Comments on: The Supreme Court and abortion: on the brink?

By: ErisGuy

ErisGuy — Sat, 04 Dec 2021 09:54:56 +0000

Yes, courts make factual decisions, but do they do it in the required time frame?

No. The sixth amendment is dead, too.

By: ErisGuy

ErisGuy — Sat, 04 Dec 2021 09:44:12 +0000

Yes, we definitely need a Constitutional amendment to decide which life is unworthy of life.

While we don’t publicly entertain ourselves watching people be torn apart by bears in the Colosseum, we don’t love life near as much as we think we do nor as much as we should.

By: R2L

R2L — Sat, 04 Dec 2021 04:05:08 +0000

If we believe that [potential] human life begins at conception/fertilization, then a contraceptive method that prevents fertilization presumably has limited moral issues [except for the Catholic view that any attempt to thwart procreation is a sin?]
But my understanding is that the chemical contraceptives don’t do that, but instead are abortifacients [who comes up with these words!?] that act to prevent the now fertilized ovum from implanting on the urterine wall. Thus the continued potentiality of the potential human is reduced or voided. So by some viewpoints, this form of contraception is morally equivalent to a physical abortion of an older fetus. But if the woman is not actually aware that this (possibility) has in fact occurred, then I suppose the moral issue is reduced or also voided?

But even Nature seems to end up with 10 to 25% of pregnancies miscarrying [a figure much higher than I would have expected, given modern medicine, etc.] While there are presumably (usually) no moral issues when this happens (act of God, etc.) it also adds to the view that preserving even “merely” potential human life is precious.

Molly-Brown: “…almost everyone under 35 has seen a sonogram of their self.” A great observation, one where everyone “knows that”, or knows that it is possible, but it escapes being fully recognized until someone explicitly mentions it. Makes me wonder why the pro-life forces don’t taunt the pro-abortion people with comments similar to “aren’t you glad your mother didn’t abort you … for convenience?”

By: Rufus T. Firefly

Rufus T. Firefly — Fri, 03 Dec 2021 21:46:35 +0000

Thanks for the clarification, Martin.

By: Jeanne

Jeanne — Fri, 03 Dec 2021 21:10:16 +0000

I am worried if the Supreme Court curtails in the slightest the present abortion law that Democrats will hold both houses next year and the presidency in 2024.

I do also worry about some girls and women who live in terrible situations and truly might resort to horrific measures to end their pregnancies if abortion is made illegal. One of my aunts died from such circumstances as a teenager growing up in poverty.

There is no easy answer on abortion. Democrats are salivating over the prospect of a muscular set of rulings from the Supreme Court. It would lock in their power for a long time, in my view.

By: Martin

Martin — Fri, 03 Dec 2021 19:50:42 +0000

Rufus T. Firefly
Longer ago than 2020

According to CBS news (an untrusted source to be sure but I will use them for this)
June 20th, 2013
“The FDA announced on Thursday that it would allow all women with child-bearing potential to purchase the emergency contraceptive over-the-counter without any age or point-of-sale barriers.

Plan B-One Step (levonorgestrel) is a form of the “morning-after pill,” a type of emergency contraception that drastically reduces the chance of pregnancy after a woman has engaged in unprotected sex. There are currently three types of morning-after pills for sale in the U.S.: Plan B One-Step, Plan B, and ella. Plan B is currently available for women 17 and older over the counter, and requires a prescription for those under the age limit. Ella requires a prescription regardless of age.”

By: Kate

Kate — Fri, 03 Dec 2021 18:45:33 +0000

CapnRusty, seems to me that would be trying to do a Dred Scott on the situation. Opponents of Roe are saying it ought to be legislated state by state.

According to our local lefty news site, abortionists here in NC are already bracing themselves, they say, for numbers of women coming here from other states. That will work until we get a Republican super-majority in the state legislature. After they pass sensible voting laws, I wouldn’t be surprised if they went on to a law like the one in Mississippi.

By: Rufus T. Firefly

Rufus T. Firefly — Fri, 03 Dec 2021 18:38:18 +0000

Martin,

I think a lot of states used the pandemic to change it to OTC since women couldn’t get to their doctors in a timely manner.

By: Martin

Martin — Fri, 03 Dec 2021 18:00:00 +0000

The morning after pill branded Plan B is already approved OTC by the FDA. I have seen it in a grocery store in Kansas. With that stated I would guess that it is available OTC in almost all states.

By: CapnRusty

CapnRusty — Fri, 03 Dec 2021 16:32:02 +0000

Let’s posit that the law recognizes a baby in a woman’s womb after fifteen weeks as a person. Thus, a law making it a crime for a woman to abort the baby in her womb after fifteen weeks protects the baby person. If my state has such a law, is it somehow not a crime in my state for the woman to go to another state to abort the baby?