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		By: DNW		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/12/16/open-thread-12-16-21/#comment-2595148</link>

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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 19:30:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;The (n+1)th Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women:

https://orthosphere.wordpress.com/2021/12/16/women-and-evolution/

“…Women have evolved to be less ethnocentric than men and also, not to fight to the death. It is not in their interests to do so.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I agree, with certain provisos and reservations, that anecdotally - and much of what we take to be the historical record is a litany of anecdotes - it looks to be true. At least for broad swaths of humankind.

But we can always ask &quot;What of populations, or lineages composed of those who have not been war losers, or reduced to servility in say that last oh, thousand years?

Should we expect females in that population to be just as proportionally inclined to expressing that behavioral lability?

And supposing that a thousand years is not enough to cause natural selection to operate in the way we assume it has, let&#039;s assume that mechanisms of unnatural selection within certain populations have evolved to avoid just such kinds of in-group subversion. Let&#039;s suppose that homosexuals were for hundreds of years drowned face down in bogs in certain &quot;cultures&quot; or populations. Let&#039;s suppose that lesbian or promiscuous women were banished from the clan or strangled.

Does that mean that there would be &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;No&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt; Lydia Childs or Charles Sumners arising down the reproductive road? 

I&#039; cannot answer that. But I suspect that they might be fewer in a such a descendant population as I earlier described.

I think that the problem comes in in just saying &quot;Western&quot; or &quot;European&quot; as if they were all of one history, lineage, or culture.

Now, of course this is the point wherein someone chimes in about our &quot;Beaker Folk&quot; forefathers and &quot;our&quot; [yours not mine] extreme WHG ancient grandmothers.

Well, there again, I don&#039;t know just how significant a late neolithic event about which we really have no definite process record of, fits into the evolutionary biology theory you are referring to.

All this will become moot soon enough, as populations begin to produce designer offspring. Swifter, higher, stronger, more beautiful and of greater wit. And this process might, as much as anything else, finally spell the end of the potential for the noxious and subversive effect of homosexuality to arise within those populations the members of which would eliminate its manifestation in their associative network.

What a society of warrior athletes and goddess-like Stepford wives would really look like though, is anybody&#039;s guess.

Probably almost as dysfunctional as most others.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The (n+1)th Blast of the Trumpet Against the Monstrous Regiment of Women:</p>
<p><a href="https://orthosphere.wordpress.com/2021/12/16/women-and-evolution/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://orthosphere.wordpress.com/2021/12/16/women-and-evolution/</a></p>
<p>“…Women have evolved to be less ethnocentric than men and also, not to fight to the death. It is not in their interests to do so.</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree, with certain provisos and reservations, that anecdotally &#8211; and much of what we take to be the historical record is a litany of anecdotes &#8211; it looks to be true. At least for broad swaths of humankind.</p>
<p>But we can always ask &#8220;What of populations, or lineages composed of those who have not been war losers, or reduced to servility in say that last oh, thousand years?</p>
<p>Should we expect females in that population to be just as proportionally inclined to expressing that behavioral lability?</p>
<p>And supposing that a thousand years is not enough to cause natural selection to operate in the way we assume it has, let&#8217;s assume that mechanisms of unnatural selection within certain populations have evolved to avoid just such kinds of in-group subversion. Let&#8217;s suppose that homosexuals were for hundreds of years drowned face down in bogs in certain &#8220;cultures&#8221; or populations. Let&#8217;s suppose that lesbian or promiscuous women were banished from the clan or strangled.</p>
<p>Does that mean that there would be <i><b>No</b></i> Lydia Childs or Charles Sumners arising down the reproductive road? </p>
<p>I&#8217; cannot answer that. But I suspect that they might be fewer in a such a descendant population as I earlier described.</p>
<p>I think that the problem comes in in just saying &#8220;Western&#8221; or &#8220;European&#8221; as if they were all of one history, lineage, or culture.</p>
<p>Now, of course this is the point wherein someone chimes in about our &#8220;Beaker Folk&#8221; forefathers and &#8220;our&#8221; [yours not mine] extreme WHG ancient grandmothers.</p>
<p>Well, there again, I don&#8217;t know just how significant a late neolithic event about which we really have no definite process record of, fits into the evolutionary biology theory you are referring to.</p>
<p>All this will become moot soon enough, as populations begin to produce designer offspring. Swifter, higher, stronger, more beautiful and of greater wit. And this process might, as much as anything else, finally spell the end of the potential for the noxious and subversive effect of homosexuality to arise within those populations the members of which would eliminate its manifestation in their associative network.</p>
<p>What a society of warrior athletes and goddess-like Stepford wives would really look like though, is anybody&#8217;s guess.</p>
<p>Probably almost as dysfunctional as most others.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 18:46:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;TR on December 17, 2021 at 2:43 am said:	

DNW,

I’ve seen, what I guess, is the whole film, of “F is For Fake”, on an American, cable TV channel.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;


Thanks. I&#039;ll look out for it]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>TR on December 17, 2021 at 2:43 am said:	</p>
<p>DNW,</p>
<p>I’ve seen, what I guess, is the whole film, of “F is For Fake”, on an American, cable TV channel.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks. I&#8217;ll look out for it</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 13:55:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[re the Patty Hearst phenomenon, see Bad Eagle&#039;s Question:

https://ricochet.com/771458/bad-eagles-question/

I have noted, though, that an awful lot of the people who have shown the courage to stand up against Wokeness are in fact women...Heather MacDonald, Abigail Shrier, Bari Weiss, Gail Heriot, JK Rowling, to name a few.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re the Patty Hearst phenomenon, see Bad Eagle&#8217;s Question:</p>
<p><a href="https://ricochet.com/771458/bad-eagles-question/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://ricochet.com/771458/bad-eagles-question/</a></p>
<p>I have noted, though, that an awful lot of the people who have shown the courage to stand up against Wokeness are in fact women&#8230;Heather MacDonald, Abigail Shrier, Bari Weiss, Gail Heriot, JK Rowling, to name a few.</p>
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		By: Snow on Pine		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snow on Pine]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 12:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Facing policy disaster after policy disaster, and as Biden sinks into all too obvious dementia and incoherence,  it appears that the Biden Administration/Democrats are releasing a series of “bright shiny objects,” distractions to divert attention from those policy disasters, and the likelihood of a President Harris.

Thus, we have all the new information about and focus on UFOs, the release of the formerly secret files on JFK’s assassination,  and I presume other such objects coming down the pike, each one designed to fascinate and preoccupy some large number of people who would otherwise be focused on Biden’s crumbling agenda and Administration.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Facing policy disaster after policy disaster, and as Biden sinks into all too obvious dementia and incoherence,  it appears that the Biden Administration/Democrats are releasing a series of “bright shiny objects,” distractions to divert attention from those policy disasters, and the likelihood of a President Harris.</p>
<p>Thus, we have all the new information about and focus on UFOs, the release of the formerly secret files on JFK’s assassination,  and I presume other such objects coming down the pike, each one designed to fascinate and preoccupy some large number of people who would otherwise be focused on Biden’s crumbling agenda and Administration.</p>
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		By: Anonymous		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:20:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So this is where Z got his vast knowledge about the US. A business trip to King County WA, 20 years ago.  From such beginnings legends are made.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this is where Z got his vast knowledge about the US. A business trip to King County WA, 20 years ago.  From such beginnings legends are made.</p>
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		By: TR		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TR]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[DNW,

 I&#039;ve seen, what I guess, is the whole film, of &quot;F is For Fake&quot;, on an American, cable TV channel.
 
 It was on one of these channels, I think: American Classic Movies, or Turner Classic Movies.

  If you look at the sites for these channels, you might see the film on their schedule(s), in the future.

 Cheers, TR]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DNW,</p>
<p> I&#8217;ve seen, what I guess, is the whole film, of &#8220;F is For Fake&#8221;, on an American, cable TV channel.</p>
<p> It was on one of these channels, I think: American Classic Movies, or Turner Classic Movies.</p>
<p>  If you look at the sites for these channels, you might see the film on their schedule(s), in the future.</p>
<p> Cheers, TR</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 05:31:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ChasesEagles:

Doubt they’d have given me a security clearance to work on that! (Ask Om about it :P). And I’d pretty much shaken most of the Australian dust from my sandals almost a decade earlier. But would have been very near… a hop and a skip from where I was staying at the Lakes across the road from the River Bend golf course. I seem to recall Boeing Aerospace and a bunch of other guys up the road in amongst the fulfillment warehouses.

I was bumming around on a multi-nation sabbatical at the time. By some weird coincidence starting in Jakarta several months before, I somehow knew the Indonesian Chinese girl who managed the Panda Express at South Center. Some of the best diet and lifestyle advice I ever got was from learning all about Sysco and pre-fried orange chicken which comes in frozen sacks and various other horrors. Been on a health kick ever since.

What I remember most about Kent apart from how pleasant it was to walk around the Golf Course perimeter just before dusk is that the best food by far was Mexican. Provided one went early to avoid the fights.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ChasesEagles:</p>
<p>Doubt they’d have given me a security clearance to work on that! (Ask Om about it :P). And I’d pretty much shaken most of the Australian dust from my sandals almost a decade earlier. But would have been very near… a hop and a skip from where I was staying at the Lakes across the road from the River Bend golf course. I seem to recall Boeing Aerospace and a bunch of other guys up the road in amongst the fulfillment warehouses.</p>
<p>I was bumming around on a multi-nation sabbatical at the time. By some weird coincidence starting in Jakarta several months before, I somehow knew the Indonesian Chinese girl who managed the Panda Express at South Center. Some of the best diet and lifestyle advice I ever got was from learning all about Sysco and pre-fried orange chicken which comes in frozen sacks and various other horrors. Been on a health kick ever since.</p>
<p>What I remember most about Kent apart from how pleasant it was to walk around the Golf Course perimeter just before dusk is that the best food by far was Mexican. Provided one went early to avoid the fights.</p>
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		By: Chases Eagles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chases Eagles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 05:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod,
Wedgetail?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod,<br />
Wedgetail?</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 04:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ChasesEagles:

Damn... If I&#039;d spent another 6 weeks in Kent (yes, I know... the shame!) in 2002, I&#039;d have heard that song!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ChasesEagles:</p>
<p>Damn&#8230; If I&#8217;d spent another 6 weeks in Kent (yes, I know&#8230; the shame!) in 2002, I&#8217;d have heard that song!</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2021 04:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Perhaps insufficient emphasis for your purposes.&quot;

:)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Perhaps insufficient emphasis for your purposes.&#8221;</p>
<p>🙂</p>
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