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Links and Comments | Rockport Conservatives — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 20:32:41 +0000

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By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 18:09:44 +0000

“police entered the other door” doesn’t happen on little cat feet.
Eventually, there’d be an exchange of fire and Ramos would be dead. Unlikely any kids’ lives would be saved.

By: Brian E

Brian E — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 17:18:04 +0000

Regarding my comments about breeching both doors, I saw a crude drawing of the way the classrooms were configured.
Both doors were only about 6 feet apart with a dividing wall centered between the two doors. There was a fixed opening of about 6 feet halfway down that dividing wall.
Neo had described a bathroom connecting the two rooms, the drawing showed the a bathroom at one end of the hall serving all the classrooms on that wing.
It wouldn’t have gained much advantage to make noise like one door was going to be the entry point, drawing the attention of the shooter, while police entered the other door. The shooter would only have been 6-8 feet from the door.

By: Beth Donovan

Beth Donovan — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 16:47:48 +0000

It would be nice if the Congress would wait long enough to get the full data uI’m before proposing restrictions on our rights.

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 03:38:30 +0000

GB. Yes. One direction at a time. “time” defined by the amount of it passing while moving the barrel maybe ninety degrees right to left and then the reverse, with a couple of rounds each way.
I can’t claim combat experience. I was on orders and, with a couple of months to due in country, my brother was killed so I didn’t go.
But, being an Infantry officer coming up through Basic, AIT, and OCS, plus training troops in Infantry AIT for six months, I’ve handled a lot of small arms….a lot.
The M16 is extraordinarily handy. Not only light, but the balance is closer to the body than in battle rifles, which means easier to make major deflection changes–a term not used for personal weapons but maybe drawing a picture here–you think and it points.
Such civilian offshoots look to be the same or, if shorter like the M4 is shorter, even handier.
It’s almost like having a wooden yard stick in your hands in terms of moving it around.
Point is, Ramos could put fire on both doors, taking less than a second to change the point of aim. The issue would be what of the adjoining room/passageway would obstruct his move or line of fire. Might have to step right one step, left one step. Young guy can do that pretty quickly.
Each breaching team is going to take hits. What that prospect is supposed to mean to them is another issue. Point here is…another bullet not made of silver. Nice idea, though.

By: om

om — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 01:16:25 +0000

Geoffrey:

No apology for me?

As you know, if you read. I’ve not been jumping to conclusions.

Details are finally comming out, knowns are being established. The truth will out.

By: Geoffrey Britain

Geoffrey Britain — Wed, 22 Jun 2022 00:41:19 +0000

neo,

I was referring to om.

By: Brian E

Brian E — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 22:42:18 +0000

Richard Aubrey,
He still could only fire one direction at a time– and that’s assuming he would have had sightlines to the doors of both classrooms.
But even if he had, breeching both doors would have forced him to choose one direction of fire.

This whole incident is a tragedy on top of a tragedy.

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 22:39:08 +0000

Brian
One report had Ramos actually within the connecting passageway.
I’d want to see the entire layout Including sight lines from the doors’ windows to get an idea what whether Ramos might have thought that was the best spot. Lots we don’t/won’t know and it probably changed by the minute.

By: Brian E

Brian E — Tue, 21 Jun 2022 21:33:48 +0000

For a minute, let’s assume that Arrendondo was trying to find the key to the classroom door where the shooter had barricaded himself (if in fact barricaded is the right description).
Why didn’t the police, with the armor they had breech the classroom door to the connected classroom? Once the shooter’s attention was drawn to the classroom where LE were entering to engage the shooter, the second door could have been breached.
I haven’t heard there was any attempt to divert attention away from the primary classroom where the shooter was. Or, was be actively moving between the two rooms? if that was the case, they would only need to draw fire from the shooter to know which room he was in.
There were certainly plenty of armed LE and at least 2 shields which would deflect the .223 round from the shooter.
What am I missing here?