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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/20/lia-thomas-olympic-hopes-are-dashed/#comment-2629799</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2022 17:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;the generally accepted term t-woman&quot; - I don&#039;t think that t-she and t-her are used at all.

The language needs to change, and is going to change, but t-she wants to swim and win against t-her real women competitors is soon going to be a a choice Lia stops having in international competitions.  But I doubt t-she wants to be written up as anything other than a &quot;she&quot; - but t-she, or q&#039;she, is NOT, in biological fact, a real woman, a real &quot;she&quot;.

Democrats lie - and now are trying to make the language lie.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;the generally accepted term t-woman&#8221; &#8211; I don&#8217;t think that t-she and t-her are used at all.</p>
<p>The language needs to change, and is going to change, but t-she wants to swim and win against t-her real women competitors is soon going to be a a choice Lia stops having in international competitions.  But I doubt t-she wants to be written up as anything other than a &#8220;she&#8221; &#8211; but t-she, or q&#8217;she, is NOT, in biological fact, a real woman, a real &#8220;she&#8221;.</p>
<p>Democrats lie &#8211; and now are trying to make the language lie.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2022 05:14:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s some background for that BB video. 

https://notthebee.com/article/a-school-renamed-its-womens-center-to-be-a-womxns-center-but-its-unsure-if-the-term-is-truly-inclusive-because-blind-people-will-still-hear-it-pronounced-women]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s some background for that BB video. </p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/a-school-renamed-its-womens-center-to-be-a-womxns-center-but-its-unsure-if-the-term-is-truly-inclusive-because-blind-people-will-still-hear-it-pronounced-women" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/a-school-renamed-its-womens-center-to-be-a-womxns-center-but-its-unsure-if-the-term-is-truly-inclusive-because-blind-people-will-still-hear-it-pronounced-women</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/20/lia-thomas-olympic-hopes-are-dashed/#comment-2629328</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2022 05:05:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Spelling Bee Contestant Asks The Definition of “Woman”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnQTzhVgl8

That&#039;s Babylon Bee, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spelling Bee Contestant Asks The Definition of “Woman”</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnQTzhVgl8" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mnQTzhVgl8</a></p>
<p>That&#8217;s Babylon Bee, of course.</p>
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		By: Sam L.		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/20/lia-thomas-olympic-hopes-are-dashed/#comment-2629198</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sam L.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2022 16:34:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does Lia Thomas have a beard?  (Inquiring minds...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Lia Thomas have a beard?  (Inquiring minds&#8230;)</p>
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		By: JTW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/06/20/lia-thomas-olympic-hopes-are-dashed/#comment-2629172</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JTW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2022 14:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot; I call Lia a q’woman (from quasi-woman)&quot;

Or you could use the generally accepted term t-woman, short for transwoman.
That&#039;s the term most actual transgender (mtf) people use, as it&#039;s both descriptive and non-offensive.

I don&#039;t subscribe to the million pronouns idiocy that you seem to want to be a part of.
If Lia (or any transwomen) is far enough in her transition that she can pass as a woman in general company, I&#039;ve no problem addressing her as such. If he can&#039;t, she shouldn&#039;t be offended if people address him as a man.
And though there may be some mental anguish if you&#039;re recognised as your biological sex despite all the efforts you put in to look like the opposite, I wouldn&#039;t think most actual (rather than activist/fake) transgender people would mind all that much (though they sure would appreciate the courtesy of you using their trans identity rather than the biological one if you notice they are on that path).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I call Lia a q’woman (from quasi-woman)&#8221;</p>
<p>Or you could use the generally accepted term t-woman, short for transwoman.<br />
That&#8217;s the term most actual transgender (mtf) people use, as it&#8217;s both descriptive and non-offensive.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t subscribe to the million pronouns idiocy that you seem to want to be a part of.<br />
If Lia (or any transwomen) is far enough in her transition that she can pass as a woman in general company, I&#8217;ve no problem addressing her as such. If he can&#8217;t, she shouldn&#8217;t be offended if people address him as a man.<br />
And though there may be some mental anguish if you&#8217;re recognised as your biological sex despite all the efforts you put in to look like the opposite, I wouldn&#8217;t think most actual (rather than activist/fake) transgender people would mind all that much (though they sure would appreciate the courtesy of you using their trans identity rather than the biological one if you notice they are on that path).</p>
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		By: Tom Grey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tom Grey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2022 13:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;This is a one-way street on which only males-to-females have an advantage.&quot;

In all athletics involving strength, top XY athletes are far better than top XX athletes.

Lia Thomas might stop being a &quot;man&quot;, but rejecting that doesn&#039;t make q&#039;her a real woman.  With our reality being that some individuals can reject the normal gender of their biological sex, we need words for such people.  

My kids are good with mtf and ftm, but they don&#039;t fit in grammatically.  I call Lia a q&#039;woman (from quasi-woman), and q&#039;her other pronoun of q&#039;she, since q&#039;she&#039;s a q&#039;woman.

In computerese, the &quot;!&quot; exclamation point is called bang.  It is used to signify the click in African clicking languages - so I wouldn&#039;t call !her a !woman.  Perhaps n&#039;she would prefer to be a n&#039;woman (not quite a woman).

A woman is an XX female who calls herself a woman, a man is an XY male who calls himself a man.  Other people, trans people, are not real men nor real women.  

But they&#039;re really something.

I&#039;m really glad none will be swimming in international competitions against real women.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is a one-way street on which only males-to-females have an advantage.&#8221;</p>
<p>In all athletics involving strength, top XY athletes are far better than top XX athletes.</p>
<p>Lia Thomas might stop being a &#8220;man&#8221;, but rejecting that doesn&#8217;t make q&#8217;her a real woman.  With our reality being that some individuals can reject the normal gender of their biological sex, we need words for such people.  </p>
<p>My kids are good with mtf and ftm, but they don&#8217;t fit in grammatically.  I call Lia a q&#8217;woman (from quasi-woman), and q&#8217;her other pronoun of q&#8217;she, since q&#8217;she&#8217;s a q&#8217;woman.</p>
<p>In computerese, the &#8220;!&#8221; exclamation point is called bang.  It is used to signify the click in African clicking languages &#8211; so I wouldn&#8217;t call !her a !woman.  Perhaps n&#8217;she would prefer to be a n&#8217;woman (not quite a woman).</p>
<p>A woman is an XX female who calls herself a woman, a man is an XY male who calls himself a man.  Other people, trans people, are not real men nor real women.  </p>
<p>But they&#8217;re really something.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really glad none will be swimming in international competitions against real women.</p>
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		By: JTW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JTW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2022 13:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;“unless they had “transitioned” before the age of 12”

Why not 11yr 11 month?
Why not 12yr 1 month?
Seems … arbitrary&quot;

it isn&#039;t. In sane countries it&#039;s illegal to provide puberty blockers before the age of 12.
Therefore no transition can start before the age of 12, therefore it&#039;s impossible to have any mtf transgender people compete.

E.g. in the Netherlands (which countries&#039; regulations I&#039;m intimately familiar with), the rules say the following:
1) no puberty blockers to be prescribed before the age of 12
2) no hormone replacement therapy to be started before the age of 16
3) no gender reassignment surgery to be scheduled before a) the age of 18 AND b) having lived full time as the target gender for at least 2 years under supervision of a psychologist or psychiatrist.
4) None of these steps to be undertaken without the approval of a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist (so you need a mental health professional to refer you to an endocrinologist and later a surgeon, and without that referral those doctors can&#039;t legally treat you)
5) said psychologist or psychiatrist needs to approve any request to have the person&#039;s legal name and gender changed (so Jimmy can&#039;t just call himself Jane and now join the women&#039;s competition and have his passport changed, a psychologist MUST sign off on this and they stand to lose their medical license if they do so too often erroneously).

This has several consequences:
1) the number of &#039;fad transgender people&#039; is very low, as the entry requirements to the transgender community in the country are very high
2) it&#039;s exclusively adults who receive the full treatment, and very few minors get approved even for medication because of the standards to which doctors are held
3) for adults finding out they are transgender (or after decades of denying it to themselves finally can&#039;t do so any longer) the hurdles are extreme and many have severe mental health problems of other nature (anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, etc.) as a result. Problems that often go untreated because of
4) the waiting lists are very long to get any mental health treatment/counseling at all. More often than not you can expect to wait at least half a year before your first appointment with a specialised mental health professional even after referral by a general practice mental health professional, an appointment with which tier can take several months to arrange as well. Which leads to 
5) the suicide rate among mental health patients awaiting treatment is high, which is no doubt something the government doesn&#039;t mind at all as it keeps cost down (patient dead, budget not exceeded...).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;“unless they had “transitioned” before the age of 12”</p>
<p>Why not 11yr 11 month?<br />
Why not 12yr 1 month?<br />
Seems … arbitrary&#8221;</p>
<p>it isn&#8217;t. In sane countries it&#8217;s illegal to provide puberty blockers before the age of 12.<br />
Therefore no transition can start before the age of 12, therefore it&#8217;s impossible to have any mtf transgender people compete.</p>
<p>E.g. in the Netherlands (which countries&#8217; regulations I&#8217;m intimately familiar with), the rules say the following:<br />
1) no puberty blockers to be prescribed before the age of 12<br />
2) no hormone replacement therapy to be started before the age of 16<br />
3) no gender reassignment surgery to be scheduled before a) the age of 18 AND b) having lived full time as the target gender for at least 2 years under supervision of a psychologist or psychiatrist.<br />
4) None of these steps to be undertaken without the approval of a qualified psychologist or psychiatrist (so you need a mental health professional to refer you to an endocrinologist and later a surgeon, and without that referral those doctors can&#8217;t legally treat you)<br />
5) said psychologist or psychiatrist needs to approve any request to have the person&#8217;s legal name and gender changed (so Jimmy can&#8217;t just call himself Jane and now join the women&#8217;s competition and have his passport changed, a psychologist MUST sign off on this and they stand to lose their medical license if they do so too often erroneously).</p>
<p>This has several consequences:<br />
1) the number of &#8216;fad transgender people&#8217; is very low, as the entry requirements to the transgender community in the country are very high<br />
2) it&#8217;s exclusively adults who receive the full treatment, and very few minors get approved even for medication because of the standards to which doctors are held<br />
3) for adults finding out they are transgender (or after decades of denying it to themselves finally can&#8217;t do so any longer) the hurdles are extreme and many have severe mental health problems of other nature (anxiety, depression, schizophrenia, etc.) as a result. Problems that often go untreated because of<br />
4) the waiting lists are very long to get any mental health treatment/counseling at all. More often than not you can expect to wait at least half a year before your first appointment with a specialised mental health professional even after referral by a general practice mental health professional, an appointment with which tier can take several months to arrange as well. Which leads to<br />
5) the suicide rate among mental health patients awaiting treatment is high, which is no doubt something the government doesn&#8217;t mind at all as it keeps cost down (patient dead, budget not exceeded&#8230;).</p>
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		By: Kris		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2022 11:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;That last sentence is pretty darn funny, because I’m not aware of any female-to-male transitioners who would be competitive in men’s sports a high level. This is a one-way street on which only males-to-females have an advantage.&quot;

And, that right there is the pink elephant in the room. It was NEVER about inclusion or sexual identity.

I&#039;m happy with, in basically EVERY sport, Open, then increasing levels of filtering / restrictions (e.g., age, weight, experience, handicap / rating (golf / chess) are all commonly accepted ways of creating classes / divisions). Maing a non-open class based not unaltered male at puberty (though that does sound way more complicated than &#039;dimple&#039; XX division). An XX division might also address other controversial cases like the (South African (?)) runner who competed with women but has elevated T due to non-typical genotype.

Of course, the mental duress of reaffirming that people like Thomas aren&#039;t, in fact, XX is a bridge too far in these (Heinleinian) crazy years.

Huh, going to back to chess, why aren&#039;t the very best chess players distributed more equally among genotypes? It&#039;s almost like there are real differences between the genotypes, either in aptitude OR interest (a distinction without a difference? Maybe).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;That last sentence is pretty darn funny, because I’m not aware of any female-to-male transitioners who would be competitive in men’s sports a high level. This is a one-way street on which only males-to-females have an advantage.&#8221;</p>
<p>And, that right there is the pink elephant in the room. It was NEVER about inclusion or sexual identity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m happy with, in basically EVERY sport, Open, then increasing levels of filtering / restrictions (e.g., age, weight, experience, handicap / rating (golf / chess) are all commonly accepted ways of creating classes / divisions). Maing a non-open class based not unaltered male at puberty (though that does sound way more complicated than &#8216;dimple&#8217; XX division). An XX division might also address other controversial cases like the (South African (?)) runner who competed with women but has elevated T due to non-typical genotype.</p>
<p>Of course, the mental duress of reaffirming that people like Thomas aren&#8217;t, in fact, XX is a bridge too far in these (Heinleinian) crazy years.</p>
<p>Huh, going to back to chess, why aren&#8217;t the very best chess players distributed more equally among genotypes? It&#8217;s almost like there are real differences between the genotypes, either in aptitude OR interest (a distinction without a difference? Maybe).</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2022 06:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...I really doubt it will extend much further...&quot;

Hold on, though:
&quot;Transgender athletes could be banned from track and field next, as World Athletics president Sebastian Coe backs FINA’s ruling as being ‘in the best interests of sport’ because ‘biology trumps gender’&quot;---
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10934773/World-Athletics-president-Sebastian-Coe-backs-FINAs-ruling-transgender-athletes-banned.html
Also...
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/athletics-sebastian-coe-fifa-watching-fina-transgender-rules/101169362]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;I really doubt it will extend much further&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Hold on, though:<br />
&#8220;Transgender athletes could be banned from track and field next, as World Athletics president Sebastian Coe backs FINA’s ruling as being ‘in the best interests of sport’ because ‘biology trumps gender’&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10934773/World-Athletics-president-Sebastian-Coe-backs-FINAs-ruling-transgender-athletes-banned.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-10934773/World-Athletics-president-Sebastian-Coe-backs-FINAs-ruling-transgender-athletes-banned.html</a><br />
Also&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/athletics-sebastian-coe-fifa-watching-fina-transgender-rules/101169362" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-21/athletics-sebastian-coe-fifa-watching-fina-transgender-rules/101169362</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2022 06:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See, there&#039;s this thing called &quot;puberty&quot;.
You know, hormones, testosterone, that sort of stuff.
Kicks in around 12-13, but these things can vary.

So you&#039;re right.
FINA shoulda just said, around the time of your bar (or bat) mitzvah.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, there&#8217;s this thing called &#8220;puberty&#8221;.<br />
You know, hormones, testosterone, that sort of stuff.<br />
Kicks in around 12-13, but these things can vary.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;re right.<br />
FINA shoulda just said, around the time of your bar (or bat) mitzvah.</p>
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