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		By: deadrody		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/04/06/what-to-do-about-the-smiley-martins-of-the-world/#comment-2617794</link>

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					<description><![CDATA[Throw away the key.  That&#039;s what you do with career criminals]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Throw away the key.  That&#8217;s what you do with career criminals</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/04/06/what-to-do-about-the-smiley-martins-of-the-world/#comment-2617580</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2022 03:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ saxinis &#062; &quot;Rope &#038; tree; some assembly required.&quot;

NOTE to the NSA, FBI, and DOJ: this comment is not an expression of support or approval of the above remark. It is part of a Constitutionally-protected free-speech discussion. 

https://www.vox.com/22995013/anti-lynching-act-emmett-till
March 29, 2022
&quot;President Biden just made lynching a federal hate crime after more than 100 years of legislative failure.&quot;

Lynching itself, of course, is murder, and has always been illegal.

My web search turned up other solely leftist sites on the first page; I had to go looking for Redstate&#039;s post.

Compare and contrast.

https://redstate.com/jeffc/2022/03/02/anti-lynching-legislation-is-nothing-more-than-feckless-virtue-signaling-n530521

For any who don&#039;t know, the author Jeff Charles is black.

Interestingly, neither post mentions that the text of the law does not limit the definition of the &quot;lynching&quot; victims to a specific racial identity, not to the method indicated by Saxinis.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/55
&lt;blockquote&gt;Public Law No: 117-107 (03/29/2022)
Emmett Till Antilynching Act

This bill makes lynching a federal hate crime offense.

Specifically, the bill imposes criminal penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to 30 years, or both—on an individual who conspires to commit a hate crime offense that results in death or serious bodily injury or that includes kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It certainly seems to me that this case fits the bill.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukesha_Christmas_parade_attack

That is more evident if you read the background material that the Wiki editors prefer you not know about.

https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/11/24/waukesha-suspect-called-to-attack-white-people-had-conviction-for-prior-bomb-threat-n481196
&lt;blockquote&gt;Liberal media would rather attack the journalists mentioning his posts rather than actually report on them, afraid of what they might mean. But that’s dishonest journalism, just like calling the attack an “accident” is dishonest. You don’t have to immediately jump to the motive, but you can and should be reporting on all the evidence.

As we noted, that evidence of his social media does show he was unhappy with the Rittenhouse verdict which came in two days before the Waukesha attack. It also shows that he had posts related to BLM, George Floyd and Malcolm X, as well as anti-police posts.
...
One post, in particular, stands out in terms of the massacre in Waukesha — a post that calls for violence against white people.
...
All six of the fatalities were white including the latest, eight-year-old Jackson Sparks.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ saxinis &gt; &#8220;Rope &amp; tree; some assembly required.&#8221;</p>
<p>NOTE to the NSA, FBI, and DOJ: this comment is not an expression of support or approval of the above remark. It is part of a Constitutionally-protected free-speech discussion. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.vox.com/22995013/anti-lynching-act-emmett-till" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.vox.com/22995013/anti-lynching-act-emmett-till</a><br />
March 29, 2022<br />
&#8220;President Biden just made lynching a federal hate crime after more than 100 years of legislative failure.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lynching itself, of course, is murder, and has always been illegal.</p>
<p>My web search turned up other solely leftist sites on the first page; I had to go looking for Redstate&#8217;s post.</p>
<p>Compare and contrast.</p>
<p><a href="https://redstate.com/jeffc/2022/03/02/anti-lynching-legislation-is-nothing-more-than-feckless-virtue-signaling-n530521" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/jeffc/2022/03/02/anti-lynching-legislation-is-nothing-more-than-feckless-virtue-signaling-n530521</a></p>
<p>For any who don&#8217;t know, the author Jeff Charles is black.</p>
<p>Interestingly, neither post mentions that the text of the law does not limit the definition of the &#8220;lynching&#8221; victims to a specific racial identity, not to the method indicated by Saxinis.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/55" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/55</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Public Law No: 117-107 (03/29/2022)<br />
Emmett Till Antilynching Act</p>
<p>This bill makes lynching a federal hate crime offense.</p>
<p>Specifically, the bill imposes criminal penalties—a fine, a prison term of up to 30 years, or both—on an individual who conspires to commit a hate crime offense that results in death or serious bodily injury or that includes kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill.
</p></blockquote>
<p>It certainly seems to me that this case fits the bill.<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukesha_Christmas_parade_attack" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waukesha_Christmas_parade_attack</a></p>
<p>That is more evident if you read the background material that the Wiki editors prefer you not know about.</p>
<p><a href="https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/11/24/waukesha-suspect-called-to-attack-white-people-had-conviction-for-prior-bomb-threat-n481196" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2021/11/24/waukesha-suspect-called-to-attack-white-people-had-conviction-for-prior-bomb-threat-n481196</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Liberal media would rather attack the journalists mentioning his posts rather than actually report on them, afraid of what they might mean. But that’s dishonest journalism, just like calling the attack an “accident” is dishonest. You don’t have to immediately jump to the motive, but you can and should be reporting on all the evidence.</p>
<p>As we noted, that evidence of his social media does show he was unhappy with the Rittenhouse verdict which came in two days before the Waukesha attack. It also shows that he had posts related to BLM, George Floyd and Malcolm X, as well as anti-police posts.<br />
&#8230;<br />
One post, in particular, stands out in terms of the massacre in Waukesha — a post that calls for violence against white people.<br />
&#8230;<br />
All six of the fatalities were white including the latest, eight-year-old Jackson Sparks.
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/04/06/what-to-do-about-the-smiley-martins-of-the-world/#comment-2617494</link>

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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 20:42:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sonny wayz:

Well, the concept was recently stretched in the Arbery case in order to give harsh sentences to the two people who didn&#039;t kill Arbery, including the one who merely took a video without ever thinking a killing would be occurring.  The supposedly separate felony was kidnapping, but the goal they thought they were aiming for was a bona fide citizen&#039;s arrest. That&#039;s one of the reasons the case was a travesty of justice.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sonny wayz:</p>
<p>Well, the concept was recently stretched in the Arbery case in order to give harsh sentences to the two people who didn&#8217;t kill Arbery, including the one who merely took a video without ever thinking a killing would be occurring.  The supposedly separate felony was kidnapping, but the goal they thought they were aiming for was a bona fide citizen&#8217;s arrest. That&#8217;s one of the reasons the case was a travesty of justice.</p>
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		By: sonny wayz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 20:34:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;...there has to be a different felony in progress.&lt;/i&gt;

I think I sort of knew that once upon a time, but thanks for nudging my neurons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230;there has to be a different felony in progress.</i></p>
<p>I think I sort of knew that once upon a time, but thanks for nudging my neurons.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 18:49:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[sonny wayz:

Difference is that as far as I know he was not participating in a separate felony.  We don&#039;t know the circumstances of how the fight broke out.  For example, someone might have been shooting at him quite suddenly and he shot in self-defense.  What precipitated the shootings was not a robbery, as far as I know, or any other crime.  For felony murder to kick in - which is what you&#039;re describing - there has to be a different felony in progress.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sonny wayz:</p>
<p>Difference is that as far as I know he was not participating in a separate felony.  We don&#8217;t know the circumstances of how the fight broke out.  For example, someone might have been shooting at him quite suddenly and he shot in self-defense.  What precipitated the shootings was not a robbery, as far as I know, or any other crime.  For felony murder to kick in &#8211; which is what you&#8217;re describing &#8211; there has to be a different felony in progress.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/04/06/what-to-do-about-the-smiley-martins-of-the-world/#comment-2617440</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 16:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[We know what to do about Smiley Martins: deterrence, punishment, and incapacitation.  Not foolproof, just reduces the probability that they will commit lethal or injurious violence.  We&#039;re not doing that systematically because judges, prosecutors, and politicians Just.Do.Not.Feel.Like.It.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know what to do about Smiley Martins: deterrence, punishment, and incapacitation.  Not foolproof, just reduces the probability that they will commit lethal or injurious violence.  We&#8217;re not doing that systematically because judges, prosecutors, and politicians Just.Do.Not.Feel.Like.It.</p>
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		By: Another Mike		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Another Mike]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 15:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[A couple things:
1.  Full-auto is overrated, most definitely in a pistol. It is definitely a &quot;spray &#038; Pray&quot; item.
2. CA has a &quot;felony murder&quot; rule that wraps all knowing participants into the death of someone involved. [This includes the scenario where a victim or witness kills a participant; the other crooks are liable for their partner&#039;s demise.] An operative term here is &quot;knowingly&quot;.... does the driver know the guy is going into the store to rob it rather than just buy a pack of gum. The law is therefor use on a case-by-case basis.
3. At this point, they are saying at least one of the dead is one of the potential shooters. He is in a video (mentioned above) with the Martin Brothers taken hours earlier.
4. Magazine capacity is irrelevant to a trained and disciplined shooter. Ten-round mags allow one to replenish (put in new, full one) during a lull without throwing away as many unspent rounds.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A couple things:<br />
1.  Full-auto is overrated, most definitely in a pistol. It is definitely a &#8220;spray &amp; Pray&#8221; item.<br />
2. CA has a &#8220;felony murder&#8221; rule that wraps all knowing participants into the death of someone involved. [This includes the scenario where a victim or witness kills a participant; the other crooks are liable for their partner&#8217;s demise.] An operative term here is &#8220;knowingly&#8221;&#8230;. does the driver know the guy is going into the store to rob it rather than just buy a pack of gum. The law is therefor use on a case-by-case basis.<br />
3. At this point, they are saying at least one of the dead is one of the potential shooters. He is in a video (mentioned above) with the Martin Brothers taken hours earlier.<br />
4. Magazine capacity is irrelevant to a trained and disciplined shooter. Ten-round mags allow one to replenish (put in new, full one) during a lull without throwing away as many unspent rounds.</p>
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		By: sonny wayz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 12:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It’s not known yet whether or not he was the murderer...&lt;/i&gt;

IDK the law on this, but isn&#039;t the unarmed getaway car driver fully culpable for deaths in the commission of a bank robbery?  How is this different, besides being CA?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It’s not known yet whether or not he was the murderer&#8230;</i></p>
<p>IDK the law on this, but isn&#8217;t the unarmed getaway car driver fully culpable for deaths in the commission of a bank robbery?  How is this different, besides being CA?</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 11:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Making a pistol fully auto is worse than a waste; instead the weapon becomes uncontrollable.
Used to be said, fifty-plus years back,  The Shotgun News had ads for a device that could turn the ubiquitous M1 carbine fully auto. That would have been useful if you like full auto. My allowance didn&#039;t stretch to the M1.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making a pistol fully auto is worse than a waste; instead the weapon becomes uncontrollable.<br />
Used to be said, fifty-plus years back,  The Shotgun News had ads for a device that could turn the ubiquitous M1 carbine fully auto. That would have been useful if you like full auto. My allowance didn&#8217;t stretch to the M1.</p>
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		By: Wesson		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wesson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Apr 2022 06:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[IIRC, Soros DA Kim Foxx in Chicago recently declined to prosecute two orcs who were shooting it out in public, because it was &quot;mutual combat.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IIRC, Soros DA Kim Foxx in Chicago recently declined to prosecute two orcs who were shooting it out in public, because it was &#8220;mutual combat.&#8221;</p>
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