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		By: ObloodyHell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2626101</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;Makes this sound more like premeditated rather than sudden rage.&lt;/i&gt;

I disagree. Etude may have merely meant to confront, but when he fully realized the deception, he may have easily lost it. 

I believe blacks, in particular, have a strong group aversion to homosexuality, and even if not (Either did not apply to Etude or I am simply wrong), this is still a major line to cross with &lt;b&gt;all&lt;/b&gt; men -- a very serious one. 

Such deception is inexcusable, and Smith clearly knew it, and knew it was considered a personal outrage offense. You do not grow up among men and NOT understand this. Education and experience may temper the reaction, but Etude had neither of those, being young and a fairly new student in college.

Hence: I don&#039;t think that calling it &quot;murder&quot; is appropriate. At this point, from the evidence presented here (I did not read articles), I would say manslaughter is what it should have been. The beating was no doubt rage induced IMNSHO. YES: very much over the top, inexcusably so, but killing Smith need not have been the goal.

I more than amply agree, the transgression did not deserve death, but, on the other hand, yeah, to me, Smith certainly earned a beating. That&#039;s crossing a line even for trans. You are wholly misrepresenting yourself to the extent that you clearly are concerned they may reject you if you were known to not be a female, and you KNOW THIS.

I think the beating should be far more measured, not to break bones, but certainly to induce a degree of misery. 

The real problem there is that that may not discourage, but encourage, the perp, given that no doubt some of them experience guilt between religious teachings and inherent predilections, and may feel as though &quot;they deserve it&quot;. They kinda do, but that sort of masochism isn&#039;t healthy at all. Any such beating should be educational, not penance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>Makes this sound more like premeditated rather than sudden rage.</i></p>
<p>I disagree. Etude may have merely meant to confront, but when he fully realized the deception, he may have easily lost it. </p>
<p>I believe blacks, in particular, have a strong group aversion to homosexuality, and even if not (Either did not apply to Etude or I am simply wrong), this is still a major line to cross with <b>all</b> men &#8212; a very serious one. </p>
<p>Such deception is inexcusable, and Smith clearly knew it, and knew it was considered a personal outrage offense. You do not grow up among men and NOT understand this. Education and experience may temper the reaction, but Etude had neither of those, being young and a fairly new student in college.</p>
<p>Hence: I don&#8217;t think that calling it &#8220;murder&#8221; is appropriate. At this point, from the evidence presented here (I did not read articles), I would say manslaughter is what it should have been. The beating was no doubt rage induced IMNSHO. YES: very much over the top, inexcusably so, but killing Smith need not have been the goal.</p>
<p>I more than amply agree, the transgression did not deserve death, but, on the other hand, yeah, to me, Smith certainly earned a beating. That&#8217;s crossing a line even for trans. You are wholly misrepresenting yourself to the extent that you clearly are concerned they may reject you if you were known to not be a female, and you KNOW THIS.</p>
<p>I think the beating should be far more measured, not to break bones, but certainly to induce a degree of misery. </p>
<p>The real problem there is that that may not discourage, but encourage, the perp, given that no doubt some of them experience guilt between religious teachings and inherent predilections, and may feel as though &#8220;they deserve it&#8221;. They kinda do, but that sort of masochism isn&#8217;t healthy at all. Any such beating should be educational, not penance.</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2626007</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2022 00:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Btw -- a black in America is 10-12 times more likely to murder a white than vice versa. Can you imagine the screams of outrage if anyone ever publicized that fact? And how fast the cancelling would take place of the person who shared it.

As someone who advocated for civil rights back in the day when it was actually dangerous (and received the death threats by phone and mail), it is sad and frightening to see all the work flushed down the drain. Thank the Democrats and their minions. 

Obama&#039;s sponsors, Ayers and Dohrn and friends, actively worked to try to incite race wars in America. Their ideological bedfellows are still at it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw &#8212; a black in America is 10-12 times more likely to murder a white than vice versa. Can you imagine the screams of outrage if anyone ever publicized that fact? And how fast the cancelling would take place of the person who shared it.</p>
<p>As someone who advocated for civil rights back in the day when it was actually dangerous (and received the death threats by phone and mail), it is sad and frightening to see all the work flushed down the drain. Thank the Democrats and their minions. </p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s sponsors, Ayers and Dohrn and friends, actively worked to try to incite race wars in America. Their ideological bedfellows are still at it.</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2626005</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2022 00:22:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The news media almost never covers murders by black offenders.  See e.g. the murder of a girl that went to my kids&#039; high school and her boyfriend. As nasty, vicious, and evil as any you will ever hear about. The national news media refused to cover it. Reverse the races and the victims would be more famous than Trayvon, Michael Brown and George Floyd.

https://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/08/13/the-gruesome-story-of-a-murdered-tennessee-couple-you-may-have-never-heard-about-but-that-you-will-never-forget]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The news media almost never covers murders by black offenders.  See e.g. the murder of a girl that went to my kids&#8217; high school and her boyfriend. As nasty, vicious, and evil as any you will ever hear about. The national news media refused to cover it. Reverse the races and the victims would be more famous than Trayvon, Michael Brown and George Floyd.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/08/13/the-gruesome-story-of-a-murdered-tennessee-couple-you-may-have-never-heard-about-but-that-you-will-never-forget" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theblaze.com/news/2013/08/13/the-gruesome-story-of-a-murdered-tennessee-couple-you-may-have-never-heard-about-but-that-you-will-never-forget</a></p>
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		By: stan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2626002</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jun 2022 00:14:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;What’s curious is that it happened in Montgomery County, Va., which is only 4% black.&quot;

I suspect that makes the verdict more understandable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What’s curious is that it happened in Montgomery County, Va., which is only 4% black.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suspect that makes the verdict more understandable.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2625940</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 19:14:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate:

I&#039;ve read that one of the hazards of being a prostitute - especially of the streetwalker type - is the higher risk of being murdered by a john who gets angry or is already angry and out to kill.

It does seem that Etute (no &quot;d&quot; in his name) went back to Smith&#039;s place already angry.  Smith probably had the knife for self-protection.  Smith was playing a dangerous game, but in no way does that justify what Etute did.  Was the story that Smith was reaching for something even true? We have no way of knowing because the only evidence is from the perp and/or his friends who weren&#039;t in the room.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read that one of the hazards of being a prostitute &#8211; especially of the streetwalker type &#8211; is the higher risk of being murdered by a john who gets angry or is already angry and out to kill.</p>
<p>It does seem that Etute (no &#8220;d&#8221; in his name) went back to Smith&#8217;s place already angry.  Smith probably had the knife for self-protection.  Smith was playing a dangerous game, but in no way does that justify what Etute did.  Was the story that Smith was reaching for something even true? We have no way of knowing because the only evidence is from the perp and/or his friends who weren&#8217;t in the room.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2625909</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 11:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[According to the linked stories, Etude went to the second appointment because he  wasn&#039;t convinced Smith was a woman, and pulled out his phone&#039;s flashlight and pulled back Smith&#039;s hoodie to learn the truth. Smith lunged for what Etude thought would be gun under the mattress, and Etude beat him to a pulp. Makes this sound more like premeditated rather than sudden rage. It would be interesting to know if jurors were Va Tech employees or academics.

There have been a couple of cases in the Charlotte area of transgender prostitutes being killed by enraged customers. I think in those cases both prostitutes and customers were black.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the linked stories, Etude went to the second appointment because he  wasn&#8217;t convinced Smith was a woman, and pulled out his phone&#8217;s flashlight and pulled back Smith&#8217;s hoodie to learn the truth. Smith lunged for what Etude thought would be gun under the mattress, and Etude beat him to a pulp. Makes this sound more like premeditated rather than sudden rage. It would be interesting to know if jurors were Va Tech employees or academics.</p>
<p>There have been a couple of cases in the Charlotte area of transgender prostitutes being killed by enraged customers. I think in those cases both prostitutes and customers were black.</p>
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		By: Ira M. Siegel		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2625886</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 04:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My understanding is that there was in fact a knife under the mattress of Smith&#039;s bed.  One could infer that Smith was expecting that one of his sexual partners just might become dangerously enraged if he (i.e., Smith&#039;s sexual partner) discovered Smith&#039;s ruse.

Once we accept as reasonable, which it is, that a duped sexual partner might &lt;b&gt;naturally&lt;/b&gt; become enraged, I think we have to accept the fact that such an enraged person might deliver an explosive series of punches and kicks that would not stop until after the perpetrator (i.e., the fraudster) was non-responsive.

By broad analogy, what Smith did was like pointing even a replica gun at a bunch of police officers.  Once Smith duped Etute, it was as if Smith set Etute on automatic pilot.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My understanding is that there was in fact a knife under the mattress of Smith&#8217;s bed.  One could infer that Smith was expecting that one of his sexual partners just might become dangerously enraged if he (i.e., Smith&#8217;s sexual partner) discovered Smith&#8217;s ruse.</p>
<p>Once we accept as reasonable, which it is, that a duped sexual partner might <b>naturally</b> become enraged, I think we have to accept the fact that such an enraged person might deliver an explosive series of punches and kicks that would not stop until after the perpetrator (i.e., the fraudster) was non-responsive.</p>
<p>By broad analogy, what Smith did was like pointing even a replica gun at a bunch of police officers.  Once Smith duped Etute, it was as if Smith set Etute on automatic pilot.</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2625867</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 02:35:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Does anyone know how many jurors in the Etute case were male and how many female? If the transgender apologists are correct (and I&#039;m &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; saying they are), male jurors are supposedly more likely to excuse the murder of a transgender prostitute on the grounds that the defendant was justifiably provoked to rage.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know how many jurors in the Etute case were male and how many female? If the transgender apologists are correct (and I&#8217;m <i>not</i> saying they are), male jurors are supposedly more likely to excuse the murder of a transgender prostitute on the grounds that the defendant was justifiably provoked to rage.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2625864</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 02:20:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A critic of the decision said the jury elected to treat the defendant as above criticism but beneath agency.

What&#039;s curious is that it happened in Montgomery County, Va., which is only 4% black.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A critic of the decision said the jury elected to treat the defendant as above criticism but beneath agency.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s curious is that it happened in Montgomery County, Va., which is only 4% black.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/31/the-etute-trial/#comment-2625851</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jun 2022 01:32:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Race was indeed the biggest factor, as convicting Etude would be &#039;proof&#039; of the jury&#039;s racism. Etude&#039;s &#039;understandable&#039; outrage at Smith&#039;s deceit was rationalized by the jury as justification for murder. The knife is window dressing for Etude&#039;s lawyers claim of self-defense. 
 
The truth of it is obvious. Had the races been reversed, it would have been national news beaten to death by the mass media.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Race was indeed the biggest factor, as convicting Etude would be &#8216;proof&#8217; of the jury&#8217;s racism. Etude&#8217;s &#8216;understandable&#8217; outrage at Smith&#8217;s deceit was rationalized by the jury as justification for murder. The knife is window dressing for Etude&#8217;s lawyers claim of self-defense. </p>
<p>The truth of it is obvious. Had the races been reversed, it would have been national news beaten to death by the mass media.</p>
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