dukakis, he practiced law in a two-lawyer firm.  His partner (who was also his sometime girlfriend) eventually quit practicing when she landed a judicial appointment.  Prior to that, he&#039;d been employed in the district attorney&#039;s office.  His duties were largely administrative and the DA got tired of him after a while and fired him.  Prior to that, he was a student at BC law school; not one of the more capable it emerged when his transcript leaked.  Prior to that he was in the Navy, on active duty for three years.  Not much wrong with his Navy service that should interest anyone.  It&#039;s just that he built his entire public persona on those three years - more precisely, on a four month combat posting to the Mekong Delta.  He was awarded a mess of metals for unimportant things and sent home early.  I&#039;ve known a few combat veterans.  They didn&#039;t make much of it.  My mother&#039;s observation of her contemporaries who&#039;d been in combat (WWii and Korea) was that they&#039;d start to tell a story and then come to a dead stop in the middle of it.  Kerry made use of his boatmates as campaign props.  

So, who is John Kerry? Well, there are people who know him who think well of him and people who do not.  To the rest of us, he&#039;s a high class blowhard, a mediocre lawyer, and has an astonishing nose for women with eight-figure sums of money behind them.  

As for Al Gore, he&#039;s the beneficiary of one of the odder features of American politics - brand loyalty.  He was a newspaper reporter and serial grad school dropout who got elected to Congress as his father had previously represented that district.  It was his association with Bilge Clinton that cost him his reputation in Tennessee.  He&#039;s gotten very wealthy since his retirement from politics, benefiting from the willingness of businessmen in regulated sectors to make the actuarial calculation that their target pol might one day be able to do them a favor.  

They have six children between them, all of whom had a tony education, and, one might surmise, benefited from the starfu*ker tendency among college admissions officers.   One of the six is impressive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It has always been pretty obvious that John Kerry and Al Gore fit that description quite well. I didn’t realize there were so many a**holes in the world.</i></p>
<p>Around about 1985, Michael Kinsley offered that in Washington, an official&#8217;s reputation tends to expand &#8211; like a gas &#8211; to fill whatever office he occupies.  That&#8217;s John Kerry.  Kerry is notable, like all members of Congress, at being able to run fundraising and publicity campaigns.  However, he&#8217;s a <i>Democratic</i> Senator from Massachusetts.  Democratic Senators in Massachusetts have, since the end of the Great War, been re-elected &gt; 90% of the time (while Republican Senators are returned to office about 50% of the time).  He won a tough primary elections in 1982 and 1984; none of his subsequent campaigns were challenging and three of them were walks.  Prior to getting elected Lt. Governor on a ticket with Michael Dukakis, he practiced law in a two-lawyer firm.  His partner (who was also his sometime girlfriend) eventually quit practicing when she landed a judicial appointment.  Prior to that, he&#8217;d been employed in the district attorney&#8217;s office.  His duties were largely administrative and the DA got tired of him after a while and fired him.  Prior to that, he was a student at BC law school; not one of the more capable it emerged when his transcript leaked.  Prior to that he was in the Navy, on active duty for three years.  Not much wrong with his Navy service that should interest anyone.  It&#8217;s just that he built his entire public persona on those three years &#8211; more precisely, on a four month combat posting to the Mekong Delta.  He was awarded a mess of metals for unimportant things and sent home early.  I&#8217;ve known a few combat veterans.  They didn&#8217;t make much of it.  My mother&#8217;s observation of her contemporaries who&#8217;d been in combat (WWii and Korea) was that they&#8217;d start to tell a story and then come to a dead stop in the middle of it.  Kerry made use of his boatmates as campaign props.  </p>
<p>So, who is John Kerry? Well, there are people who know him who think well of him and people who do not.  To the rest of us, he&#8217;s a high class blowhard, a mediocre lawyer, and has an astonishing nose for women with eight-figure sums of money behind them.  </p>
<p>As for Al Gore, he&#8217;s the beneficiary of one of the odder features of American politics &#8211; brand loyalty.  He was a newspaper reporter and serial grad school dropout who got elected to Congress as his father had previously represented that district.  It was his association with Bilge Clinton that cost him his reputation in Tennessee.  He&#8217;s gotten very wealthy since his retirement from politics, benefiting from the willingness of businessmen in regulated sectors to make the actuarial calculation that their target pol might one day be able to do them a favor.  </p>
<p>They have six children between them, all of whom had a tony education, and, one might surmise, benefited from the starfu*ker tendency among college admissions officers.   One of the six is impressive.</p>
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		By: Jester Naybor		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art, the way I see things, Vindman, Strozk and their ilk weren&#039;t high enough to be perceived and respected as policy/decision-makers by the rest of us.  We perceived them only when others pulled them into the public spotlight.

That is my definition of &quot;low-level&quot;.  Low enough that their positions couldn&#039;t honestly cash the checks their egos were writing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art, the way I see things, Vindman, Strozk and their ilk weren&#8217;t high enough to be perceived and respected as policy/decision-makers by the rest of us.  We perceived them only when others pulled them into the public spotlight.</p>
<p>That is my definition of &#8220;low-level&#8221;.  Low enough that their positions couldn&#8217;t honestly cash the checks their egos were writing.</p>
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		By: Jester Naybor		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jester Naybor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Richard, when they* are enduring the consequences of the policies and people that they supported, sooner or later asking that question will have them realizing that they are living in a state of cognitive dissonance that is making them look like fools.

And they don&#039;t like looking like fools.

&lt;em&gt;*Ordinary people will come around to this faster, compared to those who have invested heavily in the pursuit of elite status.  The latter may not come around until they are overtaken by events and their investment becomes worthless.&lt;/em&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard, when they* are enduring the consequences of the policies and people that they supported, sooner or later asking that question will have them realizing that they are living in a state of cognitive dissonance that is making them look like fools.</p>
<p>And they don&#8217;t like looking like fools.</p>
<p><em>*Ordinary people will come around to this faster, compared to those who have invested heavily in the pursuit of elite status.  The latter may not come around until they are overtaken by events and their investment becomes worthless.</em></p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 14:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;from lower-level staffers/bureaucrats/functionaries like Vindman and Strozk, through the Kerrys and Gores and Congress and Cabinet, right up to the current Big Guy himself.&lt;/i&gt;

Vindman and Sztrok were high-level functionaries.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>from lower-level staffers/bureaucrats/functionaries like Vindman and Strozk, through the Kerrys and Gores and Congress and Cabinet, right up to the current Big Guy himself.</i></p>
<p>Vindman and Sztrok were high-level functionaries.</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 13:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley: I still give a rip about poetry too, and not in a professional/academic capacity. Philip Larkin&#039;s collected poems usually makes it into my briefcase when I travel. Or Richard Wilbur&#039;s. Or Frost&#039;s. I like to remind myself that another world existed not too long ago.

Trad poetry is still being written. We discussed Dana Gioia on this forum a while back. Check out A. M. Juster&#039;s (real name: Michael J. Astrue) work: https://www.amjuster.net/. Interesting factoid: Astrue was a government bureaucrat (commissioner of the Social Security Administration, 2007-2013).

Deco: you&#039;re probably right about poetry being a niche taste, although you might be surprised by some of the places where it still pops up.

&quot;...Since someone will forever be surprising
A hunger in himself to be more serious,
And gravitating with it to this ground,
Which, he once heard, was proper to grow wise in,
If only that so many dead lie round.&quot;

(Larkin, &quot;Church Going&quot;)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley: I still give a rip about poetry too, and not in a professional/academic capacity. Philip Larkin&#8217;s collected poems usually makes it into my briefcase when I travel. Or Richard Wilbur&#8217;s. Or Frost&#8217;s. I like to remind myself that another world existed not too long ago.</p>
<p>Trad poetry is still being written. We discussed Dana Gioia on this forum a while back. Check out A. M. Juster&#8217;s (real name: Michael J. Astrue) work: <a href="https://www.amjuster.net/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.amjuster.net/</a>. Interesting factoid: Astrue was a government bureaucrat (commissioner of the Social Security Administration, 2007-2013).</p>
<p>Deco: you&#8217;re probably right about poetry being a niche taste, although you might be surprised by some of the places where it still pops up.</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;Since someone will forever be surprising<br />
A hunger in himself to be more serious,<br />
And gravitating with it to this ground,<br />
Which, he once heard, was proper to grow wise in,<br />
If only that so many dead lie round.&#8221;</p>
<p>(Larkin, &#8220;Church Going&#8221;)</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jul 2022 12:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jester.  To ask those I know that sort of question would be fruitless. They glory in unquestioned compliance. The Order of the day is Science and to question it removes any reason to make people do stupid stuff.
When the Science. from above changes, it disappears retroactively, except anyone mentioning it is subversive.
You presume these people think rationally. They do not. They support the thinking necessary to feel superior to the rest of us. And to have a God-like regime in charge.
Remember the ads about &quot;Why did you get vaccinated?&quot;  They did not happen, citizen.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jester.  To ask those I know that sort of question would be fruitless. They glory in unquestioned compliance. The Order of the day is Science and to question it removes any reason to make people do stupid stuff.<br />
When the Science. from above changes, it disappears retroactively, except anyone mentioning it is subversive.<br />
You presume these people think rationally. They do not. They support the thinking necessary to feel superior to the rest of us. And to have a God-like regime in charge.<br />
Remember the ads about &#8220;Why did you get vaccinated?&#8221;  They did not happen, citizen.</p>
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