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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/09/an-iran-deal-many-times-worse-than-obamas/#comment-2612342</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 23:36:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om, 

I concur on both those points.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om, </p>
<p>I concur on both those points.</p>
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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/09/an-iran-deal-many-times-worse-than-obamas/#comment-2612316</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[om]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Geoffrey:

We both agree that Iran getting nukes is a very very bad thing.

We do not agree regarding Russian motivations regarding Ukraine and whether Vlad was forced to do what he&#039;s done by NATO, NGOs, or other Western self annointed &quot;thought leaders.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geoffrey:</p>
<p>We both agree that Iran getting nukes is a very very bad thing.</p>
<p>We do not agree regarding Russian motivations regarding Ukraine and whether Vlad was forced to do what he&#8217;s done by NATO, NGOs, or other Western self annointed &#8220;thought leaders.&#8221;</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/09/an-iran-deal-many-times-worse-than-obamas/#comment-2612305</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

Worse than &quot;worthless.&quot; They knew full well what they were getting when he was put in charge again.  They must have approved.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>Worse than &#8220;worthless.&#8221; They knew full well what they were getting when he was put in charge again.  They must have approved.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/09/an-iran-deal-many-times-worse-than-obamas/#comment-2612304</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;In his analysis, the main reasons were the tactics of then-Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and the substance of his proposal which made it impossible for Arafat to accept Barak’s offer.&lt;/i&gt;

The &#039;mainstream view&#039; would be the view of everyone for whom he purported to be working at the time.  His conclusions were in his premises.  It tells you something about how worthless Anthony Blinken is that this Eurotrash maroon was hired yet again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>In his analysis, the main reasons were the tactics of then-Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and the substance of his proposal which made it impossible for Arafat to accept Barak’s offer.</i></p>
<p>The &#8216;mainstream view&#8217; would be the view of everyone for whom he purported to be working at the time.  His conclusions were in his premises.  It tells you something about how worthless Anthony Blinken is that this Eurotrash maroon was hired yet again.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/09/an-iran-deal-many-times-worse-than-obamas/#comment-2612303</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 21:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;it is the 7 million Palestinians they are trying to control. Israel cannot have peace until its Palestinian problem is resolved in a way that satisfies both Jew and Palestinians.&lt;/i&gt;

1.8 million Arabs with Israeli citizenship
0.2 million Arabs with residency permits in Israel

Israel isn&#039;t &#039;trying to control&#039; these people.  They&#039;re lawful residents of Israel, no more &#039;controlled&#039; than anyone else living there.


2.1 million Arabs live in the Gaza Strip.

Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005.  It subjects shipping in and out of the Gaza strip to inspections.  Otherwise, the strip is left to Hamas and UNRWA to run, which they do badly.  


0.68 million live in &quot;Area A&quot;, a segment of the West Bank ruled by the PA and closed to Israeli citizens and security patrols.  Israel&#039;s not trying to control these people either.


2,0 million live in &quot;Area B&quot; on the West Bank, where the civil government is run by the PA but Israel runs security patrols.

0.3 million live in &quot;Area C&quot; of the West Bank, where both the civil government and security patrols are provided by Israel.  


All of which is to say that about 1/3 of the Arab population within the boundaries of the old mandate of Palestine actually fits your description in this respect.  Then you conclude with this:


&lt;i&gt;Israel cannot have peace until its Palestinian problem is resolved in a way that satisfies both Jew and Palestinians.&lt;/i&gt;

The Arab politicians have on six separate occasions rejected or sabotaged efforts by Israel to devolve discretion on local Arabs or off-load the territories, most recently in 2008 (when they were offered the whole of the West Bank and the Arab parts of greater Jerusalem, sign on the dotted line).  The reason for that is that the Arab politicians reflect the balance of opinion in their constituency, among which 1/3 insist that dissolution of the State of Israel is non-negotiable and another 30% insist that a fuzzily-defined seven-digit population of Arabs be permitted to settle in Israel at their discretion.  So, Israel secures it&#039;s passable situation with its own tools.  There are no others.  

Looking forward to your disquisition on how it is imperative we pursue cheap air fares achieved by the suspension of gravity. People read your  posts and they cannot figure out if ignorance, fatuity, or fraud explains them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>it is the 7 million Palestinians they are trying to control. Israel cannot have peace until its Palestinian problem is resolved in a way that satisfies both Jew and Palestinians.</i></p>
<p>1.8 million Arabs with Israeli citizenship<br />
0.2 million Arabs with residency permits in Israel</p>
<p>Israel isn&#8217;t &#8216;trying to control&#8217; these people.  They&#8217;re lawful residents of Israel, no more &#8216;controlled&#8217; than anyone else living there.</p>
<p>2.1 million Arabs live in the Gaza Strip.</p>
<p>Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip in 2005.  It subjects shipping in and out of the Gaza strip to inspections.  Otherwise, the strip is left to Hamas and UNRWA to run, which they do badly.  </p>
<p>0.68 million live in &#8220;Area A&#8221;, a segment of the West Bank ruled by the PA and closed to Israeli citizens and security patrols.  Israel&#8217;s not trying to control these people either.</p>
<p>2,0 million live in &#8220;Area B&#8221; on the West Bank, where the civil government is run by the PA but Israel runs security patrols.</p>
<p>0.3 million live in &#8220;Area C&#8221; of the West Bank, where both the civil government and security patrols are provided by Israel.  </p>
<p>All of which is to say that about 1/3 of the Arab population within the boundaries of the old mandate of Palestine actually fits your description in this respect.  Then you conclude with this:</p>
<p><i>Israel cannot have peace until its Palestinian problem is resolved in a way that satisfies both Jew and Palestinians.</i></p>
<p>The Arab politicians have on six separate occasions rejected or sabotaged efforts by Israel to devolve discretion on local Arabs or off-load the territories, most recently in 2008 (when they were offered the whole of the West Bank and the Arab parts of greater Jerusalem, sign on the dotted line).  The reason for that is that the Arab politicians reflect the balance of opinion in their constituency, among which 1/3 insist that dissolution of the State of Israel is non-negotiable and another 30% insist that a fuzzily-defined seven-digit population of Arabs be permitted to settle in Israel at their discretion.  So, Israel secures it&#8217;s passable situation with its own tools.  There are no others.  </p>
<p>Looking forward to your disquisition on how it is imperative we pursue cheap air fares achieved by the suspension of gravity. People read your  posts and they cannot figure out if ignorance, fatuity, or fraud explains them.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bob sykes:

Oh, and by the way, you have zero understanding of what the phrase &quot;chosen people&quot; means.  Educate yourself - and not with anti-Semitic websites, either.

And Jews are not a race.  They consist of people of all races.

You are profoundly ignorant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bob sykes:</p>
<p>Oh, and by the way, you have zero understanding of what the phrase &#8220;chosen people&#8221; means.  Educate yourself &#8211; and not with anti-Semitic websites, either.</p>
<p>And Jews are not a race.  They consist of people of all races.</p>
<p>You are profoundly ignorant.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om; Geoffrey Britain:

Stop the personal attacks.  Both of you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om; Geoffrey Britain:</p>
<p>Stop the personal attacks.  Both of you.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/03/09/an-iran-deal-many-times-worse-than-obamas/#comment-2612296</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[om, 

Its useful advise that, &quot;when you find yourself in a hole... stop digging&quot;. Predictably, you&#039;ll falsely accuse me of repeatedly violating that advise. Demonstrating that you&#039;re unwilling to, even for a moment, consider that it might instead, apply to you. 

That I have more than once freely admitted to being wrong and even freely offered apologies, demonstrates my willingness to look in the mirror.

You are however, providing great insight into your character for those with eyes to see. 

Is that concise enough for you?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>om, </p>
<p>Its useful advise that, &#8220;when you find yourself in a hole&#8230; stop digging&#8221;. Predictably, you&#8217;ll falsely accuse me of repeatedly violating that advise. Demonstrating that you&#8217;re unwilling to, even for a moment, consider that it might instead, apply to you. </p>
<p>That I have more than once freely admitted to being wrong and even freely offered apologies, demonstrates my willingness to look in the mirror.</p>
<p>You are however, providing great insight into your character for those with eyes to see. </p>
<p>Is that concise enough for you?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:40:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bob sykes and others:

This is from Malley&#039;s Wiki page:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Malley was born in 1963 to Barbara (née Silverstein) Malley, a New Yorker who worked for the United Nations delegation of the Algerian National Liberation Front (FLN), and her husband, Simon Malley (1923–2006), an Egyptian-born Jewish journalist who grew up in Egypt and worked as a foreign correspondent for Al Gomhuria. The elder Malley spent time in New York, writing about international affairs, particularly about nationalist, anti-imperial movements in Africa, and made a key contribution by putting the FLN on the world map.

In 1969, the elder Malley moved his family—including son Robert—to France, where he founded the leftist magazine Africasia (later known as Afrique Asia). Robert attended École Jeannine Manuel, a prestigious bilingual school in Paris, and graduated in the same class (1980) as U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken.

The Malleys remained in France until 1980, when then French president Valéry Giscard d&#039;Estaing briefly expelled Simon Malley from the country to New York, due to his hostility towards Western colonialism and Israel.

Malley attended Yale University, and was a 1984 Rhodes Scholar at Magdalen College, Oxford, where he earned a D.Phil. in political philosophy. There he wrote his doctoral thesis about Third-worldism and its decline. Malley continued writing about foreign policy, including extended commentary about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ethnic Jew, but real identification - and real religion - is the left.  Parents likewise.  Proving his leftist bona fides by his hatred of Israel.

As far as I can tell, Malley never had to have any Congressional approval to become the Iran negotiator and I don&#039;t think there is any Congressional oversight.

More from the Wiki page:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Malley has published several articles on the failed 2000 Camp David Summit in which he participated as a member of the U.S. negotiating team. Malley rejects the mainstream opinion that lays all the blame for the failure of the summit on Arafat and the Palestinian delegation. In his analysis, the main reasons were the tactics of then-Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and the substance of his proposal which made it impossible for Arafat to accept Barak&#039;s offer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bob sykes and others:</p>
<p>This is from Malley&#8217;s Wiki page:</p>
<blockquote><p>Malley was born in 1963 to Barbara (née Silverstein) Malley, a New Yorker who worked for the United Nations delegation of the Algerian National Liberation Front (FLN), and her husband, Simon Malley (1923–2006), an Egyptian-born Jewish journalist who grew up in Egypt and worked as a foreign correspondent for Al Gomhuria. The elder Malley spent time in New York, writing about international affairs, particularly about nationalist, anti-imperial movements in Africa, and made a key contribution by putting the FLN on the world map.</p>
<p>In 1969, the elder Malley moved his family—including son Robert—to France, where he founded the leftist magazine Africasia (later known as Afrique Asia). Robert attended École Jeannine Manuel, a prestigious bilingual school in Paris, and graduated in the same class (1980) as U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken.</p>
<p>The Malleys remained in France until 1980, when then French president Valéry Giscard d&#8217;Estaing briefly expelled Simon Malley from the country to New York, due to his hostility towards Western colonialism and Israel.</p>
<p>Malley attended Yale University, and was a 1984 Rhodes Scholar at Magdalen College, Oxford, where he earned a D.Phil. in political philosophy. There he wrote his doctoral thesis about Third-worldism and its decline. Malley continued writing about foreign policy, including extended commentary about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. </p></blockquote>
<p>Ethnic Jew, but real identification &#8211; and real religion &#8211; is the left.  Parents likewise.  Proving his leftist bona fides by his hatred of Israel.</p>
<p>As far as I can tell, Malley never had to have any Congressional approval to become the Iran negotiator and I don&#8217;t think there is any Congressional oversight.</p>
<p>More from the Wiki page:</p>
<blockquote><p>Malley has published several articles on the failed 2000 Camp David Summit in which he participated as a member of the U.S. negotiating team. Malley rejects the mainstream opinion that lays all the blame for the failure of the summit on Arafat and the Palestinian delegation. In his analysis, the main reasons were the tactics of then-Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak and the substance of his proposal which made it impossible for Arafat to accept Barak&#8217;s offer.</p></blockquote>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2022 20:37:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[bob sykes:

There are plenty of secular Jews who could not care less about Israel and/or even wish it to be destroyed.

So their Jewish ethnicity is quite irrelevant to this issue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bob sykes:</p>
<p>There are plenty of secular Jews who could not care less about Israel and/or even wish it to be destroyed.</p>
<p>So their Jewish ethnicity is quite irrelevant to this issue.</p>
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