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		By: Kentucky Packrat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kentucky Packrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Jan 2022 17:37:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[MBudge said: But if that “blanket forgiveness” is just the government stepping in and paying off those loans…what does that actually achieve?

It will be step 1 of recognizing that practically all dollar-denominated loans will default or take a massive haircut. There is no way that Treasuries, state bonds, and municipal bonds will be paid at face value with uninflated dollars, we just don&#039;t have the free wealth in the economy to leach off that much money.

Either the US declares a loan jubilee or it inflates. The first hurts the rich and the people saving (i.e. the people who can recover the best), the second destroys everyone and probably leads to a Yugoslavia style crack-up (even if there is something called the USA on the other side).

As I told my late wife and kids a couple of years ago, it wouldn&#039;t bother me so much that we seemed to be replaying the Great Depression and Weimar Germany if people weren&#039;t 100% intent on using history as a how-to guide to do it again. Nothing since then has changed my mind.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MBudge said: But if that “blanket forgiveness” is just the government stepping in and paying off those loans…what does that actually achieve?</p>
<p>It will be step 1 of recognizing that practically all dollar-denominated loans will default or take a massive haircut. There is no way that Treasuries, state bonds, and municipal bonds will be paid at face value with uninflated dollars, we just don&#8217;t have the free wealth in the economy to leach off that much money.</p>
<p>Either the US declares a loan jubilee or it inflates. The first hurts the rich and the people saving (i.e. the people who can recover the best), the second destroys everyone and probably leads to a Yugoslavia style crack-up (even if there is something called the USA on the other side).</p>
<p>As I told my late wife and kids a couple of years ago, it wouldn&#8217;t bother me so much that we seemed to be replaying the Great Depression and Weimar Germany if people weren&#8217;t 100% intent on using history as a how-to guide to do it again. Nothing since then has changed my mind.</p>
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		By: Jeanne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2022 16:11:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I’d like to see a thread here on real estate valuations. I find them insane.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’d like to see a thread here on real estate valuations. I find them insane.</p>
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		By: R2L		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[R2L]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2022 03:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Phillip, I take it your &quot;decorative cushion project&quot; did not leave you with the life cushion you had hoped for.  I presume that is partly because whatever you used as stuffing did not include enough Benjamins.  :-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phillip, I take it your &#8220;decorative cushion project&#8221; did not leave you with the life cushion you had hoped for.  I presume that is partly because whatever you used as stuffing did not include enough Benjamins.  🙂</p>
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		By: MBunge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MBunge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2022 01:59:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Government will have no choice but to issue a blanket forgiveness of most or all of the outstanding student loans&quot;


But if that &quot;blanket forgiveness&quot; is just the government stepping in and paying off those loans...what does that actually achieve?  The federal deficit in 2021 was roughly $3 trillion.  That&#039;s about three times bigger than in pre-pandemic 2019. 
 Total student debt in the U.S. is about $1.7 trillion.  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s any way the Feds can take on that much extra debt as interest rates are going up to fight inflation.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Government will have no choice but to issue a blanket forgiveness of most or all of the outstanding student loans&#8221;</p>
<p>But if that &#8220;blanket forgiveness&#8221; is just the government stepping in and paying off those loans&#8230;what does that actually achieve?  The federal deficit in 2021 was roughly $3 trillion.  That&#8217;s about three times bigger than in pre-pandemic 2019.<br />
 Total student debt in the U.S. is about $1.7 trillion.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s any way the Feds can take on that much extra debt as interest rates are going up to fight inflation.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: Philip Sells		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Philip Sells]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2022 01:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Aesop, Peterson as The Doctor could totally work! Imagine them casting a &lt;i&gt;colonial&lt;/i&gt;!

Rufus, I took home ec in eighth grade and then general business later on in high school. Both were useful, though the home-economics not as much as I expected. Maybe it just took a few decades to really take root. (One of my regrets from junior high is not putting more effort into the decorative cushion project in that class. The substandard grade I got from the teacher for that was amply deserved. But that was the usual last-minute habit rearing its head again.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aesop, Peterson as The Doctor could totally work! Imagine them casting a <i>colonial</i>!</p>
<p>Rufus, I took home ec in eighth grade and then general business later on in high school. Both were useful, though the home-economics not as much as I expected. Maybe it just took a few decades to really take root. (One of my regrets from junior high is not putting more effort into the decorative cushion project in that class. The substandard grade I got from the teacher for that was amply deserved. But that was the usual last-minute habit rearing its head again.)</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Jan 2022 00:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trump went to Wharton.  I bet he had a more accurate idea of what people get paid.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trump went to Wharton.  I bet he had a more accurate idea of what people get paid.</p>
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		By: Kentucky Packrat		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kentucky Packrat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2022 16:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Like an alcoholic addicted to the &quot;wee pick me up&quot; first thing in the morning, this economy has become addicted to nearly free borrowing and student loan pauses. First, interest. Most entities borrowing (from the federal government to individual families) can only afford to do so because interest is 4% or below. Double or triple interest costs, and most of these entities become functionally bankrupt. We need at least an 8%-10% interest rate to stop this inflation, but 4 or 5 percent would take out a bunch of cities and states, and 8% would take out the Treasury. Some of us poor sods 50ish remember 14% inflation somewhat (I remember that we could afford the house, but not the furnace the first year....), but few of working age remember having to try to actually pay it.

The stimulus plan and stopping federal student loan payments goosed the 2020 econony, at the cost of real inflation hitting the 15% to 20% range for a while. Now, even middle class people need the student loan payment money just to make ends meet. (I&#039;m looking at my budget if payments restart, and it is going to HURT. And those are loans for my kids, not for us.) The Government will have no choice but to issue a blanket forgiveness of most or all of the outstanding student loans, or watch the economy crash in March (including a massive amount of defaults).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like an alcoholic addicted to the &#8220;wee pick me up&#8221; first thing in the morning, this economy has become addicted to nearly free borrowing and student loan pauses. First, interest. Most entities borrowing (from the federal government to individual families) can only afford to do so because interest is 4% or below. Double or triple interest costs, and most of these entities become functionally bankrupt. We need at least an 8%-10% interest rate to stop this inflation, but 4 or 5 percent would take out a bunch of cities and states, and 8% would take out the Treasury. Some of us poor sods 50ish remember 14% inflation somewhat (I remember that we could afford the house, but not the furnace the first year&#8230;.), but few of working age remember having to try to actually pay it.</p>
<p>The stimulus plan and stopping federal student loan payments goosed the 2020 econony, at the cost of real inflation hitting the 15% to 20% range for a while. Now, even middle class people need the student loan payment money just to make ends meet. (I&#8217;m looking at my budget if payments restart, and it is going to HURT. And those are loans for my kids, not for us.) The Government will have no choice but to issue a blanket forgiveness of most or all of the outstanding student loans, or watch the economy crash in March (including a massive amount of defaults).</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2022 15:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[zaphod,

Thanks for the tip on Kermit Weeks. I have driven by that museum dozens (a hundred?) times but never stopped in. I will make a point of doing that now. Our family loves museums! One of the Little Fireflies has built her career on our family&#039;s many, many days spent in museums.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>zaphod,</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip on Kermit Weeks. I have driven by that museum dozens (a hundred?) times but never stopped in. I will make a point of doing that now. Our family loves museums! One of the Little Fireflies has built her career on our family&#8217;s many, many days spent in museums.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2022 15:13:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,

That statement from Professor Strohminger says a great deal. How incredibly out of touch.

Maybe it was just the blue collar neighborhood I grew up in, but when I was in High School everyone worked and everyone was very cognizant of what things cost. I made $2.85/hour and some of my co-workers were adults. Even if their spouses had similar jobs, I had a pretty good idea what household income was for many.

When my kids were in High School I noticed a lot of their friends didn&#039;t have jobs. Even if one is from a white collar home, it&#039;s important to do hourly labor when young, but I guess a lot of families don&#039;t function that way. When they were Juniors in High School I also &quot;opened the books&quot; regarding our household. I&#039;d sit down with them and tell them my income. Then I explained what is taken out of my gross pay and what my net income is. Then I went through our monthly budget; mortgage, their private school tuition, saving for their college, groceries, auto loans, insurance...  Walking them all the way through to disposable income.

Home economics. Ought to be mandatory in every High School.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,</p>
<p>That statement from Professor Strohminger says a great deal. How incredibly out of touch.</p>
<p>Maybe it was just the blue collar neighborhood I grew up in, but when I was in High School everyone worked and everyone was very cognizant of what things cost. I made $2.85/hour and some of my co-workers were adults. Even if their spouses had similar jobs, I had a pretty good idea what household income was for many.</p>
<p>When my kids were in High School I noticed a lot of their friends didn&#8217;t have jobs. Even if one is from a white collar home, it&#8217;s important to do hourly labor when young, but I guess a lot of families don&#8217;t function that way. When they were Juniors in High School I also &#8220;opened the books&#8221; regarding our household. I&#8217;d sit down with them and tell them my income. Then I explained what is taken out of my gross pay and what my net income is. Then I went through our monthly budget; mortgage, their private school tuition, saving for their college, groceries, auto loans, insurance&#8230;  Walking them all the way through to disposable income.</p>
<p>Home economics. Ought to be mandatory in every High School.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Jan 2022 15:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan,

That Babylon Bee piece is well done and hilarious. If I had to guess, I&#039;d bet that&#039;s Frank Fleming&#039;s work.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan,</p>
<p>That Babylon Bee piece is well done and hilarious. If I had to guess, I&#8217;d bet that&#8217;s Frank Fleming&#8217;s work.</p>
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