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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/30/open-thread-6-30-22/#comment-2630884</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 03:48:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Off topic for this open thread, sorry,  Ukraine assessment if anyone is interested:

https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/06/30/putins-war-week-18-snake-island-prisoner-exchanges-calculated-terror-and-the-war-in-donbas-n587032]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic for this open thread, sorry,  Ukraine assessment if anyone is interested:</p>
<p><a href="https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/06/30/putins-war-week-18-snake-island-prisoner-exchanges-calculated-terror-and-the-war-in-donbas-n587032" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/streiff/2022/06/30/putins-war-week-18-snake-island-prisoner-exchanges-calculated-terror-and-the-war-in-donbas-n587032</a></p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/30/open-thread-6-30-22/#comment-2630834</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 01:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate:

Here are just a few posts I&#039;ve written on the subject (I&#039;ve also written many comments):

&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/12/18/new-hampshire-statistics-on-covid-hospitalizations-and-the-unvaccinated-versus-the-vaccinated/&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/08/13/remember-that-indian-study-about-the-viral-loads-of-vaccinated-people/&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/the-vaccinated-and-the-unvaccinated/&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/07/20/the-delta-variant-and-the-vaccine/&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/07/21/have-ten-thousand-people-died-from-the-covid-vaccine/&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;a href=&quot;https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/09/14/what-does-the-israel-covid-data-indicate-about-vaccines-and-delta/&quot;&gt;This&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate:</p>
<p>Here are just a few posts I&#8217;ve written on the subject (I&#8217;ve also written many comments):</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/12/18/new-hampshire-statistics-on-covid-hospitalizations-and-the-unvaccinated-versus-the-vaccinated/">This</a>.<br />
<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/08/13/remember-that-indian-study-about-the-viral-loads-of-vaccinated-people/">This</a>.<br />
<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/08/07/the-vaccinated-and-the-unvaccinated/">This</a>.<br />
<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/07/20/the-delta-variant-and-the-vaccine/">This</a>.<br />
<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/07/21/have-ten-thousand-people-died-from-the-covid-vaccine/">This</a>.<br />
<a href="https://www.thenewneo.com/2021/09/14/what-does-the-israel-covid-data-indicate-about-vaccines-and-delta/">This</a>.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/30/open-thread-6-30-22/#comment-2630832</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 00:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin:

I&#039;ve read neitherTurley nor Dershowitz on this, but I actually think that Roberts&#039; opinion is correct here.  It is within Biden&#039;s power to do this in terms of the statute he&#039;s following, although I think it&#039;s a very wrong thing for him to do.

If Congress wants to limit him they should pass another law.

Also, when Trump was in power, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.scotusblog.com/2018/06/opinion-analysis-divided-court-upholds-trump-travel-ban/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;SCOTUS made&lt;/a&gt; a similar decision re his travel ban, and Roberts wrote the majority opinion.  I don&#039;t recall all the details, but to me that decision in favor of Trump and today&#039;s decision in favor of Biden seem consistent with each other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read neitherTurley nor Dershowitz on this, but I actually think that Roberts&#8217; opinion is correct here.  It is within Biden&#8217;s power to do this in terms of the statute he&#8217;s following, although I think it&#8217;s a very wrong thing for him to do.</p>
<p>If Congress wants to limit him they should pass another law.</p>
<p>Also, when Trump was in power, <a href="https://www.scotusblog.com/2018/06/opinion-analysis-divided-court-upholds-trump-travel-ban/" rel="nofollow ugc">SCOTUS made</a> a similar decision re his travel ban, and Roberts wrote the majority opinion.  I don&#8217;t recall all the details, but to me that decision in favor of Trump and today&#8217;s decision in favor of Biden seem consistent with each other.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/30/open-thread-6-30-22/#comment-2630830</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 00:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Neo, I don&#039;t think I agree with you, but in any case, although I am 73 I am in good health and do not fear to die from the less-lethal varieties now circulating.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neo, I don&#8217;t think I agree with you, but in any case, although I am 73 I am in good health and do not fear to die from the less-lethal varieties now circulating.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jul 2022 00:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay; Kate:

I&#039;ve dealt before, many times, with assertions that vaccinated people are more susceptible.  I have no interest in going over the details once again.  Such assertions are based on a poor understanding of statistics.

However, it certainly is true that vaccinated people get COVID.  It is also true that they are significantly less likely to die of it or to get very severe cases.  There are all sorts of people online purporting to prove otherwise, but they are twisting statistics and/or misunderstanding them.

Fauci is 81 years old.  He&#039;s in a higher risk group because of that.  He had a very mild case and took an antiviral, then was better and tested negative, then tested positive again with worse symptoms but not very seriously ill, took the antiviral again, and apparently is doing well again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay; Kate:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve dealt before, many times, with assertions that vaccinated people are more susceptible.  I have no interest in going over the details once again.  Such assertions are based on a poor understanding of statistics.</p>
<p>However, it certainly is true that vaccinated people get COVID.  It is also true that they are significantly less likely to die of it or to get very severe cases.  There are all sorts of people online purporting to prove otherwise, but they are twisting statistics and/or misunderstanding them.</p>
<p>Fauci is 81 years old.  He&#8217;s in a higher risk group because of that.  He had a very mild case and took an antiviral, then was better and tested negative, then tested positive again with worse symptoms but not very seriously ill, took the antiviral again, and apparently is doing well again.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/30/open-thread-6-30-22/#comment-2630771</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2022 20:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;TommyJay, apparently Fauci is finding that his quadruple-vaxxed state is making him perhaps more vulnerable to the virus, rather than less, and the Paxlovid treatment isn’t working well.&lt;/i&gt; -- Kate

Yes, I knew that he had taken all the vaxxes and Plaxovid and I have read some material about increased vulnerability.  I have no confidence on either side of these stories other than the fact that the Pfizer vaxxes they&#039;ve been shilling are not effective.  Fauci&#039;s travails seem like karma.

I got off the phone with a local city official today who recently got back from a family vacation and enroute from the Cayman&#039;s to Cancun they all got tested in Florida and all tested positive and also got quarantined for 7 days.  They all had the same very mild symptoms.  However, the 7 year old had been vaxxed and the 5 year old hadn&#039;t.  Same results.  One data point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>TommyJay, apparently Fauci is finding that his quadruple-vaxxed state is making him perhaps more vulnerable to the virus, rather than less, and the Paxlovid treatment isn’t working well.</i> &#8212; Kate</p>
<p>Yes, I knew that he had taken all the vaxxes and Plaxovid and I have read some material about increased vulnerability.  I have no confidence on either side of these stories other than the fact that the Pfizer vaxxes they&#8217;ve been shilling are not effective.  Fauci&#8217;s travails seem like karma.</p>
<p>I got off the phone with a local city official today who recently got back from a family vacation and enroute from the Cayman&#8217;s to Cancun they all got tested in Florida and all tested positive and also got quarantined for 7 days.  They all had the same very mild symptoms.  However, the 7 year old had been vaxxed and the 5 year old hadn&#8217;t.  Same results.  One data point.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/30/open-thread-6-30-22/#comment-2630760</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2022 20:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks much, Kate.

In plain English, should one understand that Turley is extremely unimpressed with Roberts&#039;s waffling? 
If so, then he would seem to be diametrically opposed to Dershowitz, who, once again if I understood him correctly, agreed wholeheartedly with Roberts&#039;s perfectly nuanced(?)---pace D.---position.

(For better or worse, I find that difference of views (Libertarian vs. Liberal?)---if that&#039;s what it is---absolutely fascinating....)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks much, Kate.</p>
<p>In plain English, should one understand that Turley is extremely unimpressed with Roberts&#8217;s waffling?<br />
If so, then he would seem to be diametrically opposed to Dershowitz, who, once again if I understood him correctly, agreed wholeheartedly with Roberts&#8217;s perfectly nuanced(?)&#8212;pace D.&#8212;position.</p>
<p>(For better or worse, I find that difference of views (Libertarian vs. Liberal?)&#8212;if that&#8217;s what it is&#8212;absolutely fascinating&#8230;.)</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/30/open-thread-6-30-22/#comment-2630757</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2022 20:13:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin:

A president can&#039;t dictate Senate rules by executive order. The Senate makes its rules.  They can adopt or reject his suggestions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin:</p>
<p>A president can&#8217;t dictate Senate rules by executive order. The Senate makes its rules.  They can adopt or reject his suggestions.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/30/open-thread-6-30-22/#comment-2630754</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2022 19:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related:
https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/supreme-court-agrees-review-independent-state-legislature-theory-next-term]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related:<br />
<a href="https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/supreme-court-agrees-review-independent-state-legislature-theory-next-term" rel="nofollow ugc">https://justthenews.com/government/courts-law/supreme-court-agrees-review-independent-state-legislature-theory-next-term</a></p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/30/open-thread-6-30-22/#comment-2630753</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Jun 2022 19:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Barry Meislin, Turley has called Robert&#039;s concurrence in &lt;i&gt;Dobbs&lt;/i&gt; &quot;the ultimate call of an incrementalist detached from the underlying constitutional interpretation.&quot;

https://jonathanturley.org/2022/06/26/the-dobbs-decision-and-the-resumption-of-the-state-by-state-abortion-debate/#more-190491]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barry Meislin, Turley has called Robert&#8217;s concurrence in <i>Dobbs</i> &#8220;the ultimate call of an incrementalist detached from the underlying constitutional interpretation.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://jonathanturley.org/2022/06/26/the-dobbs-decision-and-the-resumption-of-the-state-by-state-abortion-debate/#more-190491" rel="nofollow ugc">https://jonathanturley.org/2022/06/26/the-dobbs-decision-and-the-resumption-of-the-state-by-state-abortion-debate/#more-190491</a></p>
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