The door was closed and the perp was in the room, shooting through the door and the walls. A teacher and a student in one of the other rooms (I believe it was Room 209) were shot through the walls and injured. The walls were made of cinderblock type material and shots go through them. The officers were shot that way, as well – through the closed door and/or through the wall.

I had already watched the video you’re speaking about, in slow motion, as well as some from bodycams. I also watched the entire 11-hour presentation to the Texas Senate and read the entire 77-page House report, as well as the entire ALERTT report.

Regarding those officers (this is from page 51 of the House report, as footnote 157):

ALERRT, Robb Elementary School Attack Response Assessment and Recommendations (July 6, 2022) (stating that Lt. Martinez and Ssgt. Canales were hit by “building material fragments caused by the suspect’s rounds passing through the walls,” citing “Investigating Officer Interview” and “Internal School Surveillance”).

There really is no disagreement or controversy about that. They never could see the perp until the final breach and killing, and the door was closed the entire time. The real question is whether it was locked.

at 7:40 you can see them enter the hallway
[there is body cam i cant find]

by 7:54 they are right up to the doorway…

8:38 they move suddenly switching locations (watch the detective)
they immediately run…
and the guy that moved to see into the doorway (the detective)
was and is rubbing the top of his head..
he thought he may have been shot…
he keeps checking his head and asking the other…

at 9:00 he feels his head again…
at 9:08 looks at his hand to see if it has blood
he goes back down the hallway

he is not acting like the door is closed
and at 10:22 in the lower right hand corner you have a man with a gun, squatting.. he is 15 feet around the corner… what is he squatting for? the speedy gonzolas run fighter? the nice thing is how he keeps pointing it towards the other officers!!!!!!!!

at around 10:50 he moves back…
(probably sayin the door is closed now)

also, blurring was added to the video…
you can see it if you compare images from the open hall in the begginning and watch how they change…

ALSO… and i think this is the reason for the blurs
you note the level of light changes in front of the door..
ie. really bright when the guy is there, then darker after the shots

like the light was coming out of the class, and then not so much

if i cared a whit i would download and could isolate that part and show how the ligh in the vid is changin as is the quality of the image down the hall…

https://www.aljazeera.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/2022-07-13T015828Z_1697323331_RC2LAV9XIN2H_RTRMADP_3_TEXAS-SHOOTING.jpg?resize=770%2C513

I cant find that video that is the image source.. and the police body cams either

but if you look, this is before the sheild arrives..
the two officers are at the door…
when a shot rings out, one thinks he is shot grazing in the head

he would not think that if the door was closed and it did not splinter if he shot through it…

Every report has said this plus the video confirms it. One Texas legislator misunderstood and got it wrong. Perhaps you heard that person?

I SAW THE VIDEO…
WHat was the cop running from when they shot at him when he got to the door? flies?

there is a video that was released later..
they went up to the door..
they were shot at and ran when they looked in

then there is the people who didnt bother to watch him in the class and move kids out of all the other classes, etc.

its a clown show
BUT I SAW THE VIDEO OF THE FIRST ENCOUNTER
not later when they have a shield…

then agin
i am tired of apologists..
very much so

after all, that was rock candy bidens son was weighing with the geisha

Thanks for the info.

So, the mall was emptying out at the time, likely had less people there than say hours earlier.

No, there was nothing illegal going on here regarding firearms possession in the mall and I’m getting quite tired of people confusing regulation and law and inapropriately mis-using the term “illegal” to connote some major moral sin.

Simon Properties designated the mall a gun free zone; carrying a firearm onto the property may have violated Simon Properties’ own rule, but it violated no law (passed by a legislature). Quite to the contrary, the Indiana Legislature had recently passed consitutional carry.

In fact, this distinction between law and regulation was precisely what the decisions in West Virginia v. EPA and Jarkesy v SEC were about. Government regulations are not laws and neither are regulations set by private parties. Disobeying them is not an illegality.

You can visit me while wearing a firearm. I can ask you to surrender your firearm while you are visiting or leave. If you don’t leave, I can have you arrested for trespassing but I can’t have you arrested for illegally carrying a firearm in my house; you broke my personal rule, but my personal rule is not a law.

Do all the above while remembering, NEVER PUT YOUR FINGER ON THE TRIGGER!

The other thing to comprehend is that even a loaded pistol that is ready to fire requires the trigger to be pulled. It won’t fire all by itself. So maybe you do nothing until someone who knows what to do comes along.

Good luck, we’re all counting on you.

Still, I’m picturing fifty yards of mall emptying of people fast enough for this to go down.