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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 21:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OBH, 
...and then there are the coattails....

The whole thing reeks.]]></description>
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&#8230;and then there are the coattails&#8230;.</p>
<p>The whole thing reeks.</p>
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		By: JJ		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 17:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan, that&#039;s interesting about the loyalty programs. I knew they were moneymakers for them but didn&#039;t realize how big they&#039;ve become.   

When the airlines were deregulated in 1978, the management at my old airline were from the hotel industry. They immediately put variable fares into effect - just like the hotel industry. That&#039;s why two people sitting side by side on an airplane can have paid as much as $1000 difference in their fare. They called it &quot;yield management.&quot; I call it a scam. It opened the door for fare assemblers like Katak, Priceline, etc. to purchase tickets in bulk up to six months before the flight and resell them at a profit, yet less than the airline is charging.  It&#039;s a crazy business that has never made reliable money. Back when I started in the business (1968) mail contracts, cargo, and regulated fares were heling the airlines stay in business - barely.  

Deregulation turned the business into a real crap shoot. You could start an airline with leased aircraft, contract maintenance, and low-cost pilots. Those airlines could undercut the legacy carriers, but as they grew, they began to have to accumulate the same kind of overhead as the legacy outfits. Only a few (Southwest and Spirit) have had staying power. It&#039;s a tough business.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan, that&#8217;s interesting about the loyalty programs. I knew they were moneymakers for them but didn&#8217;t realize how big they&#8217;ve become.   </p>
<p>When the airlines were deregulated in 1978, the management at my old airline were from the hotel industry. They immediately put variable fares into effect &#8211; just like the hotel industry. That&#8217;s why two people sitting side by side on an airplane can have paid as much as $1000 difference in their fare. They called it &#8220;yield management.&#8221; I call it a scam. It opened the door for fare assemblers like Katak, Priceline, etc. to purchase tickets in bulk up to six months before the flight and resell them at a profit, yet less than the airline is charging.  It&#8217;s a crazy business that has never made reliable money. Back when I started in the business (1968) mail contracts, cargo, and regulated fares were heling the airlines stay in business &#8211; barely.  </p>
<p>Deregulation turned the business into a real crap shoot. You could start an airline with leased aircraft, contract maintenance, and low-cost pilots. Those airlines could undercut the legacy carriers, but as they grew, they began to have to accumulate the same kind of overhead as the legacy outfits. Only a few (Southwest and Spirit) have had staying power. It&#8217;s a tough business.</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/22/open-thread-6-22-22/#comment-2629561</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 14:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A trifecta

https://mobile.twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/1539977165269254146?cxt=HHwWhICyodPEjN8qAAAA]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A trifecta</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/22/open-thread-6-22-22/#comment-2629560</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 14:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/22/open-thread-6-22-22/#comment-2629559</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 14:40:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/22/open-thread-6-22-22/#comment-2629555</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 14:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;In fact, Biden received more popular votes than ANY presidential candidate in American history.&lt;/i&gt;

Even more telling, Trump received more votes than any PREVIOUS candidate in US History. 

Also seems pretty relevant:
Trump had no issue getting people to come to his rallies.

Biden usually managed no more than a handful. 

Also seems relevant: 
Analysis of many precincts that seemed hinky showed that, despite those precincts being shifted towards republicans since 2016+ (i.e., hypothetically, for illustration: 2016 -- Makeup was 54% dem, 42% GOP. 2020 -- Makeup was 48% Dem, 49% GOP -- the precinct had many more GOP than before). Despite that shift in many places, Biden got more votes than Hillary in 2016. And this is in those &quot;disputable&quot; areas such as Pennsylvania in particular.


None of this is proof. But, as Thoreau said: “Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk.”


The preponderance of &quot;Things that make you go, &#039;Hmmmm...&#039;&quot; in this last election is, all totaled, enough to make anyone with an open mind go, &quot;Holy MACKEREL!!&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>In fact, Biden received more popular votes than ANY presidential candidate in American history.</i></p>
<p>Even more telling, Trump received more votes than any PREVIOUS candidate in US History. </p>
<p>Also seems pretty relevant:<br />
Trump had no issue getting people to come to his rallies.</p>
<p>Biden usually managed no more than a handful. </p>
<p>Also seems relevant:<br />
Analysis of many precincts that seemed hinky showed that, despite those precincts being shifted towards republicans since 2016+ (i.e., hypothetically, for illustration: 2016 &#8212; Makeup was 54% dem, 42% GOP. 2020 &#8212; Makeup was 48% Dem, 49% GOP &#8212; the precinct had many more GOP than before). Despite that shift in many places, Biden got more votes than Hillary in 2016. And this is in those &#8220;disputable&#8221; areas such as Pennsylvania in particular.</p>
<p>None of this is proof. But, as Thoreau said: “Some circumstantial evidence is very strong, as when you find a trout in the milk.”</p>
<p>The preponderance of &#8220;Things that make you go, &#8216;Hmmmm&#8230;'&#8221; in this last election is, all totaled, enough to make anyone with an open mind go, &#8220;Holy MACKEREL!!&#8221;</p>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/22/open-thread-6-22-22/#comment-2629548</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 13:34:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: Miguel cervantes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/22/open-thread-6-22-22/#comment-2629547</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Miguel cervantes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 13:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Doubleplus good

https://mobile.twitter.com/RichieMcGinniss/status/1539666278335451136

Barely an inconvenience]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doubleplus good</p>
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<p>Barely an inconvenience</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 12:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[NASA jumps on the UAP/UFO bandwagon.

Everybody seems to be agog at the fact that NASA has announced that it, too, will be studying UFOs.

However a closer look discloses that their study is more apparent than real, and they won&#039;t actually be studying UFOs, rather, they will be looking for sources of data on UFOs.

NASA claims that there is a “paucity of observations” (presumably of the quality that they demand)  and, therefore, their study--of only 9 months duration and only funded to the tune of “up to $100,000,”--will “identify available data,” “determine the best way to collect new data,” and “determine how NASA can then use that data.”

So where will the people performing this NASA study look for this “available” data?

It seems to me that there are tons of data that has already been collected, and new data is coming in all the time.

There is data gathered by civilian organizations like MUFON and the National UFO Reporting Center and, then, there is data that has been gathered by DOD, for instance by ATIP,  and Lou Elizondo has said that there are new observations coming in from military sources every day. 

(It is said that DOD actually has 70 years worth of UFO observations, hidden away somewhere. True?)

According to what has been said about the contract research Robert Bigelow&#039;s aerospace company was doing for DOD in the AAWSAP program, one thing they did was to create a very sophisticated database, one that was international in scope, and contained 200,000 UFO reports.  What about this data? 

No mention in the NASA announcement of tapping classified data so, where will they look, and will their standards for what constitutes “data” be so high that nothing available today will qualify as “data.” * 

*  As an aside, Avi Loeb says that the Galileo Project is taking the approach that they do not want to look at any classified government or other previously collected data but, instead, want to collect their own data, using their own instruments, and will make their results public.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NASA jumps on the UAP/UFO bandwagon.</p>
<p>Everybody seems to be agog at the fact that NASA has announced that it, too, will be studying UFOs.</p>
<p>However a closer look discloses that their study is more apparent than real, and they won&#8217;t actually be studying UFOs, rather, they will be looking for sources of data on UFOs.</p>
<p>NASA claims that there is a “paucity of observations” (presumably of the quality that they demand)  and, therefore, their study&#8211;of only 9 months duration and only funded to the tune of “up to $100,000,”&#8211;will “identify available data,” “determine the best way to collect new data,” and “determine how NASA can then use that data.”</p>
<p>So where will the people performing this NASA study look for this “available” data?</p>
<p>It seems to me that there are tons of data that has already been collected, and new data is coming in all the time.</p>
<p>There is data gathered by civilian organizations like MUFON and the National UFO Reporting Center and, then, there is data that has been gathered by DOD, for instance by ATIP,  and Lou Elizondo has said that there are new observations coming in from military sources every day. </p>
<p>(It is said that DOD actually has 70 years worth of UFO observations, hidden away somewhere. True?)</p>
<p>According to what has been said about the contract research Robert Bigelow&#8217;s aerospace company was doing for DOD in the AAWSAP program, one thing they did was to create a very sophisticated database, one that was international in scope, and contained 200,000 UFO reports.  What about this data? </p>
<p>No mention in the NASA announcement of tapping classified data so, where will they look, and will their standards for what constitutes “data” be so high that nothing available today will qualify as “data.” * </p>
<p>*  As an aside, Avi Loeb says that the Galileo Project is taking the approach that they do not want to look at any classified government or other previously collected data but, instead, want to collect their own data, using their own instruments, and will make their results public.</p>
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		By: Molly+Brown		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2022 07:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bruce Hayden,
When I used to walk my dog in bear country (British Columbia), like everyone else, I wore a &#039;Bear Bell&#039;.  They don&#039;t want to run into us anymore than we want to run into them!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bruce Hayden,<br />
When I used to walk my dog in bear country (British Columbia), like everyone else, I wore a &#8216;Bear Bell&#8217;.  They don&#8217;t want to run into us anymore than we want to run into them!</p>
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