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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2022 03:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sonny.  And the movie gets a heck of a lot done in a short time.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sonny.  And the movie gets a heck of a lot done in a short time.</p>
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		By: sonny wayz		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Jan 2022 01:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Just shows to go you that well-written dialog can compel on its own&quot;

Some time back, I read something similar about &#039;Casablanca&#039;.  Not a lot of action per se (Ugarte and Strasser aside), few sets, but great dialogue.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just shows to go you that well-written dialog can compel on its own&#8221;</p>
<p>Some time back, I read something similar about &#8216;Casablanca&#8217;.  Not a lot of action per se (Ugarte and Strasser aside), few sets, but great dialogue.</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 22:04:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kind of a dissonance in the picture of Keaton.   The convention of movie makeup of the time tended to make men look kind of prissy, with the dark lip makeup seeming to be the b&#038;w rendering of lip stick.
Then, look at his hand.  Four fingers perfectly parallel.  Most people&#039;s fingers converge slightly, the palm being somewhat wider than the total width of the fingers.
This is the hand--from what I&#039;ve read about T levels--of a high-T adult male, likely influenced by hard labor.
One need not pick up on this consciously for there to be a subliminal notice of the potential conflict in perceptions.
Not that the hand would be all that visible in its relaxed state in his gags, but...subliminal captures a lot.
As to the natural Keaton....I have no idea.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kind of a dissonance in the picture of Keaton.   The convention of movie makeup of the time tended to make men look kind of prissy, with the dark lip makeup seeming to be the b&amp;w rendering of lip stick.<br />
Then, look at his hand.  Four fingers perfectly parallel.  Most people&#8217;s fingers converge slightly, the palm being somewhat wider than the total width of the fingers.<br />
This is the hand&#8211;from what I&#8217;ve read about T levels&#8211;of a high-T adult male, likely influenced by hard labor.<br />
One need not pick up on this consciously for there to be a subliminal notice of the potential conflict in perceptions.<br />
Not that the hand would be all that visible in its relaxed state in his gags, but&#8230;subliminal captures a lot.<br />
As to the natural Keaton&#8230;.I have no idea.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I enjoyed “My Dinner with Andre,” a movie that famously had no action (and, I think, only two camera angles).&lt;/i&gt;

Rufus T. Firefly:

Big thumbs up on “My Dinner with Andre”! Just shows to go you that well-written dialog can compel on its own.

As I recall the story (not mentioned in wiki) Andre Gregory and Wallace Shawn collaborated on the script for months, passing it back and forth, each adding more dialog and making revisions until reaching its final form.

I found an indie film on Andre titled &quot;Before and After Dinner&quot; directed by Gregory&#039;s new youngish wife. It&#039;s a bit cloying but does offer the astonishing tidbit that Gregory has been investigating whether his secretive, very wealthy, Jewish businessman father collaborated with the Nazis in the 1930s to undermine the French currency as a prelude to the Nazi invasion of France!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I enjoyed “My Dinner with Andre,” a movie that famously had no action (and, I think, only two camera angles).</i></p>
<p>Rufus T. Firefly:</p>
<p>Big thumbs up on “My Dinner with Andre”! Just shows to go you that well-written dialog can compel on its own.</p>
<p>As I recall the story (not mentioned in wiki) Andre Gregory and Wallace Shawn collaborated on the script for months, passing it back and forth, each adding more dialog and making revisions until reaching its final form.</p>
<p>I found an indie film on Andre titled &#8220;Before and After Dinner&#8221; directed by Gregory&#8217;s new youngish wife. It&#8217;s a bit cloying but does offer the astonishing tidbit that Gregory has been investigating whether his secretive, very wealthy, Jewish businessman father collaborated with the Nazis in the 1930s to undermine the French currency as a prelude to the Nazi invasion of France!</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;One of our sons was quite fond of the 2001 reboot of “Ocean’s Eleven” when it came out, so we watched that together, and then the original “Ocean’s 11” (1960).
Even I found the older one annoyingly slow!&lt;/i&gt;

AesopFan:

Agreed. The original &quot;Ocean&#039;s Eleven&quot; had Rat Pack appeal, but I didn&#039;t think it was all that good a movie. Even at the time its reviews were mixed.

However, Soderberg&#039;s &quot;Ocean&#039;s Eleven&quot; is IMO a masterpiece. Leaving aside the pacing and modern gadgetry, it&#039;s a well-written taut script with interesting details and great characters, who interact beautifully together.

It&#039;s a good exercise to compare it with &quot;Ocean&#039;s 8,&quot; the all-female version, which doesn&#039;t suffer because its characters are women, but because they are poorly written so the viewer, or at least this viewer, never gets a solid sense of them as individuals beyond the two leads played by Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchett.

&quot;Ocean&#039;s Eleven&quot; juggled eleven heistmates effectively. &quot;Ocean&#039;s 8&quot; only eight members and seemed to be going through the motions.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>One of our sons was quite fond of the 2001 reboot of “Ocean’s Eleven” when it came out, so we watched that together, and then the original “Ocean’s 11” (1960).<br />
Even I found the older one annoyingly slow!</i></p>
<p>AesopFan:</p>
<p>Agreed. The original &#8220;Ocean&#8217;s Eleven&#8221; had Rat Pack appeal, but I didn&#8217;t think it was all that good a movie. Even at the time its reviews were mixed.</p>
<p>However, Soderberg&#8217;s &#8220;Ocean&#8217;s Eleven&#8221; is IMO a masterpiece. Leaving aside the pacing and modern gadgetry, it&#8217;s a well-written taut script with interesting details and great characters, who interact beautifully together.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a good exercise to compare it with &#8220;Ocean&#8217;s 8,&#8221; the all-female version, which doesn&#8217;t suffer because its characters are women, but because they are poorly written so the viewer, or at least this viewer, never gets a solid sense of them as individuals beyond the two leads played by Sandra Bullock and Cate Blanchett.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ocean&#8217;s Eleven&#8221; juggled eleven heistmates effectively. &#8220;Ocean&#8217;s 8&#8221; only eight members and seemed to be going through the motions.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;It is tempting to think this cannot work, but feudalism carried on for roughly a thousand years before things changed. At least a third of a human population is happy to be treated like a prisoner.&lt;/i&gt;

See Prof. Philip Daeleader. The best evidence suggests that the origin of medieval feudalism was in the 7th century in the area later known as Ile de France.  It replaced chattel slavery.  The serf had a hereditary right of occupancy, could form a family, and had rights to his produce. It was a sustainable system and coincident with its introduction, Europe&#039;s centuries long demographic implosion came to an end.  You&#039;re talking about a society where subsistence was an achievement and physical danger a reality away from your village.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>It is tempting to think this cannot work, but feudalism carried on for roughly a thousand years before things changed. At least a third of a human population is happy to be treated like a prisoner.</i></p>
<p>See Prof. Philip Daeleader. The best evidence suggests that the origin of medieval feudalism was in the 7th century in the area later known as Ile de France.  It replaced chattel slavery.  The serf had a hereditary right of occupancy, could form a family, and had rights to his produce. It was a sustainable system and coincident with its introduction, Europe&#8217;s centuries long demographic implosion came to an end.  You&#8217;re talking about a society where subsistence was an achievement and physical danger a reality away from your village.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Regarding pacing of older films...

Depends. Many older films have tremendous dialogue and wordplay. I think those hold up very well.

I enjoyed &quot;My Dinner with Andre,&quot; a movie that famously had no action (and, I think, only two camera angles).
I also enjoy foreign films with subtitles.
CGI, however, almost always takes me out of a movie. The instant it appears on screen my brain says, &quot;Oh, yeah. None of this is real. It&#039;s all pretend.&quot;
The movie, &quot;Elf&quot; used sets and camera angles creatively to trick one&#039;s mind into seeing different perspectives.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding pacing of older films&#8230;</p>
<p>Depends. Many older films have tremendous dialogue and wordplay. I think those hold up very well.</p>
<p>I enjoyed &#8220;My Dinner with Andre,&#8221; a movie that famously had no action (and, I think, only two camera angles).<br />
I also enjoy foreign films with subtitles.<br />
CGI, however, almost always takes me out of a movie. The instant it appears on screen my brain says, &#8220;Oh, yeah. None of this is real. It&#8217;s all pretend.&#8221;<br />
The movie, &#8220;Elf&#8221; used sets and camera angles creatively to trick one&#8217;s mind into seeing different perspectives.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[neo,

Thanks for the breakdown on the mortality data!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>neo,</p>
<p>Thanks for the breakdown on the mortality data!</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[OBloodyHell,

Agree regarding Jackie Chan. Good point!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OBloodyHell,</p>
<p>Agree regarding Jackie Chan. Good point!</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[And back to the U-U-Ukraine....
Actually, this Ukraine business has been a real eye-opener...as &quot;Biden&quot; seems to have rediscovered not only the notion of the &quot;sacred&quot; 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8DT0VQlhTw

...but also the sanctity of borders....
&quot;Biden Adviser Says Americans Should Care About Ukraine Because ‘Borders Should Be Inviolate’&quot;---
https://conservativebrief.com/total-irony-58627/

Who woulda&#039; guessed? (Too late for the Afghanis, though...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And back to the U-U-Ukraine&#8230;.<br />
Actually, this Ukraine business has been a real eye-opener&#8230;as &#8220;Biden&#8221; seems to have rediscovered not only the notion of the &#8220;sacred&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8DT0VQlhTw" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8DT0VQlhTw</a></p>
<p>&#8230;but also the sanctity of borders&#8230;.<br />
&#8220;Biden Adviser Says Americans Should Care About Ukraine Because ‘Borders Should Be Inviolate’&#8221;&#8212;<br />
<a href="https://conservativebrief.com/total-irony-58627/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://conservativebrief.com/total-irony-58627/</a></p>
<p>Who woulda&#8217; guessed? (Too late for the Afghanis, though&#8230;)</p>
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