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		By: stan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just linked by Instapundit

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&quot;The COVID-19 pandemic has changed the way people perceive the passage of time, according to an article published in the journal Science Advances.&quot;]]></description>
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<p>&#8220;The COVID-19 pandemic has changed the way people perceive the passage of time, according to an article published in the journal Science Advances.&#8221;</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 17:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One benefit of the last two years -- far more people are now aware that doctors, scientists and other &quot;experts&quot; are often incompetent, just as often corrupt, routinely dishonest and nearly universally cowards. This is a very, very good development.

Hopefully it will help stop our fetish for experts and start the process of skepticism by the general public. Even better would be for the expert class to finally admit their complete absence of quality control processes and begin some serious mea culpas and self-examination.

My doctor and I were talking about how his medical group routinely passes along CDC recommendations.  I mentioned that the CDC had been exposed as consistently wrong, generally dishonest, and often corrupt. At what point do doctors have an obligation to be on notice of that record? At what point is it no longer a viable excuse to give harmful advice to patients and hide behind reliance on the CDC? He just shrugged and said something about avoiding getting in trouble with the certification boards or losing hospital privileges for spreading disinformation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One benefit of the last two years &#8212; far more people are now aware that doctors, scientists and other &#8220;experts&#8221; are often incompetent, just as often corrupt, routinely dishonest and nearly universally cowards. This is a very, very good development.</p>
<p>Hopefully it will help stop our fetish for experts and start the process of skepticism by the general public. Even better would be for the expert class to finally admit their complete absence of quality control processes and begin some serious mea culpas and self-examination.</p>
<p>My doctor and I were talking about how his medical group routinely passes along CDC recommendations.  I mentioned that the CDC had been exposed as consistently wrong, generally dishonest, and often corrupt. At what point do doctors have an obligation to be on notice of that record? At what point is it no longer a viable excuse to give harmful advice to patients and hide behind reliance on the CDC? He just shrugged and said something about avoiding getting in trouble with the certification boards or losing hospital privileges for spreading disinformation.</p>
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		By: NewYorkCentral		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Unlike most of my friends, I kept my doctor/dentist appointments through the pandemic, having suffered a stroke at the ripe old age of 42 due to fantastically high blood pressure and uncontrolled diabetes.  I figured the danger from COVID was less than the danger posed by those two problems if I let them get out of hand and kept schlepping to the doctor&#039;s office.  Have to admit, it was kind of nice for about 18 months - no one in the waiting room, appointments were only like 15 minutes behind.  Then last fall, people started going to the doctor again, and the place is a madhouse every time I go in.

I suspect we&#039;re just starting to see the damage caused by the last two years in healthcare and education...we don&#039;t like the answers now, and we&#039;ll like the answers we get in a year or two even less.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unlike most of my friends, I kept my doctor/dentist appointments through the pandemic, having suffered a stroke at the ripe old age of 42 due to fantastically high blood pressure and uncontrolled diabetes.  I figured the danger from COVID was less than the danger posed by those two problems if I let them get out of hand and kept schlepping to the doctor&#8217;s office.  Have to admit, it was kind of nice for about 18 months &#8211; no one in the waiting room, appointments were only like 15 minutes behind.  Then last fall, people started going to the doctor again, and the place is a madhouse every time I go in.</p>
<p>I suspect we&#8217;re just starting to see the damage caused by the last two years in healthcare and education&#8230;we don&#8217;t like the answers now, and we&#8217;ll like the answers we get in a year or two even less.</p>
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		By: Lee+Also		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 15:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lee:  I know exactly what you are talking about.

I keep thanking my lucky stars I live in a state where dermatology wasn&#039;t prorogated. And that I had a dermatologist who wasn&#039;t a wimp. (Yea, I had to wear a mask there.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee:  I know exactly what you are talking about.</p>
<p>I keep thanking my lucky stars I live in a state where dermatology wasn&#8217;t prorogated. And that I had a dermatologist who wasn&#8217;t a wimp. (Yea, I had to wear a mask there.)</p>
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		By: om		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 13:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In a responsive democracy (aka rule by the mob) and not a democratic republic (rule by the law?) those &quot;Leaders&quot; might well be hanging for the deaths they facilitated (sounding like Geoffrey B?).

But, hey, the Governors of NY, NJ, PA (?) essentially killed 10Ks in nursing home settings with their COVID response policies, so excess morbidity is consequence free.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a responsive democracy (aka rule by the mob) and not a democratic republic (rule by the law?) those &#8220;Leaders&#8221; might well be hanging for the deaths they facilitated (sounding like Geoffrey B?).</p>
<p>But, hey, the Governors of NY, NJ, PA (?) essentially killed 10Ks in nursing home settings with their COVID response policies, so excess morbidity is consequence free.</p>
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		By: Lee		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 12:09:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Lee also:

&quot;Whoever thought dermatology wasn’t an essential function was an idiot.&quot;

That would have been a government bureaucrat.  CMS had this all teed up, ready to roll out.  
Even had the specific surgeries that could and  could not be booked named.
(There you go, conspiracy theorists.)
Either a government employed physician or an attorney, most likely.  Or a public health school grad. 
OKd by some politician--not known for their medical expertise.

They are  the ones who decided the guidelines from the FDA and CDC--for the first time in history--should determine how patients are cared for, thus being responsible for the virtual PROHIBITION  of effective, early treatment.  
And the resulting --oh, let&#039;s just say 500,000--deaths in this country. (Studies from around the world show a 40-70% reduction in hospitalization. Oh, to have lived in the third world country  these past two years, where you could get HCQ or IVM for Covid!)

The law school and public health school grads who populate CMS, the hospital systems&#039; executive levels, who wrote the (likely UNSOLICITED, I bet) letter from the Federation of State Boards of Medicine threatening to delicense physicians who gave early treatment--that is who committed these crimes against humanity, pretty much.  Along with their government employed physician collaborators.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee also:</p>
<p>&#8220;Whoever thought dermatology wasn’t an essential function was an idiot.&#8221;</p>
<p>That would have been a government bureaucrat.  CMS had this all teed up, ready to roll out.<br />
Even had the specific surgeries that could and  could not be booked named.<br />
(There you go, conspiracy theorists.)<br />
Either a government employed physician or an attorney, most likely.  Or a public health school grad.<br />
OKd by some politician&#8211;not known for their medical expertise.</p>
<p>They are  the ones who decided the guidelines from the FDA and CDC&#8211;for the first time in history&#8211;should determine how patients are cared for, thus being responsible for the virtual PROHIBITION  of effective, early treatment.<br />
And the resulting &#8211;oh, let&#8217;s just say 500,000&#8211;deaths in this country. (Studies from around the world show a 40-70% reduction in hospitalization. Oh, to have lived in the third world country  these past two years, where you could get HCQ or IVM for Covid!)</p>
<p>The law school and public health school grads who populate CMS, the hospital systems&#8217; executive levels, who wrote the (likely UNSOLICITED, I bet) letter from the Federation of State Boards of Medicine threatening to delicense physicians who gave early treatment&#8211;that is who committed these crimes against humanity, pretty much.  Along with their government employed physician collaborators.</p>
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		By: JPL17		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 10:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The phenomenon Neo describes is very real. A sister, brother-in-law, and 2 close friends of mine were diagnosed with advanced stage cancer last year after having delayed their routine medical visits during the covid &quot;scare&quot;. Two of them have now died, both well before their time. 

IMHO, the pandemic response imposed on us by our medical-political-corporate leaders was worse than the disease. They should hang their heads in shame (though I know they won&#039;t).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The phenomenon Neo describes is very real. A sister, brother-in-law, and 2 close friends of mine were diagnosed with advanced stage cancer last year after having delayed their routine medical visits during the covid &#8220;scare&#8221;. Two of them have now died, both well before their time. </p>
<p>IMHO, the pandemic response imposed on us by our medical-political-corporate leaders was worse than the disease. They should hang their heads in shame (though I know they won&#8217;t).</p>
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		By: KyPerson		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My best friend from high school died in 2021.  She had diabetes which was poorly controlled.  She had neuropathy from the diabetes and it was beginning to affect her eyes.  She was absolutely terrified of getting covid and I know she died because she was too afraid to see her doctor.  
My own doctor is good and I like him but he does do the typing thing but he stops when I ask a question.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My best friend from high school died in 2021.  She had diabetes which was poorly controlled.  She had neuropathy from the diabetes and it was beginning to affect her eyes.  She was absolutely terrified of getting covid and I know she died because she was too afraid to see her doctor.<br />
My own doctor is good and I like him but he does do the typing thing but he stops when I ask a question.</p>
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		By: Bruce Hayden		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 09:11:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aggie wrote, “But also I have noticed that generally speaking, there is a degradation of service quality across our society. Customer satisfaction seems to be something that businesses can increasingly take or leave.”

Except at Trump International hotel in Las Vegas. We are staying there in preparation for surgery this coming Thursday for my wife. The one place there where employment shut down service is that they have suspended their airport shuttle. But they still polish the brass in the elevator every couple hours, remove any trash in the halls within the hour, show up within 10 minutes if your door is propped open, and gave me the chicken free last night that I had thought I had ordered, but the bartender had thought that I had declined. 

We hadn’t been to the surgeon’s office in maybe 10 years, and it hadn’t changed much, except for the idiotic masking requirement. But that feels more like a government mandate, since he didn’t unmask when he was with her, and they are decently good friends. 

But we are in Las Vegas because the referral we got in PHX from her doctor there had spent his 15 minutes with her facing away from her, and typing on his keyboard, not even touching her, or running any X Rays. He charged $300, above and beyond what her BC/BS Gold plan payed. He was listed as a department head at the neighborhood Mayo Clinic, which was disappointing. Their ER department was disappointing for her too. 

But I had the opposite experience there at our neighborhood (PHX) Mayo Clinic. Came in through the ER, and the hand surgeon on call that night was head of his dept. He has been spectacular. Not only extremely skilled, but keeps us both in the loop, explains everything to us (as well as his resident, PA, etc), pops by whenever I have had follow ups with his PA, and never types on a keyboard when dealing with me as a patient. Always stays engaged with me, the patient. The whole hospital runs like a well oiled machine. We jokingly call it the Four Seasons Mayo Clinic, for the room service available for in patients. They give you an extensive menu that you order from, over the phone, and your meal shows up a bit later in your room. They were also running 2 patients per RN on the floor, instead of the usual 6-8 per RN, with LPNs and CNAs  picking up the bulk of the work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aggie wrote, “But also I have noticed that generally speaking, there is a degradation of service quality across our society. Customer satisfaction seems to be something that businesses can increasingly take or leave.”</p>
<p>Except at Trump International hotel in Las Vegas. We are staying there in preparation for surgery this coming Thursday for my wife. The one place there where employment shut down service is that they have suspended their airport shuttle. But they still polish the brass in the elevator every couple hours, remove any trash in the halls within the hour, show up within 10 minutes if your door is propped open, and gave me the chicken free last night that I had thought I had ordered, but the bartender had thought that I had declined. </p>
<p>We hadn’t been to the surgeon’s office in maybe 10 years, and it hadn’t changed much, except for the idiotic masking requirement. But that feels more like a government mandate, since he didn’t unmask when he was with her, and they are decently good friends. </p>
<p>But we are in Las Vegas because the referral we got in PHX from her doctor there had spent his 15 minutes with her facing away from her, and typing on his keyboard, not even touching her, or running any X Rays. He charged $300, above and beyond what her BC/BS Gold plan payed. He was listed as a department head at the neighborhood Mayo Clinic, which was disappointing. Their ER department was disappointing for her too. </p>
<p>But I had the opposite experience there at our neighborhood (PHX) Mayo Clinic. Came in through the ER, and the hand surgeon on call that night was head of his dept. He has been spectacular. Not only extremely skilled, but keeps us both in the loop, explains everything to us (as well as his resident, PA, etc), pops by whenever I have had follow ups with his PA, and never types on a keyboard when dealing with me as a patient. Always stays engaged with me, the patient. The whole hospital runs like a well oiled machine. We jokingly call it the Four Seasons Mayo Clinic, for the room service available for in patients. They give you an extensive menu that you order from, over the phone, and your meal shows up a bit later in your room. They were also running 2 patients per RN on the floor, instead of the usual 6-8 per RN, with LPNs and CNAs  picking up the bulk of the work.</p>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jun 2022 07:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Physicsguy,

I agree with Aggie.  I too had the dreaded elevated PSA but received wonderful care by a great urologist.  Hopefully your biopsy will be negative, but if not, the medical world seems to have a great handle on treating the prostrate ...

I also had missed several PSA tests because of Covid ...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Physicsguy,</p>
<p>I agree with Aggie.  I too had the dreaded elevated PSA but received wonderful care by a great urologist.  Hopefully your biopsy will be negative, but if not, the medical world seems to have a great handle on treating the prostrate &#8230;</p>
<p>I also had missed several PSA tests because of Covid &#8230;</p>
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