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		By: Interesting Items 12/13 &#8211; Interesting Items		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[[&#8230;] shooter for allowing access to the firearm he brought to school and shot 12 with, killing 4.&#160; Prosecutors claimed in court that the parents purchased the firearm for the kid, and he had complete access to it, something emphatically disputed by both parents and their [&#8230;]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] shooter for allowing access to the firearm he brought to school and shot 12 with, killing 4.&nbsp; Prosecutors claimed in court that the parents purchased the firearm for the kid, and he had complete access to it, something emphatically disputed by both parents and their [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2021 04:50:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Well, I can&#039;t resist:
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&lt;i&gt;Yesterday in old Fall River
Mr. Andrew Borden died
And he got his daughter, Lizzie
On a charge of homicide

Some folks say she didn&#039;t do it
And others say of course she did
But they all agree, Miss Lizzie B
Was a problem kinda kid

&#039;Cause you can&#039;t chop your
Papa up in Massachausetts
Not even if it&#039;s planned
As a surprise (a surprise)
No, you can&#039;t chop your
Papa up in Massachausetts
You know how neighbors love to criticize

--Chad Mitchell Trio, &quot;Lizzie Borden&quot; (1962)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuDBO1rIrb4&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I can&#8217;t resist:<br />
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<p><i>Yesterday in old Fall River<br />
Mr. Andrew Borden died<br />
And he got his daughter, Lizzie<br />
On a charge of homicide</p>
<p>Some folks say she didn&#8217;t do it<br />
And others say of course she did<br />
But they all agree, Miss Lizzie B<br />
Was a problem kinda kid</p>
<p>&#8216;Cause you can&#8217;t chop your<br />
Papa up in Massachausetts<br />
Not even if it&#8217;s planned<br />
As a surprise (a surprise)<br />
No, you can&#8217;t chop your<br />
Papa up in Massachausetts<br />
You know how neighbors love to criticize</p>
<p>&#8211;Chad Mitchell Trio, &#8220;Lizzie Borden&#8221; (1962)<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuDBO1rIrb4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SuDBO1rIrb4</a></i></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Dec 2021 03:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Kate:

I&#039;m convinced genetics counts for quite a lot, but not everything. Dr. Fallon believes that the love and attention he received from his parents made a big difference between him and, say, his relative, Lizzie Borden. (Who remembers her these days?)

I don&#039;t believe I was in danger of going that way myself, but I would be a different and worse person today without the love and kindness I experienced from various people along the way.

It&#039;s something to consider -- there are always people, particularly young ones, watching for signs of love, kindness and sanity because they aren&#039;t sure how to make those happen for themselves, but they would very much like to learn. 

You could help make that difference without even knowing it.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kate:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m convinced genetics counts for quite a lot, but not everything. Dr. Fallon believes that the love and attention he received from his parents made a big difference between him and, say, his relative, Lizzie Borden. (Who remembers her these days?)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe I was in danger of going that way myself, but I would be a different and worse person today without the love and kindness I experienced from various people along the way.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s something to consider &#8212; there are always people, particularly young ones, watching for signs of love, kindness and sanity because they aren&#8217;t sure how to make those happen for themselves, but they would very much like to learn. </p>
<p>You could help make that difference without even knowing it.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 22:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I think that&#039;s interesting, huxley, on sociopathy/psychopathy. As my reading (not too extensive on the subject) indicates, medical and psychiatric experts cannot really put their finger definitively on what makes people behave like this. It runs in families, but that could be either behavioral, genetic, or a combination thereof.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that&#8217;s interesting, huxley, on sociopathy/psychopathy. As my reading (not too extensive on the subject) indicates, medical and psychiatric experts cannot really put their finger definitively on what makes people behave like this. It runs in families, but that could be either behavioral, genetic, or a combination thereof.</p>
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		By: DNW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[DNW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 22:39:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I am a gun guy and I have taught my kids and grandkids how to safely use guns under adult supervision, when one of my grandsons was 20 going to college and wanted to borrow one of my pistols my answer to his request was “Hell no, wait a year until you are 21 and buy your own pistol because there is no way I would ever let you use one of mine unless we are at the gun range.” To me the law is that plain and simple.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Bingo!

Firearms are not toys.  Grown up and responsible men know that and convey the seriousness of that to their offspring.

What some kid does on his 18th (or as you say 21st) birthday - like picking up a black powder pistol and blasting away at bottles and cans on a woodpile in the north country, is legally his responsibility.

You tell a minor ward who cannot according to the law be presumed legally responsible, that a gun is his and make it available to him, then you are responsible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;I am a gun guy and I have taught my kids and grandkids how to safely use guns under adult supervision, when one of my grandsons was 20 going to college and wanted to borrow one of my pistols my answer to his request was “Hell no, wait a year until you are 21 and buy your own pistol because there is no way I would ever let you use one of mine unless we are at the gun range.” To me the law is that plain and simple.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Bingo!</p>
<p>Firearms are not toys.  Grown up and responsible men know that and convey the seriousness of that to their offspring.</p>
<p>What some kid does on his 18th (or as you say 21st) birthday &#8211; like picking up a black powder pistol and blasting away at bottles and cans on a woodpile in the north country, is legally his responsibility.</p>
<p>You tell a minor ward who cannot according to the law be presumed legally responsible, that a gun is his and make it available to him, then you are responsible.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 22:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039; an interesting article about a neuroscientist who was examining brain scans for psychopaths, looked at his own from a different pile, and discovered his scan showed all the signs of being a psychopath!
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&lt;i&gt;It wasn’t entirely a shock to Fallon, as he’d always been aware that he was someone especially motivated by power and manipulating others, he says. Additionally, his family line included seven alleged murderers, including Lizzie Borden, infamously accused of killing her father and stepmother in 1892.

But the fact that a person with the genes and brain of a psychopath could end up a non-violent, stable and successful scientist made Fallon reconsider the ambiguity of the term. Psychopathy, after all, doesn’t appear as a formal diagnosis in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders in part because it encompasses such a wide range of symptoms. Not all psychopaths kill; some, like Fallon, exhibit other sorts of psychopathic behavior.
...
Why has Fallon been able to temper his behavior, while other people with similar genetics and brain turn violent and end up in prison? Fallon was once a self-proclaimed genetic determinist, but his views on the influence of genes on behavior have evolved. He now believes that his childhood helped prevent him from heading down a scarier path.

“I was loved, and that protected me,” he says. Partly as a result of a series of miscarriages that preceded his birth, he was given an especially heavy amount of attention from his parents, and he thinks that played a key role.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscientist-who-discovered-he-was-a-psychopath-180947814/&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217; an interesting article about a neuroscientist who was examining brain scans for psychopaths, looked at his own from a different pile, and discovered his scan showed all the signs of being a psychopath!<br />
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<p><i>It wasn’t entirely a shock to Fallon, as he’d always been aware that he was someone especially motivated by power and manipulating others, he says. Additionally, his family line included seven alleged murderers, including Lizzie Borden, infamously accused of killing her father and stepmother in 1892.</p>
<p>But the fact that a person with the genes and brain of a psychopath could end up a non-violent, stable and successful scientist made Fallon reconsider the ambiguity of the term. Psychopathy, after all, doesn’t appear as a formal diagnosis in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders in part because it encompasses such a wide range of symptoms. Not all psychopaths kill; some, like Fallon, exhibit other sorts of psychopathic behavior.<br />
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Why has Fallon been able to temper his behavior, while other people with similar genetics and brain turn violent and end up in prison? Fallon was once a self-proclaimed genetic determinist, but his views on the influence of genes on behavior have evolved. He now believes that his childhood helped prevent him from heading down a scarier path.</p>
<p>“I was loved, and that protected me,” he says. Partly as a result of a series of miscarriages that preceded his birth, he was given an especially heavy amount of attention from his parents, and he thinks that played a key role.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscientist-who-discovered-he-was-a-psychopath-180947814/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-neuroscientist-who-discovered-he-was-a-psychopath-180947814/</a></i></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 21:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I was in 5th grade, I went through a phase of violent drawing and writing in creative school assignments. Blood, knives, stabbed hearts strung out on a clothes line. I believe it was the backwash of living with my stepfather. I wasn&#039;t a happy camper. 

One of my  teachers noticed and asked some gentle questions. By then I knew better than to talk about my home life to teachers. 

I was harmless. I wouldn&#039;t have done anything, but I was deeply angry for years of my young life. 

I don&#039;t know what anyone could have done or should have done. Thank God for good friends and, in a few cases, their parents. 

That started to heal when I got away from home, went to college and became a hippie. 

As weird as it might sound here, becoming a hippie was a born-again experience for me. It helped me to let go, trust and enjoy life and people. Which is why I still speak of that time and that movement with such fondness.

--Melanie - Carolina In My Mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSTmDjg8JQ]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I was in 5th grade, I went through a phase of violent drawing and writing in creative school assignments. Blood, knives, stabbed hearts strung out on a clothes line. I believe it was the backwash of living with my stepfather. I wasn&#8217;t a happy camper. </p>
<p>One of my  teachers noticed and asked some gentle questions. By then I knew better than to talk about my home life to teachers. </p>
<p>I was harmless. I wouldn&#8217;t have done anything, but I was deeply angry for years of my young life. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what anyone could have done or should have done. Thank God for good friends and, in a few cases, their parents. </p>
<p>That started to heal when I got away from home, went to college and became a hippie. </p>
<p>As weird as it might sound here, becoming a hippie was a born-again experience for me. It helped me to let go, trust and enjoy life and people. Which is why I still speak of that time and that movement with such fondness.</p>
<p>&#8211;Melanie &#8211; Carolina In My Mind<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSTmDjg8JQ" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brSTmDjg8JQ</a></p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 20:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Basically, reports are still emerging, and the full picture of what this shooter&#039;s mental state was, and the conditions of his home, are not yet clear. The prosecutor appears to have charged the parents with insufficient information and with the intent of attacking gun laws rather than looking carefully at the circumstances and charging according to Michigan law.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically, reports are still emerging, and the full picture of what this shooter&#8217;s mental state was, and the conditions of his home, are not yet clear. The prosecutor appears to have charged the parents with insufficient information and with the intent of attacking gun laws rather than looking carefully at the circumstances and charging according to Michigan law.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Old TExan:

What the parents did is not against the law. So although to you the law is &quot;plain and simple,&quot; what you are suggesting charging them with is not the law.  It is an emotional reaction, because the crime is bad and you think they were irresponsible.

So far there has been zero evidence of any emotional problem or aggression from this kid prior to shortly before the shootings.  So although many people have trouble believing that, it is apparently the case.  As I&#039;ve said before, psychopaths often are very good at hiding their violent impulses until they commit a crime. In addition, sometimes teenagers and people in their 20s have sudden psychotic breaks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old TExan:</p>
<p>What the parents did is not against the law. So although to you the law is &#8220;plain and simple,&#8221; what you are suggesting charging them with is not the law.  It is an emotional reaction, because the crime is bad and you think they were irresponsible.</p>
<p>So far there has been zero evidence of any emotional problem or aggression from this kid prior to shortly before the shootings.  So although many people have trouble believing that, it is apparently the case.  As I&#8217;ve said before, psychopaths often are very good at hiding their violent impulses until they commit a crime. In addition, sometimes teenagers and people in their 20s have sudden psychotic breaks.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2021 20:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;I am not currently in prison for murder because it never occurred to me. &lt;/i&gt;

As it does not occur to 98% of the young men in this country.  At any time. Ever.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I am not currently in prison for murder because it never occurred to me. </i></p>
<p>As it does not occur to 98% of the young men in this country.  At any time. Ever.</p>
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