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		By: om		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/01/04/open-thread-1-4-22/#comment-2599532</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 14:49:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Z still blowing smoke.  Do you have any own goals for us today Z?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Z still blowing smoke.  Do you have any own goals for us today Z?</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/01/04/open-thread-1-4-22/#comment-2599520</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 11:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[But that’s not all!

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3162252/taiwanese-activists-buoyed-court-ruling-allowing-same-sex-adoption

So all those flyover country White Boys will be dying for something worthwhile.

Haw, haw, haw.

Not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian Grenadier.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But that’s not all!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3162252/taiwanese-activists-buoyed-court-ruling-allowing-same-sex-adoption" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3162252/taiwanese-activists-buoyed-court-ruling-allowing-same-sex-adoption</a></p>
<p>So all those flyover country White Boys will be dying for something worthwhile.</p>
<p>Haw, haw, haw.</p>
<p>Not worth the bones of a single Pomeranian Grenadier.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/01/04/open-thread-1-4-22/#comment-2599517</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 11:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[USGov keeping things classy in Hong Kong:

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3162240/us-consul-general-hong-kong-and-his-husband-announce-birth

Light on a Hill.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>USGov keeping things classy in Hong Kong:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3162240/us-consul-general-hong-kong-and-his-husband-announce-birth" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/society/article/3162240/us-consul-general-hong-kong-and-his-husband-announce-birth</a></p>
<p>Light on a Hill.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 05:23:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

Thanks. I&#039;ve heard dim rumours that there are other ways to debug, but I&#039;ve always liked printf meself. Or unit tests.

&quot;My impression is that everyone is working so hard and fast, I wonder how much they are really learning.&quot;

That&#039;s a worry.

As is the evaluation of other group members. Nothing wrong with it if you sign up to join a Communist Party Cell... but it&#039;s not what Universities are supposed to be about.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>Thanks. I&#8217;ve heard dim rumours that there are other ways to debug, but I&#8217;ve always liked printf meself. Or unit tests.</p>
<p>&#8220;My impression is that everyone is working so hard and fast, I wonder how much they are really learning.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a worry.</p>
<p>As is the evaluation of other group members. Nothing wrong with it if you sign up to join a Communist Party Cell&#8230; but it&#8217;s not what Universities are supposed to be about.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 04:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s my favorite review of &quot;In C.&quot; It&#039;s by Paul Willliams -- the first rock critic according to &quot;Rolling Stone&quot; -- and his review was quoted on the album sleevenotes. Definitely a product of the sixties, but he&#039;s on the right track.
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&lt;i&gt;“[Listening to &quot;In C&quot;] may be like staring at a mirror for forty-five minutes; or it may be more like sitting at a window and watching the carnival of life go on below. It is a matter of enjoying things that happen, of being moved helplessly by an exciting performance and at the same time following each development in the performance, and somehow determining in your own head what is and isn’t a development and therefore really defining for yourself whatever it is you’re following…. 

Most of the prime components of the musical experience are expressed here, and expressed in such a basic way that one’s awareness of these components is totally unimportant, unnecessary: They are there before you, for you to dig; and nobody’s asking you to file them away in categories. The music is close to the nitty-gritty; you can go into it with no assumptions whatsoever and come out of it with no assumptions and still be very certain that you heard something that it was refreshing, that it was incredible, that its inability to be classified is of no importance at all. This stuff here is close enough to the basics of what music is to be listened to and appreciated with no musical background of any sort. It’s kind of like not necessarily knowing if you dig ballet, but definitely liking the way the girl across the table moves her hands. No preconceptions, you just dig it. Welcome in.”

--Paul Williams (1968)&lt;/i&gt;
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Williams was also a good friend of Philip K. Dick, the science-fiction writer. Williams wrote a great book of essays and interviews with Dick: &quot;Only Apparently Real: The World of Philip K. Dick.&quot; I highly recommend for fun and insight and to anyone interested in PKD.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s my favorite review of &#8220;In C.&#8221; It&#8217;s by Paul Willliams &#8212; the first rock critic according to &#8220;Rolling Stone&#8221; &#8212; and his review was quoted on the album sleevenotes. Definitely a product of the sixties, but he&#8217;s on the right track.<br />
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<p><i>“[Listening to &#8220;In C&#8221;] may be like staring at a mirror for forty-five minutes; or it may be more like sitting at a window and watching the carnival of life go on below. It is a matter of enjoying things that happen, of being moved helplessly by an exciting performance and at the same time following each development in the performance, and somehow determining in your own head what is and isn’t a development and therefore really defining for yourself whatever it is you’re following…. </p>
<p>Most of the prime components of the musical experience are expressed here, and expressed in such a basic way that one’s awareness of these components is totally unimportant, unnecessary: They are there before you, for you to dig; and nobody’s asking you to file them away in categories. The music is close to the nitty-gritty; you can go into it with no assumptions whatsoever and come out of it with no assumptions and still be very certain that you heard something that it was refreshing, that it was incredible, that its inability to be classified is of no importance at all. This stuff here is close enough to the basics of what music is to be listened to and appreciated with no musical background of any sort. It’s kind of like not necessarily knowing if you dig ballet, but definitely liking the way the girl across the table moves her hands. No preconceptions, you just dig it. Welcome in.”</p>
<p>&#8211;Paul Williams (1968)</i><br />
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<p>Williams was also a good friend of Philip K. Dick, the science-fiction writer. Williams wrote a great book of essays and interviews with Dick: &#8220;Only Apparently Real: The World of Philip K. Dick.&#8221; I highly recommend for fun and insight and to anyone interested in PKD.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2022/01/04/open-thread-1-4-22/#comment-2599481</link>

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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 04:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: CS students

Zaphod:

They accept me as an oldtimer oddball who nonetheless may have the Right Stuff. But generally they are too busy to figure me out.

In the team programming class last Spring I was the lead for a three-person group. I was the only person doing real work until the last week. I crashed and told them I wasn&#039;t going to finish the full networking across multiple machines on Linux. I couldn&#039;t get the debugging to work at that level and I was exhausted. Fortunately a teammate was experienced on Unix and hacked the hell out of my design enough to get to full spec using printf debugging. Which was fine with me.

The teachers required us to grade each other and ourselves on all the niceties of team programming. Which I found horrible.

My resolution is to avoid all team programming for the rest of my courses, if at all possible.

The kids are all right -- the usual mix, I suspect. My impression is that everyone is working so hard and fast, I wonder how much they are really learning.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: CS students</p>
<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>They accept me as an oldtimer oddball who nonetheless may have the Right Stuff. But generally they are too busy to figure me out.</p>
<p>In the team programming class last Spring I was the lead for a three-person group. I was the only person doing real work until the last week. I crashed and told them I wasn&#8217;t going to finish the full networking across multiple machines on Linux. I couldn&#8217;t get the debugging to work at that level and I was exhausted. Fortunately a teammate was experienced on Unix and hacked the hell out of my design enough to get to full spec using printf debugging. Which was fine with me.</p>
<p>The teachers required us to grade each other and ourselves on all the niceties of team programming. Which I found horrible.</p>
<p>My resolution is to avoid all team programming for the rest of my courses, if at all possible.</p>
<p>The kids are all right &#8212; the usual mix, I suspect. My impression is that everyone is working so hard and fast, I wonder how much they are really learning.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 04:10:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Mind you, sounds like someone stuck a gamelan in a big barrel and rolled it down the road.&lt;/i&gt;

Zaphod:

Quite vivid imaging (so to speak)!

&quot;In C&quot; has a cunning plan:
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&lt;i&gt;&quot;In C&quot; consists of 53 short numbered musical phrases, lasting from half a beat to 32 beats; each phrase may be repeated an arbitrary number of times at the discretion of each musician in the ensemble. Each musician thus has control over which phrase they play, and players are encouraged to play the phrases starting at different times, even if they are playing the same phrase. In this way, although the melodic content of each part is predetermined, &quot;In C&quot; has elements of aleatoric music to it. --wiki&lt;/i&gt;
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I knew a bookstore owner whose mind was so blown by &quot;In C&quot; that he bought five vinyl copies when it came out and sealed up four in plastic covers. He figured he could ration his plays so that he would always have a decent copy to listen to for the rest of his life.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Mind you, sounds like someone stuck a gamelan in a big barrel and rolled it down the road.</i></p>
<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>Quite vivid imaging (so to speak)!</p>
<p>&#8220;In C&#8221; has a cunning plan:<br />
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<p><i>&#8220;In C&#8221; consists of 53 short numbered musical phrases, lasting from half a beat to 32 beats; each phrase may be repeated an arbitrary number of times at the discretion of each musician in the ensemble. Each musician thus has control over which phrase they play, and players are encouraged to play the phrases starting at different times, even if they are playing the same phrase. In this way, although the melodic content of each part is predetermined, &#8220;In C&#8221; has elements of aleatoric music to it. &#8211;wiki</i><br />
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<p>I knew a bookstore owner whose mind was so blown by &#8220;In C&#8221; that he bought five vinyl copies when it came out and sealed up four in plastic covers. He figured he could ration his plays so that he would always have a decent copy to listen to for the rest of his life.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 03:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

On a totally unrelated subject, I assure you.... What do your fellow infinitely younger fellow CS students make of you? What do you make of them?

Any and all anthropological observations might be of some interest to readers here.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>On a totally unrelated subject, I assure you&#8230;. What do your fellow infinitely younger fellow CS students make of you? What do you make of them?</p>
<p>Any and all anthropological observations might be of some interest to readers here.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 03:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

–“Joe Byrd And The Field Hippies..1969..Kalyani..You Can’t Ever Come Down”

You&#039;re not wrong about the transition. One of these these things is not like the other.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>–“Joe Byrd And The Field Hippies..1969..Kalyani..You Can’t Ever Come Down”</p>
<p>You&#8217;re not wrong about the transition. One of these these things is not like the other.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Jan 2022 03:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

When I did some searching for how best to set up my sub woofer I found a Serbian audiophile YouTube reviewer. He recommended a fellow Serb for some bass test tracks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nenad_Vasili%C4%87

Double Bass is good for this because the high frequency components of the plucking and slapping give you positional information whereas the bass string vibrations should not if everything is set up right.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>When I did some searching for how best to set up my sub woofer I found a Serbian audiophile YouTube reviewer. He recommended a fellow Serb for some bass test tracks.</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nenad_Vasili%C4%87" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nenad_Vasili%C4%87</a></p>
<p>Double Bass is good for this because the high frequency components of the plucking and slapping give you positional information whereas the bass string vibrations should not if everything is set up right.</p>
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