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		By: Tyro		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/12/29/the-huge-miscarriage-of-justice-in-the-potter-case/#comment-2598192</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tyro]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 23:58:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One of jurors has spoken to local news station and seemed to acknowledge that the jury fundamentally misapplied the legal standard.  https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/kim-potter-trial-juror-speaks-out/89-7fd1ff32-1464-4333-8255-568c304dfdd6 

Here&#039;s a good recap of what&#039;s emerged and the significance of that news by Nate &#038; friends - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJTYuIpKRZo&#038;t=566s]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of jurors has spoken to local news station and seemed to acknowledge that the jury fundamentally misapplied the legal standard.  <a href="https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/kim-potter-trial-juror-speaks-out/89-7fd1ff32-1464-4333-8255-568c304dfdd6" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/kim-potter-trial-juror-speaks-out/89-7fd1ff32-1464-4333-8255-568c304dfdd6</a> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a good recap of what&#8217;s emerged and the significance of that news by Nate &amp; friends &#8211; <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJTYuIpKRZo&#038;t=566s" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJTYuIpKRZo&#038;t=566s</a></p>
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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/12/29/the-huge-miscarriage-of-justice-in-the-potter-case/#comment-2598174</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ymarsakar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 23:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I was told to obey the police. What changed?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told to obey the police. What changed?</p>
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		By: AMartel		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AMartel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 18:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What a surprise; another shitty self-serving robed bureaucrat doing the politically expeditious thing at the expense of actually doing her job.  If the civil excessive force law wasn&#039;t so utterly FUBAR there would be a way to release pressure when cops make mistakes, and they do.  But the unions have that locked up tight; judges get elected by endorsement from law enforcement and are often prosecutors themselves.  Plus, people still think this is a partisan issue with conservatives on the LE side and libs for &quot;the people&quot; when it&#039;s in all our best interest to keep law enforcement honest and accountable while acknowledging the realities and difficulty of the job.  Plus, the USSC made some law (QI) which they apparently don&#039;t care to administer consistently.  If you&#039;re going to have &quot;judge-made law&quot; you damn well better be prepared to make sure it&#039;s fairly applied and not be waiting around for the &quot;perfect case.&quot;  Everyone&#039;s pointing fingers at someone else to fix it and busy assigning blame (and profiting from crime) while the vestiges of law enforcement credibility get shredded along with any hope that regular people will be protected by the people they pay to do so.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a surprise; another shitty self-serving robed bureaucrat doing the politically expeditious thing at the expense of actually doing her job.  If the civil excessive force law wasn&#8217;t so utterly FUBAR there would be a way to release pressure when cops make mistakes, and they do.  But the unions have that locked up tight; judges get elected by endorsement from law enforcement and are often prosecutors themselves.  Plus, people still think this is a partisan issue with conservatives on the LE side and libs for &#8220;the people&#8221; when it&#8217;s in all our best interest to keep law enforcement honest and accountable while acknowledging the realities and difficulty of the job.  Plus, the USSC made some law (QI) which they apparently don&#8217;t care to administer consistently.  If you&#8217;re going to have &#8220;judge-made law&#8221; you damn well better be prepared to make sure it&#8217;s fairly applied and not be waiting around for the &#8220;perfect case.&#8221;  Everyone&#8217;s pointing fingers at someone else to fix it and busy assigning blame (and profiting from crime) while the vestiges of law enforcement credibility get shredded along with any hope that regular people will be protected by the people they pay to do so.</p>
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		By: Ray+Van+Dune		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/12/29/the-huge-miscarriage-of-justice-in-the-potter-case/#comment-2598125</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ray+Van+Dune]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 18:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;This business will get out of control... it will get out of control and we&#039;ll be lucky to live through it!&quot;

This travesty is brought to you by Democrats, who have made creating racial strife in the US their core political strategy. May they rot in hell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This business will get out of control&#8230; it will get out of control and we&#8217;ll be lucky to live through it!&#8221;</p>
<p>This travesty is brought to you by Democrats, who have made creating racial strife in the US their core political strategy. May they rot in hell.</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/12/29/the-huge-miscarriage-of-justice-in-the-potter-case/#comment-2598102</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 15:57:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Steve:

My two female law classmates who were judges were tough. One sentenced to death some bank robbers and murderers. Affirmed on appeal. 

My point is that the Left is so out of control today with physical intimidation that on certain cases I can see a judge caving or rationalizing a decision. I really think that conservatives SCOTUS Justices (and their families) will be under threat if the abortion cases don&#039;t go the way the Left wants. If I was ACB, I don&#039;t know how I would rule as she as a young family. 

This is all part of the lawlessness that the Left practices these days. The Floyd riots certainly intimidated many judges and SCOTUS. 

Heck, there was a mob outside the courthouse when the Chauvin verdict was announced. That jury would have been lynched if they found him not guilty. That&#039;s why I thought that case should have been tried in Duluth and in the dead of winter. 

We&#039;ve reached a new low. We see that with open talk by the Left of packing SCOTUS. Decide cases our way. Or else!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve:</p>
<p>My two female law classmates who were judges were tough. One sentenced to death some bank robbers and murderers. Affirmed on appeal. </p>
<p>My point is that the Left is so out of control today with physical intimidation that on certain cases I can see a judge caving or rationalizing a decision. I really think that conservatives SCOTUS Justices (and their families) will be under threat if the abortion cases don&#8217;t go the way the Left wants. If I was ACB, I don&#8217;t know how I would rule as she as a young family. </p>
<p>This is all part of the lawlessness that the Left practices these days. The Floyd riots certainly intimidated many judges and SCOTUS. </p>
<p>Heck, there was a mob outside the courthouse when the Chauvin verdict was announced. That jury would have been lynched if they found him not guilty. That&#8217;s why I thought that case should have been tried in Duluth and in the dead of winter. </p>
<p>We&#8217;ve reached a new low. We see that with open talk by the Left of packing SCOTUS. Decide cases our way. Or else!</p>
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		By: Aggie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I am a stalwart defender of Law Enforcement and prone to defend their entangled cases before I even know all the facts.  Dare I express a dissenting view?  We hold LE in our minds to the highest standards - much like we do educators.  But have those views not become tarnished over time with good reason?  Does anyone else remember police chiefs taking a knee to express solidarity with certain fashionable political viewpoints?  Anybody else remember police in an array of jurisdictions being told to &#039;stand down&#039; by mayors as rioters burned and looted their way across town?  Anybody else remember a police chief coordinating opposing sides of a high-emotion protest in a way that &lt;i&gt;drove the groups together and guaranteed conflict&lt;/i&gt;?  Anybody else ever read about Civil Forfeiture?

Potter&#039;s case is tragic in its inherent unfairness and in its institutionalized abuse of The Law and its tenets - ain&#039;t the first time.  Potter is really a victim of her professional culture.  Police culture has too often made these professionals into pension hogs that serve The Powers that Be regardless of their oaths and regardless of their duty to uphold the law and keep the peace.  Who punishes the Punishers?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a stalwart defender of Law Enforcement and prone to defend their entangled cases before I even know all the facts.  Dare I express a dissenting view?  We hold LE in our minds to the highest standards &#8211; much like we do educators.  But have those views not become tarnished over time with good reason?  Does anyone else remember police chiefs taking a knee to express solidarity with certain fashionable political viewpoints?  Anybody else remember police in an array of jurisdictions being told to &#8216;stand down&#8217; by mayors as rioters burned and looted their way across town?  Anybody else remember a police chief coordinating opposing sides of a high-emotion protest in a way that <i>drove the groups together and guaranteed conflict</i>?  Anybody else ever read about Civil Forfeiture?</p>
<p>Potter&#8217;s case is tragic in its inherent unfairness and in its institutionalized abuse of The Law and its tenets &#8211; ain&#8217;t the first time.  Potter is really a victim of her professional culture.  Police culture has too often made these professionals into pension hogs that serve The Powers that Be regardless of their oaths and regardless of their duty to uphold the law and keep the peace.  Who punishes the Punishers?</p>
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		By: Leland		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Leland]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:18:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Steve and Cornhead, I&#039;m not a lawyer, but I think you both are likely right.  I know Judges are human and will make mistakes, and I&#039;m sure they can be intimidated or just want to fit into certain social circles.  I also think such behavior from a Judge that moves them away from their oath and civic duty is ultimately bad for justice.

In this Potter case, if this Judge normally denies bail after guilty convictions regardless of appeal; then I agree with the statement I heard from the Judge.  There is no reason at this point to treat Potter different than anyone else.  The jury said she was guilty and her apprehension with denial of bail would be consistent with this Judge&#039;s opinion of justice.  However, if this Judge behavior was different (for whatever reason), then a pox on their legal house.

A related issue to Steve and Cornhead are recent attempts by media politicos to convince medical personal to treat people by vaccination status rather then follow traditional triage methods.  You don&#039;t want medical people making moral judgements prior to determining medical care.  It has happened in the past and the results are repugnant.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Steve and Cornhead, I&#8217;m not a lawyer, but I think you both are likely right.  I know Judges are human and will make mistakes, and I&#8217;m sure they can be intimidated or just want to fit into certain social circles.  I also think such behavior from a Judge that moves them away from their oath and civic duty is ultimately bad for justice.</p>
<p>In this Potter case, if this Judge normally denies bail after guilty convictions regardless of appeal; then I agree with the statement I heard from the Judge.  There is no reason at this point to treat Potter different than anyone else.  The jury said she was guilty and her apprehension with denial of bail would be consistent with this Judge&#8217;s opinion of justice.  However, if this Judge behavior was different (for whatever reason), then a pox on their legal house.</p>
<p>A related issue to Steve and Cornhead are recent attempts by media politicos to convince medical personal to treat people by vaccination status rather then follow traditional triage methods.  You don&#8217;t want medical people making moral judgements prior to determining medical care.  It has happened in the past and the results are repugnant.</p>
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		By: Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 13:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Dear Cornhead, since I&#039;m a retired lawyer with forty-two years of litigation experience, I also know, and have known a fair number of judges.  All I can say in response to your comment is that, if a judge is too timid and pusillanimous to withstand outside pressure and apply the law as it exists, that judge deserves all the scorn that it is possible to heap upon him.  (Or in your case, relative to the &quot;two... female classmates&quot; of your acquaintance) her. I am disappointed to interpret your comment as not at all critical of such actions by judges.  Is this our new standard?  That since it is &quot;understandable&quot; that a judge might act unjudicially out of cowardice, it&#039;s acceptable?  Is that now the judicial climate in which you operate, apparently without cavil, viz., that judges can do what the mob wants them to do without disapproval?  That a solemn oath to uphold the law and apply it without bias against or in favor of anyone means nothing if fear of the mob can outweigh and overbear it?  If so, a pox on your legal house.  If 
I failed to detect some part of sarcasm or a veiled bit of condemnation of such a practice, please forgive me.  I take such things rather seriously.  Perhaps too seriously in this day and age.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Cornhead, since I&#8217;m a retired lawyer with forty-two years of litigation experience, I also know, and have known a fair number of judges.  All I can say in response to your comment is that, if a judge is too timid and pusillanimous to withstand outside pressure and apply the law as it exists, that judge deserves all the scorn that it is possible to heap upon him.  (Or in your case, relative to the &#8220;two&#8230; female classmates&#8221; of your acquaintance) her. I am disappointed to interpret your comment as not at all critical of such actions by judges.  Is this our new standard?  That since it is &#8220;understandable&#8221; that a judge might act unjudicially out of cowardice, it&#8217;s acceptable?  Is that now the judicial climate in which you operate, apparently without cavil, viz., that judges can do what the mob wants them to do without disapproval?  That a solemn oath to uphold the law and apply it without bias against or in favor of anyone means nothing if fear of the mob can outweigh and overbear it?  If so, a pox on your legal house.  If<br />
I failed to detect some part of sarcasm or a veiled bit of condemnation of such a practice, please forgive me.  I take such things rather seriously.  Perhaps too seriously in this day and age.</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 12:31:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Since I’m a lawyer, I actually know a number of judges. Two of my female classmates were state district court judges. Judges are human too. If I were an appellate judge in MN, I’d be scared to death to reverse both the Potter and Chauvin cases. I’m convinced fear was a good part of the reason why none of Trump’s election cases went anywhere. Fear and intimidation works.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since I’m a lawyer, I actually know a number of judges. Two of my female classmates were state district court judges. Judges are human too. If I were an appellate judge in MN, I’d be scared to death to reverse both the Potter and Chauvin cases. I’m convinced fear was a good part of the reason why none of Trump’s election cases went anywhere. Fear and intimidation works.</p>
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		By: Owen		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Owen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2021 04:44:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This is a travesty and a tragedy for all the reasons given.  I want to add my sense that it is terrifying because of the wider message it sends.

Every lawsuit --civil or criminal-- is a deadly serious piece of business for those directly involved: somebody may win, but net of legal fees and lost peace of mind or reputation, very few do.   And always, always, somebody loses.  Pay the damages, go to jail, whatever.

But every lawsuit is also larger than itself.  It is a little acting-out of the Play of Justice for every one of us both as precedent and as a direct lesson and warning if we choose to watch.

And watching the Potter prosecution and conviction, what I see is utterly depressing.  Each of us can imagine ourselves in Kim Potter&#039;s situation --as Daunte Wright struggled to escape, and then again as she struggled against the prosecution.  Each of us can look at how she was treated, and imagine ourselves in a similar plight.

And, people, I have to tell you, I don&#039;t like our odds.  This feels just so wrong.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a travesty and a tragedy for all the reasons given.  I want to add my sense that it is terrifying because of the wider message it sends.</p>
<p>Every lawsuit &#8211;civil or criminal&#8211; is a deadly serious piece of business for those directly involved: somebody may win, but net of legal fees and lost peace of mind or reputation, very few do.   And always, always, somebody loses.  Pay the damages, go to jail, whatever.</p>
<p>But every lawsuit is also larger than itself.  It is a little acting-out of the Play of Justice for every one of us both as precedent and as a direct lesson and warning if we choose to watch.</p>
<p>And watching the Potter prosecution and conviction, what I see is utterly depressing.  Each of us can imagine ourselves in Kim Potter&#8217;s situation &#8211;as Daunte Wright struggled to escape, and then again as she struggled against the prosecution.  Each of us can look at how she was treated, and imagine ourselves in a similar plight.</p>
<p>And, people, I have to tell you, I don&#8217;t like our odds.  This feels just so wrong.</p>
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