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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/26/on-puberty-blockers-for-children-with-gender-dysphoria/#comment-2634759</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2022 16:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;i&gt;@neo said “I’m just glad it was less confusing back then, or I believe I would have had an even harder time.”

Puberty wasn’t much less confusing back then, there just wasn’t reinforcement for the confusion. We weren’t bombarded with things like “how you feel is what you are”

How you feel is just how you feel, not what or who you are.

You have to wonder how much the whole self-esteem drive in schools, aka participation trophies, have to do with what we are seeing.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 

Everything, &quot;Duh&quot;. 

This is just the &quot;making kids feel &#039;better&#039;, regardless of whether this harms or helps them&quot; that is inherent in the whole of &quot;Mommy Mommy Mommy!&quot; PostModern Liberalism.

It is the result of the complete rejection of the Paternal influence on child development in favor of absolute elevation of the Maternal influence.

And to any rational person, is just as bad, just as wrongful -- morally, ethically, rationally -- as the opposition is/was supposed to be (I doubt if it was ever as Paternal as is usually argued, but it is probably not unreasonable to ack that it was Paternally dominant until the 1960s)

What&#039;s needed is an acknowledgement of the simply fact that both have value to the raising of a child. The result of raising a child with only Maternal influences is deleterious almost always (I am one of a limited number of exceptions, but my single mother was always more rational and sensible, and did not resist discipline-when-called-for -- and even there, looking back, I can see places where some paternal discipline and oversight would likely have served me better than her approach). 

We need to back off the swing of the pendulum to the opposite end and stop the pendulum around the middle and just let it &quot;sit&quot; there, swinging no more, with society encouraging both maternal and paternal forces in child rearing.

My own suspicion is that the maternal should be more dominant through to about 6-8, balanced from 6/8 to 12/13, and then more paternally dominant as they are prepared to become adults. 

Note that &quot;more dominant&quot; doesn&#039;t mean absolute or even close. we&#039;re talking maybe 60-40 or 70-30, somewhere in that range. Even young children benefit from order and discipline as well as nurturing and support. And that does not exclude paternally supporting, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> <i>@neo said “I’m just glad it was less confusing back then, or I believe I would have had an even harder time.”</p>
<p>Puberty wasn’t much less confusing back then, there just wasn’t reinforcement for the confusion. We weren’t bombarded with things like “how you feel is what you are”</p>
<p>How you feel is just how you feel, not what or who you are.</p>
<p>You have to wonder how much the whole self-esteem drive in schools, aka participation trophies, have to do with what we are seeing.</i></p></blockquote>
<p>Everything, &#8220;Duh&#8221;. </p>
<p>This is just the &#8220;making kids feel &#8216;better&#8217;, regardless of whether this harms or helps them&#8221; that is inherent in the whole of &#8220;Mommy Mommy Mommy!&#8221; PostModern Liberalism.</p>
<p>It is the result of the complete rejection of the Paternal influence on child development in favor of absolute elevation of the Maternal influence.</p>
<p>And to any rational person, is just as bad, just as wrongful &#8212; morally, ethically, rationally &#8212; as the opposition is/was supposed to be (I doubt if it was ever as Paternal as is usually argued, but it is probably not unreasonable to ack that it was Paternally dominant until the 1960s)</p>
<p>What&#8217;s needed is an acknowledgement of the simply fact that both have value to the raising of a child. The result of raising a child with only Maternal influences is deleterious almost always (I am one of a limited number of exceptions, but my single mother was always more rational and sensible, and did not resist discipline-when-called-for &#8212; and even there, looking back, I can see places where some paternal discipline and oversight would likely have served me better than her approach). </p>
<p>We need to back off the swing of the pendulum to the opposite end and stop the pendulum around the middle and just let it &#8220;sit&#8221; there, swinging no more, with society encouraging both maternal and paternal forces in child rearing.</p>
<p>My own suspicion is that the maternal should be more dominant through to about 6-8, balanced from 6/8 to 12/13, and then more paternally dominant as they are prepared to become adults. </p>
<p>Note that &#8220;more dominant&#8221; doesn&#8217;t mean absolute or even close. we&#8217;re talking maybe 60-40 or 70-30, somewhere in that range. Even young children benefit from order and discipline as well as nurturing and support. And that does not exclude paternally supporting, too.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/26/on-puberty-blockers-for-children-with-gender-dysphoria/#comment-2634756</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2022 16:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;Sex is genetic: male and female. Gender is sex-correlated attributes (e.g. sexual orientation): masculine and feminine, respectively. Homosexuals are transgender but ostensibly “stable” compared to others in the transgender spectrum. So-called “transgenders” are either trans/neo, trans/pseudo, trans/quasi, etc. who are subject to surgical, medical, psychiatric, or social corruption in order to simulate, stimulate an alternate gender. Trans- refers to a state or process of divergence from normal.&lt;/i&gt;

Translation:
&quot;They are all confused as fuck about their sexuality&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>Sex is genetic: male and female. Gender is sex-correlated attributes (e.g. sexual orientation): masculine and feminine, respectively. Homosexuals are transgender but ostensibly “stable” compared to others in the transgender spectrum. So-called “transgenders” are either trans/neo, trans/pseudo, trans/quasi, etc. who are subject to surgical, medical, psychiatric, or social corruption in order to simulate, stimulate an alternate gender. Trans- refers to a state or process of divergence from normal.</i></p>
<p>Translation:<br />
&#8220;They are all confused as fuck about their sexuality&#8221;.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/26/on-puberty-blockers-for-children-with-gender-dysphoria/#comment-2634752</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2022 16:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;Everything they promote is about not having children… duh…&lt;/i&gt;

No, it&#039;s not merely THAT, dude. 

THIS one is about rendering CHILDREN &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;incapable&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; of reproducing before they have any reasonable notion of it.

This is beyond pernicious, as it takes away the capacity for parenthood before the children even gain any concept of adulthood at all.

The parents who allow this should be lined up against a wall and SHOT. As should everyone who advocates or performs these activities. 

Not planning on acting on that notion, but I should not be on a jury trying anyone who has acted on it. I would turn them in if I knew they&#039;d done it, but would not find myself necessarily able to convict if put in judgement.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>Everything they promote is about not having children… duh…</i></p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not merely THAT, dude. </p>
<p>THIS one is about rendering CHILDREN <b><i>incapable</i></b> of reproducing before they have any reasonable notion of it.</p>
<p>This is beyond pernicious, as it takes away the capacity for parenthood before the children even gain any concept of adulthood at all.</p>
<p>The parents who allow this should be lined up against a wall and SHOT. As should everyone who advocates or performs these activities. </p>
<p>Not planning on acting on that notion, but I should not be on a jury trying anyone who has acted on it. I would turn them in if I knew they&#8217;d done it, but would not find myself necessarily able to convict if put in judgement.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2022 16:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;I doubt many of the doctors pushing gender reassignment come from the Harvard Medical School end of the spectrum.&lt;/i&gt;

Sorry, and I may be wrong, but this seems like &lt;b&gt;&lt;i&gt;exactly&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; the kind of insane nutwittery that I would expect a Haaa&#039;vaad grad to support.

I respect the technical (engineering, science) graduates of places like Harvard, but not the softer stuff -- anything less than chemistry and engineering in terms of rigor should be assumed to be a font of liberal insanity.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>I doubt many of the doctors pushing gender reassignment come from the Harvard Medical School end of the spectrum.</i></p>
<p>Sorry, and I may be wrong, but this seems like <b><i>exactly</i></b> the kind of insane nutwittery that I would expect a Haaa&#8217;vaad grad to support.</p>
<p>I respect the technical (engineering, science) graduates of places like Harvard, but not the softer stuff &#8212; anything less than chemistry and engineering in terms of rigor should be assumed to be a font of liberal insanity.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2022 12:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related:
&quot;NHS [UK National Health Service] will SHUT its controversial Tavistock transgender clinic after damning report found it rushed teens onto lifechanging puberty blocking drugs&quot;---
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11057813/Controversial-NHS-child-gender-clinic-shut-damning-report.html]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related:<br />
&#8220;NHS [UK National Health Service] will SHUT its controversial Tavistock transgender clinic after damning report found it rushed teens onto lifechanging puberty blocking drugs&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11057813/Controversial-NHS-child-gender-clinic-shut-damning-report.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11057813/Controversial-NHS-child-gender-clinic-shut-damning-report.html</a></p>
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		By: zenman		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/26/on-puberty-blockers-for-children-with-gender-dysphoria/#comment-2634729</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jul 2022 12:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@neo said &quot;I’m just glad it was less confusing back then, or I believe I would have had an even harder time.&quot;

Puberty wasn&#039;t much less confusing back then, there just wasn&#039;t reinforcement for the confusion. We weren&#039;t bombarded with things like &quot;how you feel is what you are&quot;  

How you feel is just how you feel, not what or who you are.

You have to wonder how much the whole self-esteem drive in schools, aka participation trophies, have to do with what we are seeing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@neo said &#8220;I’m just glad it was less confusing back then, or I believe I would have had an even harder time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Puberty wasn&#8217;t much less confusing back then, there just wasn&#8217;t reinforcement for the confusion. We weren&#8217;t bombarded with things like &#8220;how you feel is what you are&#8221;  </p>
<p>How you feel is just how you feel, not what or who you are.</p>
<p>You have to wonder how much the whole self-esteem drive in schools, aka participation trophies, have to do with what we are seeing.</p>
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		By: Cicero		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2022 22:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco,
You are entirely correct.
As a triple Board-certified MD (permanent, not the every ten years extorted from MDs now by the American Board of Internal Medicine, and presumably other Boards, at considerable expense for useless tests) who graduated in 1967, I went thru 3 years of every-other-night in-hospital on call plus an extra three of training that had only nominal on-call, it is clear to me now as a patient how badly the ethics of medicine have declined. 
As hospital systems get larger and larger, their bureaucracies enlarge apace, and no one in such position gives a fig for how well or badly a patient is served.
Hospitals now hire a majority of MDs finishing specialty training. The FDA decides which off-label uses for drugs are  OK and which are not.
You think MDs are still independent? 
And medical schools now favor admitting &quot;people of color&quot; and teach CRT.
Drones, not physicians, are being created. 
The day when I, as medical director of the group I founded, insisted that we would treat all comers regardless of compensation are long dead. We taxpaying docs at that time provided more free care yearly than our local 250 bed non-profit Catholic hospital!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco,<br />
You are entirely correct.<br />
As a triple Board-certified MD (permanent, not the every ten years extorted from MDs now by the American Board of Internal Medicine, and presumably other Boards, at considerable expense for useless tests) who graduated in 1967, I went thru 3 years of every-other-night in-hospital on call plus an extra three of training that had only nominal on-call, it is clear to me now as a patient how badly the ethics of medicine have declined.<br />
As hospital systems get larger and larger, their bureaucracies enlarge apace, and no one in such position gives a fig for how well or badly a patient is served.<br />
Hospitals now hire a majority of MDs finishing specialty training. The FDA decides which off-label uses for drugs are  OK and which are not.<br />
You think MDs are still independent?<br />
And medical schools now favor admitting &#8220;people of color&#8221; and teach CRT.<br />
Drones, not physicians, are being created.<br />
The day when I, as medical director of the group I founded, insisted that we would treat all comers regardless of compensation are long dead. We taxpaying docs at that time provided more free care yearly than our local 250 bed non-profit Catholic hospital!</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/26/on-puberty-blockers-for-children-with-gender-dysphoria/#comment-2634651</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Everything they promote is about not having children… duh…&lt;/i&gt;

Securing capital and control... single/central/monopolistic behaviors.  What better way than to normalize social dysfunction, sex ambiguity and gender dysphoria, and the wicked solution to relieve &quot;burdens&quot;.  Pride parades less the lions, lionesses, and their unPlanned cubs playing in gay jubilee.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Everything they promote is about not having children… duh…</i></p>
<p>Securing capital and control&#8230; single/central/monopolistic behaviors.  What better way than to normalize social dysfunction, sex ambiguity and gender dysphoria, and the wicked solution to relieve &#8220;burdens&#8221;.  Pride parades less the lions, lionesses, and their unPlanned cubs playing in gay jubilee.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/26/on-puberty-blockers-for-children-with-gender-dysphoria/#comment-2634649</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2022 21:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re right.  The technical use changed around the mid-twentieth century, backed by new generations of experts.  The popular use changed some decades later, backed by new generations of social figures.  The disparities progressed with appropriation of words including &quot;gay&quot;, &quot;lesbian&quot;, etc. to socially distance homosexuals from others in the transgender spectrum.  The same process was followed to normalize elective abortion, diversity [dogma], Green technology, liberalism, etc., and to simultaneously degrade, adapt, or recharacterize other concepts, history, etc.  Accept one and all &quot;equally&quot;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right.  The technical use changed around the mid-twentieth century, backed by new generations of experts.  The popular use changed some decades later, backed by new generations of social figures.  The disparities progressed with appropriation of words including &#8220;gay&#8221;, &#8220;lesbian&#8221;, etc. to socially distance homosexuals from others in the transgender spectrum.  The same process was followed to normalize elective abortion, diversity [dogma], Green technology, liberalism, etc., and to simultaneously degrade, adapt, or recharacterize other concepts, history, etc.  Accept one and all &#8220;equally&#8221;.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jul 2022 19:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Artfldgr @ 11:12am,

I have noticed that trend also.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Artfldgr @ 11:12am,</p>
<p>I have noticed that trend also.</p>
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