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		By: Wesson		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623158</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wesson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2022 03:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Davemay
Sundance called Manchin &quot;The next Democrat and Lincoln Project presidential candidate for ¹2024...&quot;

&quot;¹If the mid-term 2022 ends up being a wipe out for the leftist communists in the Biden administration, Joe Manchin will be their 2024 candidate.&quot;

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/11/interesting-joe-manchin-questions-dia-berrier-and-dni-haines-about-whether-ukraine-can-win-dia-confirms-we-are-in-a-proxy-war-with-russia/#more-232940]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Davemay<br />
Sundance called Manchin &#8220;The next Democrat and Lincoln Project presidential candidate for ¹2024&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;¹If the mid-term 2022 ends up being a wipe out for the leftist communists in the Biden administration, Joe Manchin will be their 2024 candidate.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/11/interesting-joe-manchin-questions-dia-berrier-and-dni-haines-about-whether-ukraine-can-win-dia-confirms-we-are-in-a-proxy-war-with-russia/#more-232940" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/05/11/interesting-joe-manchin-questions-dia-berrier-and-dni-haines-about-whether-ukraine-can-win-dia-confirms-we-are-in-a-proxy-war-with-russia/#more-232940</a></p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623145</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2022 01:46:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art asks, &lt;i&gt;&quot;Can you point to a piece of evidence which says a majority voting on the procedural preliminaries do not actually care about the content of the bill?&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

When members are not given the time to examine a bill but vote for an essentially unseen bill anyway, it is a virtual certainty that they do not care and prima facie evidence of an utter indifference to what is contained in the bill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art asks, <i>&#8220;Can you point to a piece of evidence which says a majority voting on the procedural preliminaries do not actually care about the content of the bill?&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>When members are not given the time to examine a bill but vote for an essentially unseen bill anyway, it is a virtual certainty that they do not care and prima facie evidence of an utter indifference to what is contained in the bill.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623134</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2022 00:27:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Art Deco:&lt;i&gt;Can you point to a piece of evidence which says a majority voting on the procedural preliminaries do not actually care about the content of the bill?&lt;/i&gt;

That wouldn&#039;t tell you anything about the truth or falsehood of what I said, because I never said that &quot;a majority... do not actually care&quot;.

Even if they care only about getting paid, they nonetheless care about the content of this bill. Both venality and ideology are at play, and each politician has a different proportion; and maybe none of them are at 0 or at 100.

There&#039;s obviously no intrinsic relationship between Leftish politics and support for the sort of thing in Schumer&#039;s bill, or you can&#039;t explain European abortion laws, which are considerably more restrictive even than Mississippi&#039;s.

There&#039;s a spectrum of Dems, and I&#039;ll label three points for you. It&#039;s trivial to do the same for Republicans, obviously:

1) Worshippers of Moloch who want to maximize the number of abortions and the lateness at which abortion can be legal.

2) Politicians who personally care about the abortion issue in itself, at varying degrees of pro-choiciness, which you could measure by weeks of pregnancy if you wished.

3) Politicians who care about the issue only in so far as it helps them keep their seat and make money.

All I am saying is that the median Dem Congressman or Senator is somewhere between 2) and 3) inclusive.  The median is not found between 1) and 2).

The ones found between 1) and 2) put the system of patronage-by-appropriation in danger. It&#039;s exactly the same situation on the Republican side, of course.

There are people who benefit from the narrative that politicians representing half the country are fiends who hate us and will hurt us if they are elected. These people are not voters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Art Deco:<i>Can you point to a piece of evidence which says a majority voting on the procedural preliminaries do not actually care about the content of the bill?</i></p>
<p>That wouldn&#8217;t tell you anything about the truth or falsehood of what I said, because I never said that &#8220;a majority&#8230; do not actually care&#8221;.</p>
<p>Even if they care only about getting paid, they nonetheless care about the content of this bill. Both venality and ideology are at play, and each politician has a different proportion; and maybe none of them are at 0 or at 100.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s obviously no intrinsic relationship between Leftish politics and support for the sort of thing in Schumer&#8217;s bill, or you can&#8217;t explain European abortion laws, which are considerably more restrictive even than Mississippi&#8217;s.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a spectrum of Dems, and I&#8217;ll label three points for you. It&#8217;s trivial to do the same for Republicans, obviously:</p>
<p>1) Worshippers of Moloch who want to maximize the number of abortions and the lateness at which abortion can be legal.</p>
<p>2) Politicians who personally care about the abortion issue in itself, at varying degrees of pro-choiciness, which you could measure by weeks of pregnancy if you wished.</p>
<p>3) Politicians who care about the issue only in so far as it helps them keep their seat and make money.</p>
<p>All I am saying is that the median Dem Congressman or Senator is somewhere between 2) and 3) inclusive.  The median is not found between 1) and 2).</p>
<p>The ones found between 1) and 2) put the system of patronage-by-appropriation in danger. It&#8217;s exactly the same situation on the Republican side, of course.</p>
<p>There are people who benefit from the narrative that politicians representing half the country are fiends who hate us and will hurt us if they are elected. These people are not voters.</p>
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		By: Davemay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623130</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Davemay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 May 2022 00:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perhaps Manchin intends to run for President.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps Manchin intends to run for President.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623123</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2022 23:15:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Appropriations and accommodating rent-seekers.&lt;/i&gt;

Can you point to a piece of evidence which says a majority voting on the procedural preliminaries do not actually care about the content of the bill?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Appropriations and accommodating rent-seekers.</i></p>
<p>Can you point to a piece of evidence which says a majority voting on the procedural preliminaries do not actually care about the content of the bill?</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623120</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2022 23:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[To continually post bromides is, willfully whatever. 

The Democrat leadership may think their agenda is unknown or hidden, but folks who read and post here are not willfully blind or duped by the Dems IMO.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To continually post bromides is, willfully whatever. </p>
<p>The Democrat leadership may think their agenda is unknown or hidden, but folks who read and post here are not willfully blind or duped by the Dems IMO.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623110</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2022 22:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Manchin appears to be an old school liberal. 

To imagine that the democrat leadership do not have an agenda that they do not publicly acknowledge is to be, at best willfully blind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manchin appears to be an old school liberal. </p>
<p>To imagine that the democrat leadership do not have an agenda that they do not publicly acknowledge is to be, at best willfully blind.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623103</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2022 21:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That infamous hidden agenda that nobody is aware of.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That infamous hidden agenda that nobody is aware of.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623101</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2022 21:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Art Deco&lt;i&gt;What’s their ‘real’ agenda?&lt;/i&gt;

Appropriations and accommodating rent-seekers. Spend the taxpayers&#039; money and steer legislation to build their networks of patronage and clientage. They don&#039;t build their fortunes on their &#060; $200 K salary.

Some percentage of the D&#039;s in Congress would build socialism if they could; just as some R&#039;s would move the country in a more conservative direction if they could.  But there&#039;s a large mass of them, most likely a numerical majority, who are in Congress primarily to help their friends and themselves make money, and the party platform and the politicking are in service to that end.

Just as the Globetrotter and Generals move the ball around the court, but they are not really playing basketball. They are a theatrical performance and not actually on different sides. The difference is that the media doesn&#039;t pretend it&#039;s a real game.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Art Deco<i>What’s their ‘real’ agenda?</i></p>
<p>Appropriations and accommodating rent-seekers. Spend the taxpayers&#8217; money and steer legislation to build their networks of patronage and clientage. They don&#8217;t build their fortunes on their &lt; $200 K salary.</p>
<p>Some percentage of the D&#039;s in Congress would build socialism if they could; just as some R&#039;s would move the country in a more conservative direction if they could.  But there&#039;s a large mass of them, most likely a numerical majority, who are in Congress primarily to help their friends and themselves make money, and the party platform and the politicking are in service to that end.</p>
<p>Just as the Globetrotter and Generals move the ball around the court, but they are not really playing basketball. They are a theatrical performance and not actually on different sides. The difference is that the media doesn&#8217;t pretend it&#8217;s a real game.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/05/12/joe-manchin-has-certainly-surprised-me/#comment-2623089</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 May 2022 20:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[On those NIH payments, my husband has several patents to his name. He was working for large companies at the time the patents were awarded, and the companies owned the patents, and any income earned therefrom. If he&#039;d also taken payments from outside sources for his work, he&#039;d have been fired very quickly.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On those NIH payments, my husband has several patents to his name. He was working for large companies at the time the patents were awarded, and the companies owned the patents, and any income earned therefrom. If he&#8217;d also taken payments from outside sources for his work, he&#8217;d have been fired very quickly.</p>
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