(It’s why Flipper was female, actually several females—also less marked up by guy fights…)

Sorry to hear about the rowdiness, though. No doubt every species has its delinquents…

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fires-human-rights-chief-perpetuating-russian-troop-systematic-rape-stories

Your conclusions rest on a mountain of assumptions without evidence. Links are important, facts are important, and you are assuming things without knowing, and then concluding things that might not be true.

Yes, they might be true. But I see no reason to believe they are until I see better evidence than you’ve amassed. And I’m not talking about evidence as in a court of law under a rule that the evidence of guilt must be beyond a reasonable doubt. Right now it’s not even close; there simply isn’t nearly enough evidence, and what we think we have is very faulty.

I’m not just throwing out fevered accusations, but rather examining the actions of what Ive read and contrasting them with reasoned examination. We may never ‘know’ exactly all of the particulars but when the basics point in one direction, critically important extenuating circumstances must emerge to change those basics. Indeed, just the other day you stated that it looked increasingly bad the more you learned…

You’re right that the veracity of reports is always questionable. Most especially the media’s and including reports from the ‘authorities’. Even when they wish to be forthright, often ‘political considerations’ preclude honesty and even actually offer real disinformation, designed to protect vested interests.

The more corrupt the societal institution, the more untrustworthy they become.

Thanks for that Kate. I heard something new about that back door, but your article is more informative and is astounding. It makes sense to me as I said previously, that if the teacher is going to run back inside while running away from gunfire, then she is highly likely to close that door.

What to make of the fact that the door did not lock? That the teacher claims that she expected the door to lock when she closed it?

Once again, we do NOT know what you say we know.

We know some cops – how many? – were outside the building and parents were trying to get in and also screaming that the officers should go in. Those parents didn’t know what was going on with the officers already inside the building. They didn’t know if any were inside and how many were inside and what they were doing and not doing. All they knew is that the children hadn’t been rescued yet, and the parents were desperate and angry – understandably so. But the extent of the parents’ knowledge of events inside was small.

As is YOURS, although yours is a little bigger than theirs was, because you have the benefit of reports in the time since the events occurred. And that is true for all of us at this point. We now know more than those parents did, but not all that much more.

We hopefully will learn more as time goes on, but for now we don’t know the timeline of when each group of officers arrived inside, what they tried, what they failed to try and why, and what resources they had access to. You write: “We also know that the cops in the building were simply standing outside the door.” And you know that how? You saw video? I watched the press conferences and have read countless articles, and I have seen nothing that answers my questions about what was actually happening or not happening, with a detailed and specific enough timeline. Nor have you offered a single link with more detailed information that answers my questions. It’s my impression that that’s because no such link exists.

What we know is that many witnesses have repeatedly stated that the cops outside stood around at leisure doing nothing substantive.
So much so that parents were screaming at the cops to “do something!” So much so that some parents were so frustrated with the cops inaction that the cops in reaction to that frustration tackled and handcuffed one parent and pepper sprayed and arrested another.

We also know that the cops in the building were simply standing outside the door. Presumably waiting for orders of what next to do. Perhaps they were waiting for shields but if so, that was a decision to allow the slaughter to continue out of a concern for their personal safety because in that situation, just following orders doesn’t cut it.

Again, those cops had other options than waiting for a shield(s) and entering through one door. Even then the Border Swat team had to disobey the order to stand down. That is not the MO of police desiring to confront a killer to save the lives of children.

Getting the key was the simplest and fastest way to enter to engage the killer. Entering through both entrances is obvious and firing through the window(s) in multiple vectors of attack gave the cops the best chance to take out the killer with a reasonable degree of risk to themselves. Being a cop carries the acceptance of deadly risk.

Every minute they delayed shortened the minutes remaining to any children that might yet be saved.

Those are not assumptions, those are logical assertions.

Yes, I assume they would feel a judgment of “guilty” had already been made and announced publicly even though the investigation is hardly complete.