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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/25/open-thread-3-25-22/#comment-2615159</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 06:14:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Rufus - back in the 1980s (YouTube comes to the rescue), CPB broadcast a production of &quot;On the Razzle&quot; which we videotaped (and I probably still have in a box somewhere). We watched it many times as a family, along with other notable theatrical broadcasts of the era, and all our boys ended up doing theater in school and throwing out memorable lines at opportune moments.

&quot;It&#039;s not proper!&quot; was a favorite.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eax58Njwt0

This video is rather fuzzy, which is too bad; it was a very &quot;sharp&quot; production, set and costume-wise, and maybe a better one can be found.

Stoppard was a favored playwright while we were in college (1970s);  AesopSpouse and I were involved in productions of &quot;Jumpers&quot; and &quot;The Real Inspector Hound&quot;. We had a friend who appeared in &quot;Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern are Dead&quot;.
Anyone who hasn&#039;t experienced a Stoppard play should try one - they are surreal but accessible, if you get my meaning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Rufus &#8211; back in the 1980s (YouTube comes to the rescue), CPB broadcast a production of &#8220;On the Razzle&#8221; which we videotaped (and I probably still have in a box somewhere). We watched it many times as a family, along with other notable theatrical broadcasts of the era, and all our boys ended up doing theater in school and throwing out memorable lines at opportune moments.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s not proper!&#8221; was a favorite.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eax58Njwt0" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eax58Njwt0</a></p>
<p>This video is rather fuzzy, which is too bad; it was a very &#8220;sharp&#8221; production, set and costume-wise, and maybe a better one can be found.</p>
<p>Stoppard was a favored playwright while we were in college (1970s);  AesopSpouse and I were involved in productions of &#8220;Jumpers&#8221; and &#8220;The Real Inspector Hound&#8221;. We had a friend who appeared in &#8220;Rosenkrantz and Guildenstern are Dead&#8221;.<br />
Anyone who hasn&#8217;t experienced a Stoppard play should try one &#8211; they are surreal but accessible, if you get my meaning.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Mar 2022 00:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco,

I agree on Horace and Dolly&#039;s surnames. Were matchmakers common in the U.S. at the start of the 20th century, and if so, were they secular? I have no idea. I think of it in relation to Judaism, but maybe that&#039;s just coincidence in my mind from the &quot;Matchmaker&quot; song in &quot;Fiddler on the Roof.&quot; Which had nothing to do with the 20th century nor the U.S.

I&#039;ve seen ads for matchmakers in the contemporary south in the U.S. and I think I saw a reality TV series based on the occupation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco,</p>
<p>I agree on Horace and Dolly&#8217;s surnames. Were matchmakers common in the U.S. at the start of the 20th century, and if so, were they secular? I have no idea. I think of it in relation to Judaism, but maybe that&#8217;s just coincidence in my mind from the &#8220;Matchmaker&#8221; song in &#8220;Fiddler on the Roof.&#8221; Which had nothing to do with the 20th century nor the U.S.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen ads for matchmakers in the contemporary south in the U.S. and I think I saw a reality TV series based on the occupation.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/25/open-thread-3-25-22/#comment-2615065</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 21:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; I assumed it was about a Jewish man living among gentiles in a turn of the century, American town, but maybe I assumed that because Streisand and Matthau played the leads in the movie?&lt;/i&gt;

The manufactured name given Matthau&#039;s character sounds Knickerbocker, not Jewish. The Streisand character&#039;s name sounds Jewish.  I think at turn of the century, Yonkers would have been a discrete community surrounded by countryside.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I assumed it was about a Jewish man living among gentiles in a turn of the century, American town, but maybe I assumed that because Streisand and Matthau played the leads in the movie?</i></p>
<p>The manufactured name given Matthau&#8217;s character sounds Knickerbocker, not Jewish. The Streisand character&#8217;s name sounds Jewish.  I think at turn of the century, Yonkers would have been a discrete community surrounded by countryside.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/25/open-thread-3-25-22/#comment-2615059</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 21:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding Jewish folk owning stores in small towns, I was reminded of the musical, &quot;Hello Dolly.&quot; So, I did some Internet sleuthing to make sure I had the facts right and it turns out the musical is based on a 1930, Thornton Wilder play, &quot;The Merchant of Yonkers&quot; which was based on an Austrian play written in 1842: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einen_Jux_will_er_sich_machen

For some reason &quot;Hello Dolly&quot; is set around the turn of the century, and I&#039;m not sure what Yonkers was like then. So, maybe there is no connection. I assumed it was about a Jewish man living among gentiles in a turn of the century, American town, but maybe I assumed that because Streisand and Matthau played the leads in the movie?

And, apparently Tom Stoppard did a different adaptation titled, &quot;On the Razzle.&quot; Viennese playwright Johann Nestroy got a lot of mileage out of his libretto!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Jewish folk owning stores in small towns, I was reminded of the musical, &#8220;Hello Dolly.&#8221; So, I did some Internet sleuthing to make sure I had the facts right and it turns out the musical is based on a 1930, Thornton Wilder play, &#8220;The Merchant of Yonkers&#8221; which was based on an Austrian play written in 1842: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einen_Jux_will_er_sich_machen" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einen_Jux_will_er_sich_machen</a></p>
<p>For some reason &#8220;Hello Dolly&#8221; is set around the turn of the century, and I&#8217;m not sure what Yonkers was like then. So, maybe there is no connection. I assumed it was about a Jewish man living among gentiles in a turn of the century, American town, but maybe I assumed that because Streisand and Matthau played the leads in the movie?</p>
<p>And, apparently Tom Stoppard did a different adaptation titled, &#8220;On the Razzle.&#8221; Viennese playwright Johann Nestroy got a lot of mileage out of his libretto!</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 20:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Had a college friend--class of, maybe 69--who was Jewish and grew up in Corsicana, TX.  Has some harsh memories, but returned and set up a successful business. Lots less trouble this generation.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Had a college friend&#8211;class of, maybe 69&#8211;who was Jewish and grew up in Corsicana, TX.  Has some harsh memories, but returned and set up a successful business. Lots less trouble this generation.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/25/open-thread-3-25-22/#comment-2615016</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 17:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My lawyer comes from a Jewish family in small-town South Carolina. And, on another note, I met a black lady who was educated in a Rosenwald school, one of many established by Julius Rosenwald, a Sears Roebuck founder, for blacks in the South to help fill the gaps left by the segregated and poor black public schools.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My lawyer comes from a Jewish family in small-town South Carolina. And, on another note, I met a black lady who was educated in a Rosenwald school, one of many established by Julius Rosenwald, a Sears Roebuck founder, for blacks in the South to help fill the gaps left by the segregated and poor black public schools.</p>
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		By: Nonapod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/25/open-thread-3-25-22/#comment-2615014</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 17:18:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Apparently, Biden told US troops stationed in Poland that they &lt;a href=&quot;https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-says-us-troops-will-see-conditions-in-ukraine-when-youre-there&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;will see conditions in Ukraine &#039;when you&#039;re there&#039;&lt;/a&gt;. One of the features of having Biden as president is that you can&#039;t tell if it&#039;s just another in a long line of demented gaffes or if he&#039;s actually signaling something.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently, Biden told US troops stationed in Poland that they <a href="https://thepostmillennial.com/biden-says-us-troops-will-see-conditions-in-ukraine-when-youre-there" rel="nofollow ugc">will see conditions in Ukraine &#8216;when you&#8217;re there&#8217;</a>. One of the features of having Biden as president is that you can&#8217;t tell if it&#8217;s just another in a long line of demented gaffes or if he&#8217;s actually signaling something.</p>
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		By: PA+Cat		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/25/open-thread-3-25-22/#comment-2615007</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 16:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One bit of good news: Clarence Thomas was discharged from the hospital this morning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One bit of good news: Clarence Thomas was discharged from the hospital this morning.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 16:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; I just finished a fascinating memoir by a woman who was born into one of those families: The Jew Store, by Stella Suberman. Her father moved to a little town in Tennessee sometime around 1920 and opened a dry goods store there. &lt;/i&gt;

 Tony Randall (né Aryeh Rosenberg), Dinah Shore (née Frances Rose Shore), and Bea Arthur (née Bernice Frankel) came from families like this. Arthur spent her adolescence on Maryland&#039;s Eastern Shore after her early years in Brooklyn.    Randall&#039;s parents were divorced; his upbringing was split between New York and Tulsa. Shore&#039;s family started out in small towns in Tennessee, then decamped to Nashville when she was an adolescent. She moved to New York in her 20s; into her 60s you could detect a slight drawl in her voice.  

Michael Kinsley (of &lt;i&gt;The New Republic&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Crossfire&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;Slate&lt;/i&gt;) grew up in the Detroit suburbs.  His parents had a strictly small town upbringing.  His father&#039;s family lived in a succession of New England towns working as tailors.  His mother came from a  family that settled in Uniontown, Pa. His grandfather owned a department store there.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> I just finished a fascinating memoir by a woman who was born into one of those families: The Jew Store, by Stella Suberman. Her father moved to a little town in Tennessee sometime around 1920 and opened a dry goods store there. </i></p>
<p> Tony Randall (né Aryeh Rosenberg), Dinah Shore (née Frances Rose Shore), and Bea Arthur (née Bernice Frankel) came from families like this. Arthur spent her adolescence on Maryland&#8217;s Eastern Shore after her early years in Brooklyn.    Randall&#8217;s parents were divorced; his upbringing was split between New York and Tulsa. Shore&#8217;s family started out in small towns in Tennessee, then decamped to Nashville when she was an adolescent. She moved to New York in her 20s; into her 60s you could detect a slight drawl in her voice.  </p>
<p>Michael Kinsley (of <i>The New Republic</i>, <i>Crossfire</i>, and <i>Slate</i>) grew up in the Detroit suburbs.  His parents had a strictly small town upbringing.  His father&#8217;s family lived in a succession of New England towns working as tailors.  His mother came from a  family that settled in Uniontown, Pa. His grandfather owned a department store there.</p>
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		By: Eva Marie		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/25/open-thread-3-25-22/#comment-2615003</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eva Marie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2022 15:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In Arizona we had the Goldwater family and their department stores.
Michael Goldwater, the grandfather of Sen. Barry Goldwater, established a trading post in 1860 in Gila City, Arizona Territory. In 1872, he moved to Phoenix.
Scroll down midway to read the history of the Goldwater family in Arizona: http://www.thedepartmentstoremuseum.org/2010/09/m-goldwater-sons-phoenix-arizona.html?m=1]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In Arizona we had the Goldwater family and their department stores.<br />
Michael Goldwater, the grandfather of Sen. Barry Goldwater, established a trading post in 1860 in Gila City, Arizona Territory. In 1872, he moved to Phoenix.<br />
Scroll down midway to read the history of the Goldwater family in Arizona: <a href="http://www.thedepartmentstoremuseum.org/2010/09/m-goldwater-sons-phoenix-arizona.html?m=1" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.thedepartmentstoremuseum.org/2010/09/m-goldwater-sons-phoenix-arizona.html?m=1</a></p>
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