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		By: Scott		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jul 2022 09:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I echo what Davemay said.
And thanks for finding this wonderful video on the Statue of Liberty.  I am often amazed at the feats of human engineering in earlier times.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I echo what Davemay said.<br />
And thanks for finding this wonderful video on the Statue of Liberty.  I am often amazed at the feats of human engineering in earlier times.</p>
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		By: Davemay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/04/for-the-fourth-on-liberty/#comment-2631483</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2022 22:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[You are such a wonderful writer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are such a wonderful writer.</p>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/04/for-the-fourth-on-liberty/#comment-2631423</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2022 17:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[https://libertyunyielding.com/2018/07/03/blast-from-the-past-remarkable-echoes-from-independence-day-at-the-onset-of-the-civil-war/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="https://libertyunyielding.com/2018/07/03/blast-from-the-past-remarkable-echoes-from-independence-day-at-the-onset-of-the-civil-war/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://libertyunyielding.com/2018/07/03/blast-from-the-past-remarkable-echoes-from-independence-day-at-the-onset-of-the-civil-war/</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/07/04/for-the-fourth-on-liberty/#comment-2631405</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2022 12:25:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And this courageous stand---from &quot;Take Action Canada&quot;---north of the border:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1543297280471715841
H/T Blazingcatfur blog.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And this courageous stand&#8212;from &#8220;Take Action Canada&#8221;&#8212;north of the border:</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/i/status/1543297280471715841" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/i/status/1543297280471715841</a><br />
H/T Blazingcatfur blog.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2022 02:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;My wife and I had dinner at the restaurant at the top of the WTC. I think it was early 80s.&lt;/i&gt;

My family did that too.  &quot;Windows on the World&quot; I think it was called.  Such modesty.  The related old NYC saying that I like the best is, &quot;You can take a subway to anywhere in the world.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>My wife and I had dinner at the restaurant at the top of the WTC. I think it was early 80s.</i></p>
<p>My family did that too.  &#8220;Windows on the World&#8221; I think it was called.  Such modesty.  The related old NYC saying that I like the best is, &#8220;You can take a subway to anywhere in the world.&#8221;</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2022 02:04:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was watching the fireworks display at the Washington Mall on FoxNews since my community is too politically correct to have a fireworks display.

They played a number of songs while it was happening.  Some may have been a feed from the Mall, the Star Spangled Banner &#038; Stars and Stripes Forever, but some definitely were not.  Like this one below by Chris Janson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=958TaJZlbKU&#038;t=179s

Country and Western music is not my cup of tea, but that one packs a punch.

The refrain of the song is:
&lt;i&gt;With a bible on the table and a flag on the wall&lt;/i&gt;

This is the same refrain as an old Gene Autry song, though all the other lyrics are different.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was watching the fireworks display at the Washington Mall on FoxNews since my community is too politically correct to have a fireworks display.</p>
<p>They played a number of songs while it was happening.  Some may have been a feed from the Mall, the Star Spangled Banner &amp; Stars and Stripes Forever, but some definitely were not.  Like this one below by Chris Janson.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=958TaJZlbKU&#038;t=179s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=958TaJZlbKU&#038;t=179s</a></p>
<p>Country and Western music is not my cup of tea, but that one packs a punch.</p>
<p>The refrain of the song is:<br />
<i>With a bible on the table and a flag on the wall</i></p>
<p>This is the same refrain as an old Gene Autry song, though all the other lyrics are different.</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jul 2022 00:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Knowing that the Statue of Liberty was a gift to the United States from the French Republic, I&#039;ve always been struck by the difference between the concepts of liberty as reflected in the national anthems of the two countries. Both anthems were written in wartime, the War of 1812 for &quot;The Star-Spangled Banner&quot; and the French declaration of war against Austria in 1792 for &quot;La Marseillaise.&quot; The fourth stanza of &quot;The Star-Spangled Banner&quot; is not usually sung; but while it does refer to war (unsurprising in 1812), it attaches victory to the concept of a just cause, and it places the &quot;land of the free and the home of the brave&quot; under the protection of the God of Judeo-Christian tradition:

&lt;i&gt;O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved homes and the war&#039;s desolation.
Blest with vict&#039;ry and peace, may the Heav&#039;n-rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: &#039;In God is our trust.&#039;
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O&#039;er the land of the free and the home of the brave!&lt;/i&gt;  

The sixth stanza of Rouget de Lisle&#039;s text (which is also not usually sung), however, casts Liberty as a belligerent goddess fighting alongside the soldiers of the First French Republic:

&lt;i&gt;Amour sacré de la patrie,
Conduis, soutiens nos bras vengeurs !
Liberté, Liberté chérie,
Combats avec tes défenseurs ! (bis)
Sous nos drapeaux, que la victoire
Accoure à tes mâles accents !
Que tes ennemis expirants
Voient ton triomphe et notre gloire !&lt;/i&gt;

[English translation: Sacred love of the fatherland,
Lead, support our avenging arms!
Liberty, beloved Liberty,
Fight with your defenders! (repeat)
Under our flags, let victory
Hasten to your manly tones!
May your dying enemies
See your triumph and our glory!]

I can still remember when my third-grade class learned the first stanza of &quot;La Marseillaise&quot; from the French teacher (my school started kids early in learning French)-- we were surprised by the words of the chorus wishing that the fields of France would be &quot;watered&quot; by &quot;impure blood.&quot; &quot;The Star-Spangled Banner&quot; seemed pretty tame by comparison.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Knowing that the Statue of Liberty was a gift to the United States from the French Republic, I&#8217;ve always been struck by the difference between the concepts of liberty as reflected in the national anthems of the two countries. Both anthems were written in wartime, the War of 1812 for &#8220;The Star-Spangled Banner&#8221; and the French declaration of war against Austria in 1792 for &#8220;La Marseillaise.&#8221; The fourth stanza of &#8220;The Star-Spangled Banner&#8221; is not usually sung; but while it does refer to war (unsurprising in 1812), it attaches victory to the concept of a just cause, and it places the &#8220;land of the free and the home of the brave&#8221; under the protection of the God of Judeo-Christian tradition:</p>
<p><i>O thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand<br />
Between their loved homes and the war&#8217;s desolation.<br />
Blest with vict&#8217;ry and peace, may the Heav&#8217;n-rescued land<br />
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation!<br />
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,<br />
And this be our motto: &#8216;In God is our trust.&#8217;<br />
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave<br />
O&#8217;er the land of the free and the home of the brave!</i>  </p>
<p>The sixth stanza of Rouget de Lisle&#8217;s text (which is also not usually sung), however, casts Liberty as a belligerent goddess fighting alongside the soldiers of the First French Republic:</p>
<p><i>Amour sacré de la patrie,<br />
Conduis, soutiens nos bras vengeurs !<br />
Liberté, Liberté chérie,<br />
Combats avec tes défenseurs ! (bis)<br />
Sous nos drapeaux, que la victoire<br />
Accoure à tes mâles accents !<br />
Que tes ennemis expirants<br />
Voient ton triomphe et notre gloire !</i></p>
<p>[English translation: Sacred love of the fatherland,<br />
Lead, support our avenging arms!<br />
Liberty, beloved Liberty,<br />
Fight with your defenders! (repeat)<br />
Under our flags, let victory<br />
Hasten to your manly tones!<br />
May your dying enemies<br />
See your triumph and our glory!]</p>
<p>I can still remember when my third-grade class learned the first stanza of &#8220;La Marseillaise&#8221; from the French teacher (my school started kids early in learning French)&#8211; we were surprised by the words of the chorus wishing that the fields of France would be &#8220;watered&#8221; by &#8220;impure blood.&#8221; &#8220;The Star-Spangled Banner&#8221; seemed pretty tame by comparison.</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2022 23:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m going by the film version, with ralph fiennes, who has military and intelligence in his family pedigree, an uncle who was an explorer, a grandfather was a general,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going by the film version, with ralph fiennes, who has military and intelligence in his family pedigree, an uncle who was an explorer, a grandfather was a general,</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2022 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[in the play corolianus, the titular character turned against rome, and let his former foe, aulus, rampage against it, this is the crime of the progs against great cities,]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in the play corolianus, the titular character turned against rome, and let his former foe, aulus, rampage against it, this is the crime of the progs against great cities,</p>
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		By: miguel cervantes		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2022 22:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ah now we see,

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/07/04/senator-lindsey-graham-returns-from-turkey-hopeful-to-close-deal-on-f16-sales/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ah now we see,</p>
<p><a href="https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/07/04/senator-lindsey-graham-returns-from-turkey-hopeful-to-close-deal-on-f16-sales/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/07/04/senator-lindsey-graham-returns-from-turkey-hopeful-to-close-deal-on-f16-sales/</a></p>
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