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		By: Miss Mary		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jul 2022 03:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I grew up in houses with whole-house fans, and my parents&#039; house did not have AC until I was 14 years old. Now, my husband and I live at 6900 ft. above sea level in northern NM. There is no furnace and no ductwork, just electric baseboard heat with a thermostat and heater in each room on the main floor. We use a whole-house fan. Sometimes if there is cloud cover the outside temp does not get cooler than the temp in the house until 9:00 PM, but the outside air is so much dryer than the inside air that we often turn the fan on anyway at around 8:00. We run it all night and it cools off the whole house. To install the whole-house fan in this 40-year-old house cost about one tenth of what it would have cost to install AC, and the fan is not expensive to run.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I grew up in houses with whole-house fans, and my parents&#8217; house did not have AC until I was 14 years old. Now, my husband and I live at 6900 ft. above sea level in northern NM. There is no furnace and no ductwork, just electric baseboard heat with a thermostat and heater in each room on the main floor. We use a whole-house fan. Sometimes if there is cloud cover the outside temp does not get cooler than the temp in the house until 9:00 PM, but the outside air is so much dryer than the inside air that we often turn the fan on anyway at around 8:00. We run it all night and it cools off the whole house. To install the whole-house fan in this 40-year-old house cost about one tenth of what it would have cost to install AC, and the fan is not expensive to run.</p>
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		By: Audrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 11:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was a baby nurse in the early 90s, the oldest nurses in the Texas L&#038;D where I worked would tell tales of pregnant patients faking labor just so they could be in the hospital AC for a couple of hours. 

I grew up in SoCal and CO and we never had AC but I don’t remember being uncomfortable. I moved to the South after AC so have never been uncomfortable here either. Spoiled a bit, I guess.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was a baby nurse in the early 90s, the oldest nurses in the Texas L&amp;D where I worked would tell tales of pregnant patients faking labor just so they could be in the hospital AC for a couple of hours. </p>
<p>I grew up in SoCal and CO and we never had AC but I don’t remember being uncomfortable. I moved to the South after AC so have never been uncomfortable here either. Spoiled a bit, I guess.</p>
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		By: Don L		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 11:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recall all too well, being in the boiler room of an aircraft carrier going through the Suez Canal back in &quot;53&quot; when our thermometer hanging in front of the cool air duct was registering a mere 122 degrees. The rear of the boiler was far hotter and one&#039;s lungs actually felt like they were on fire. After I got out of the navy...I took up ice fishing....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall all too well, being in the boiler room of an aircraft carrier going through the Suez Canal back in &#8220;53&#8221; when our thermometer hanging in front of the cool air duct was registering a mere 122 degrees. The rear of the boiler was far hotter and one&#8217;s lungs actually felt like they were on fire. After I got out of the navy&#8230;I took up ice fishing&#8230;.</p>
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		By: M Williams		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 06:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I attended my grandma&#039;s funeral in 1994 (she was born in 1899) and my uncle noted that the two big game changers for her were washing machines (she had four sons and a daughter) and forced air cooling.  She and my grandfather migrated from the East Texas/West Arkansas area to California&#039;s San Joaquin valley around 1927, a 10 day journey in an open car (with four kids and grandma pregnant), right out of the Grapes of Wrath.  Ended up in the southern San Joaquin, a veritable frying pan in the summer.

California&#039;s Central Valley heat at its extremes - Red Bluff/Redding in the north and Fresno/Bakersfield in the south - are about 5 degrees hotter in summer days than the middle (Sacramento area).  But the nights are much different near Sacramento.  The delta that feeds San Francisco Bay is the area&#039;s air conditioner.  In the basic shape of a folding hand fan spreading into the center of the Central Valley, a cooling breeze - called the delta breeze - magically appears at around 7-8 pm in summer, cooling things down.

I live in Davis (by Sacramento), my cousins in Bakersfield.  A typical hot summer day in Bakersfield is around 105/77, Davis 101/59.  So every day (actually we don&#039;t get the breeze in some weather patterns, and we stay warm at night, but those are maybe only 5-10 days a summer) we get a fresh reset.   Mornings can almost be cool, but the house cools down over night and A/C isn&#039;t needed until late in the day, if at all.  With long eaves and windows shut by 10am, we can get by without A/C if the temp stays below 96-97.  Above that we turn on the A/C at around 4-5pm.

And one last note.  This kind of weather pattern - where the temp drops quickly - is perfect for a whole house fan.  I need to add one.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended my grandma&#8217;s funeral in 1994 (she was born in 1899) and my uncle noted that the two big game changers for her were washing machines (she had four sons and a daughter) and forced air cooling.  She and my grandfather migrated from the East Texas/West Arkansas area to California&#8217;s San Joaquin valley around 1927, a 10 day journey in an open car (with four kids and grandma pregnant), right out of the Grapes of Wrath.  Ended up in the southern San Joaquin, a veritable frying pan in the summer.</p>
<p>California&#8217;s Central Valley heat at its extremes &#8211; Red Bluff/Redding in the north and Fresno/Bakersfield in the south &#8211; are about 5 degrees hotter in summer days than the middle (Sacramento area).  But the nights are much different near Sacramento.  The delta that feeds San Francisco Bay is the area&#8217;s air conditioner.  In the basic shape of a folding hand fan spreading into the center of the Central Valley, a cooling breeze &#8211; called the delta breeze &#8211; magically appears at around 7-8 pm in summer, cooling things down.</p>
<p>I live in Davis (by Sacramento), my cousins in Bakersfield.  A typical hot summer day in Bakersfield is around 105/77, Davis 101/59.  So every day (actually we don&#8217;t get the breeze in some weather patterns, and we stay warm at night, but those are maybe only 5-10 days a summer) we get a fresh reset.   Mornings can almost be cool, but the house cools down over night and A/C isn&#8217;t needed until late in the day, if at all.  With long eaves and windows shut by 10am, we can get by without A/C if the temp stays below 96-97.  Above that we turn on the A/C at around 4-5pm.</p>
<p>And one last note.  This kind of weather pattern &#8211; where the temp drops quickly &#8211; is perfect for a whole house fan.  I need to add one.</p>
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		By: David		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Jul 2022 02:59:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I remember when working in downtown Phoenix and you parked in the open you left windows open to prevent your windows from being blown out by expanding hot air inside the car.  Our house was three bricks thick and after they heated up in summer the swamp coolers could not cope to keep anything cool.  Celebrate when the monsoon finally got there and rain cooled cement down.  
Hailed yesterday helped a lot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember when working in downtown Phoenix and you parked in the open you left windows open to prevent your windows from being blown out by expanding hot air inside the car.  Our house was three bricks thick and after they heated up in summer the swamp coolers could not cope to keep anything cool.  Celebrate when the monsoon finally got there and rain cooled cement down.<br />
Hailed yesterday helped a lot.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 14:51:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;Those days before air conditioning...&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m livin&#039; &#039;em now. :-P

I live in FL. Days running into the 90s with humidity &#062;80%

My AC, 20y old, decided to give up the ghost. I will be getting a new unit, but trying to find a good deal, rather than just pay through the nose. But it&#039;s been &quot;fun&quot;, for sure. House temps running well above 80, probably above 85 at mid-day (I&#039;m got two thermometers AND the AC thermo, itself new, and each of them tells me a different temperature. :-/ Go figure.) Cools back down at night as the exterior temp goes below 80 and i open the windows.

I remember the 60s and the 70s once again. What Fun.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>Those days before air conditioning&#8230;</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m livin&#8217; &#8217;em now. 😛</p>
<p>I live in FL. Days running into the 90s with humidity &gt;80%</p>
<p>My AC, 20y old, decided to give up the ghost. I will be getting a new unit, but trying to find a good deal, rather than just pay through the nose. But it&#8217;s been &#8220;fun&#8221;, for sure. House temps running well above 80, probably above 85 at mid-day (I&#8217;m got two thermometers AND the AC thermo, itself new, and each of them tells me a different temperature. :-/ Go figure.) Cools back down at night as the exterior temp goes below 80 and i open the windows.</p>
<p>I remember the 60s and the 70s once again. What Fun.</p>
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		By: steve walsh		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 11:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a little younger that you Neo, grew up in a city but not NYC. Had a very similar experience with no A/C, as did my wife. It wasn&#039;t until the summer she was pregnant with our daughter that we finally got a window air conditioner. That was the summer of 1986 and I don&#039;t recall it being unusually hot but my poor wife, who was in her third trimester, was miserable. We&#039;ve had A/C in our bedroom, at least, ever since. Our current house and the one before this have central A/C. Though we only turn it on when the heat and humidity are really high. Last summer, our first in Maine, I estimate we ran it for a total of two weeks. Our kids (in their mid to late 30&#039;s now) are much less frugal. :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a little younger that you Neo, grew up in a city but not NYC. Had a very similar experience with no A/C, as did my wife. It wasn&#8217;t until the summer she was pregnant with our daughter that we finally got a window air conditioner. That was the summer of 1986 and I don&#8217;t recall it being unusually hot but my poor wife, who was in her third trimester, was miserable. We&#8217;ve had A/C in our bedroom, at least, ever since. Our current house and the one before this have central A/C. Though we only turn it on when the heat and humidity are really high. Last summer, our first in Maine, I estimate we ran it for a total of two weeks. Our kids (in their mid to late 30&#8217;s now) are much less frugal. 🙂</p>
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		By: Anthony		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 09:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Grew up in the District of Corruption in the &#039;50s, in an apartment in an older building (built ~1895-1900) overlooking Rock Creek Park. High ceilings - 12 ft - and huge windows. Every apartment had a 20-inch paddle-bladed 3-speed window fan in the kitchen window to pull air through the apartment; during the day on medium, maybe high if you could tolerate the noise, at night on low with strategically opened windows and doors to pull air across the beds. The only time the fans were shut off between April and November was the few minutes it took to put a few drops of oil in the motor every couple months. Early &#039;60s we got a couple window units, put &#039;em in in April, remove in early November. The building management finally had to upgrade the antique electric in each apartment because so many resident were buying &quot;window shakers.&quot; Only ran them at night in the bedrooms but they were a Godsend. Those 20-inch fans, heavy, dirt cheap and ubiquitous then, are now &quot;Vintage&quot; or &quot;Antique&quot; and $200+ but they work better and hold up better than anything else now available.  

I spent several summers as a tyke on Grandma&#039;s farm in Tidewater, VA with my same-age cousin, he and I sleeping naked on the screened back porch with an oscillating fan. Near a river and the bay, the humidity never quit. When I became old enough getting shipped off to summer camp in far northern New Hampshire for several years was a blessing.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grew up in the District of Corruption in the &#8217;50s, in an apartment in an older building (built ~1895-1900) overlooking Rock Creek Park. High ceilings &#8211; 12 ft &#8211; and huge windows. Every apartment had a 20-inch paddle-bladed 3-speed window fan in the kitchen window to pull air through the apartment; during the day on medium, maybe high if you could tolerate the noise, at night on low with strategically opened windows and doors to pull air across the beds. The only time the fans were shut off between April and November was the few minutes it took to put a few drops of oil in the motor every couple months. Early &#8217;60s we got a couple window units, put &#8217;em in in April, remove in early November. The building management finally had to upgrade the antique electric in each apartment because so many resident were buying &#8220;window shakers.&#8221; Only ran them at night in the bedrooms but they were a Godsend. Those 20-inch fans, heavy, dirt cheap and ubiquitous then, are now &#8220;Vintage&#8221; or &#8220;Antique&#8221; and $200+ but they work better and hold up better than anything else now available.  </p>
<p>I spent several summers as a tyke on Grandma&#8217;s farm in Tidewater, VA with my same-age cousin, he and I sleeping naked on the screened back porch with an oscillating fan. Near a river and the bay, the humidity never quit. When I became old enough getting shipped off to summer camp in far northern New Hampshire for several years was a blessing.</p>
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		By: tyrone o'saurus		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 04:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I recall Catholic high school in upstate New York in the early 60&#039;s.  In June the temperatures would get into the high 80&#039;s in the afternoon and the school had 2/3 of the classrooms facing the afternoon sun.  

The worst part was that we had to wear suits and ties, and none of the teachers would let us take our jackets off.  My school wardrobe consisted of a dark grey wool flannel suit and a Harris tweed sport coat with khakis or wool slacks.  Great for a cold winter day but excruciating for three months of the school year.

Today I see kids in shorts and tee shirts waiting for the bus to their air conditioned school.  I wonder when the schools will be going &quot;green&#039;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall Catholic high school in upstate New York in the early 60&#8217;s.  In June the temperatures would get into the high 80&#8217;s in the afternoon and the school had 2/3 of the classrooms facing the afternoon sun.  </p>
<p>The worst part was that we had to wear suits and ties, and none of the teachers would let us take our jackets off.  My school wardrobe consisted of a dark grey wool flannel suit and a Harris tweed sport coat with khakis or wool slacks.  Great for a cold winter day but excruciating for three months of the school year.</p>
<p>Today I see kids in shorts and tee shirts waiting for the bus to their air conditioned school.  I wonder when the schools will be going &#8220;green&#8217;.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jul 2022 04:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I can relate to almost every story told here. Thanks especially for the history notes.

Growing up in the 50s-60s in the Texas Panhandle, we only had a swamp cooler that fit into one window in my brother&#039;s bedroom, and the air never did get back to our bedroom, but cooled the front part of the house pretty well.
It was a HUGE metal box that sat on a little wooden &quot;deck&quot; in the side yard of the house.
We never did get refrigerated air, although my mom&#039;s sister&#039;s husband insisted on it in their house further east. We enjoyed staying over there when we visited Grandma &#038; Grandpa in the same town, although they lived out in the country in a big &quot;ranch house&quot; with the sleeping porch.  Nice at night, especially in thunderstorms, but still and hot during the day. Many friends and relatives over there had the high ceilings and the &quot;dog run&quot; architecture that cooled the houses.

@ Dnaxy &#062; &quot;The early car air conditioner was a metallic cylinder,&quot;
We had one of those in our old Buick, and my mother had to pull a cord to rotate the cylinder with the pad into the reservoir of water on the bottom. Sometimes it would spill through the vents, but who cared!
My dad gave it to me after I married, and we used it in our Volkswagen Bug until it finally rusted through.  I really hated to get rid of the old thing, but we couldn&#039;t keep hauling it around back then.

@ physicsguy &#062; &quot; In the neighborhood I grew up in (Lakewood) in 1960 when we moved into the house….zero trees&quot;
We live in Lakewood now, and love the trees! Compared to the Texas Gulf coast, where we came from, any increase in humidity is unnoticeable.

@ Leland &#062;  &quot;when Texas had its Valentine Day power outrage a couple of years ago; I missed the small wall mounted gas furnaces that kept each room warm.

 I remember those very well, and they do a great job - for one room. 
When Denver Metro had a power outage for a couple of days in the winter of 2018 (though not as bad as TX Snowmageddon), I called my HVAC guy and had one installed as soon as he could get it ordered.
It has no electric connection at all, because, although it burns natural gas just like our regular furnace, that one would not work without the fan running.

In re DC, environmentalists, and elitist idiots in general: they never volunteer to be the first ones to sacrifice for Gaia; it&#039;s always us peons who get that honor.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can relate to almost every story told here. Thanks especially for the history notes.</p>
<p>Growing up in the 50s-60s in the Texas Panhandle, we only had a swamp cooler that fit into one window in my brother&#8217;s bedroom, and the air never did get back to our bedroom, but cooled the front part of the house pretty well.<br />
It was a HUGE metal box that sat on a little wooden &#8220;deck&#8221; in the side yard of the house.<br />
We never did get refrigerated air, although my mom&#8217;s sister&#8217;s husband insisted on it in their house further east. We enjoyed staying over there when we visited Grandma &amp; Grandpa in the same town, although they lived out in the country in a big &#8220;ranch house&#8221; with the sleeping porch.  Nice at night, especially in thunderstorms, but still and hot during the day. Many friends and relatives over there had the high ceilings and the &#8220;dog run&#8221; architecture that cooled the houses.</p>
<p>@ Dnaxy &gt; &#8220;The early car air conditioner was a metallic cylinder,&#8221;<br />
We had one of those in our old Buick, and my mother had to pull a cord to rotate the cylinder with the pad into the reservoir of water on the bottom. Sometimes it would spill through the vents, but who cared!<br />
My dad gave it to me after I married, and we used it in our Volkswagen Bug until it finally rusted through.  I really hated to get rid of the old thing, but we couldn&#8217;t keep hauling it around back then.</p>
<p>@ physicsguy &gt; &#8221; In the neighborhood I grew up in (Lakewood) in 1960 when we moved into the house….zero trees&#8221;<br />
We live in Lakewood now, and love the trees! Compared to the Texas Gulf coast, where we came from, any increase in humidity is unnoticeable.</p>
<p>@ Leland &gt;  &#8220;when Texas had its Valentine Day power outrage a couple of years ago; I missed the small wall mounted gas furnaces that kept each room warm.</p>
<p> I remember those very well, and they do a great job &#8211; for one room.<br />
When Denver Metro had a power outage for a couple of days in the winter of 2018 (though not as bad as TX Snowmageddon), I called my HVAC guy and had one installed as soon as he could get it ordered.<br />
It has no electric connection at all, because, although it burns natural gas just like our regular furnace, that one would not work without the fan running.</p>
<p>In re DC, environmentalists, and elitist idiots in general: they never volunteer to be the first ones to sacrifice for Gaia; it&#8217;s always us peons who get that honor.</p>
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