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		By: OBloody Hell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;I had never even heard of Tiffany until a couple of days ago…I must have been deep into parenting/homeschooling when she was popular with I Think We’re Alone Now.&lt;/i&gt;

No surprise. Tiffany was one of those &quot;15m of fame&quot; types who was cute and found someone to promote her for about ... 14 minutes. She disappeared almost as fast as she arose.

Talent? Uh... she appeared in Playboy about 10-15y later. One of the many of her ilk.

}}} &lt;i&gt;And, even though I love Joan Jett, I never knew she did Crimson &#038; Clover!&lt;/i&gt;

It&#039;s an ok version. TJ&#038;S did a much better one.


}}} &lt;b&gt; I prefer to have a chance of undoing a tyranny, as a republic offers.&lt;/b&gt;

Well said. Our biggest travail at this point is to have our SCotUS actually start acting like it should be. How the hell are the 1621 people still in jail defines the actual nature of the real concern. They should be stomping all over that.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>I had never even heard of Tiffany until a couple of days ago…I must have been deep into parenting/homeschooling when she was popular with I Think We’re Alone Now.</i></p>
<p>No surprise. Tiffany was one of those &#8220;15m of fame&#8221; types who was cute and found someone to promote her for about &#8230; 14 minutes. She disappeared almost as fast as she arose.</p>
<p>Talent? Uh&#8230; she appeared in Playboy about 10-15y later. One of the many of her ilk.</p>
<p>}}} <i>And, even though I love Joan Jett, I never knew she did Crimson &amp; Clover!</i></p>
<p>It&#8217;s an ok version. TJ&amp;S did a much better one.</p>
<p>}}} <b> I prefer to have a chance of undoing a tyranny, as a republic offers.</b></p>
<p>Well said. Our biggest travail at this point is to have our SCotUS actually start acting like it should be. How the hell are the 1621 people still in jail defines the actual nature of the real concern. They should be stomping all over that.</p>
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		By: OBloody Hell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/27/open-thread-11-27-21/#comment-2591568</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Nov 2021 16:44:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;Not being suckered into that earworm thank you very much.&lt;/i&gt;

Not an earworm. It&#039;s a decent song. Catchy? Yes, but that&#039;s not the only quality of an earworm. An earworm is also a pedestrian piece of garbage that does nothing whatsoever as a song.  ITWAN is actually a decent song, and &lt;b&gt;kind of &lt;i&gt;fun&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/b&gt; 

That last part, if nothing else, defends it from earworm status, as is true of the Archies &quot;Sugar Sugar&quot; as well as pretty much anything by Hall &#038; Oates from 15y later. 

Is it deep and meaningful? No. But that&#039;s true of a lot of songs.
;-)

}}} &lt;i&gt;But “The Lion Sleeps Tonight,”a weem a woch a weem a woch&lt;/i&gt;

Now THAT is an earworm... along with &quot;Come on, Eileen&quot;.

Just for that, you deserve this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB7ACr7pUuE]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>Not being suckered into that earworm thank you very much.</i></p>
<p>Not an earworm. It&#8217;s a decent song. Catchy? Yes, but that&#8217;s not the only quality of an earworm. An earworm is also a pedestrian piece of garbage that does nothing whatsoever as a song.  ITWAN is actually a decent song, and <b>kind of <i>fun</i>.</b> </p>
<p>That last part, if nothing else, defends it from earworm status, as is true of the Archies &#8220;Sugar Sugar&#8221; as well as pretty much anything by Hall &amp; Oates from 15y later. </p>
<p>Is it deep and meaningful? No. But that&#8217;s true of a lot of songs.<br />
😉</p>
<p>}}} <i>But “The Lion Sleeps Tonight,”a weem a woch a weem a woch</i></p>
<p>Now THAT is an earworm&#8230; along with &#8220;Come on, Eileen&#8221;.</p>
<p>Just for that, you deserve this:<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB7ACr7pUuE" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB7ACr7pUuE</a></p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/27/open-thread-11-27-21/#comment-2591427</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bike helmets always a good idea.

I&#039;ve got Cycliq (the Upride guys) front and rear combo lights/cameras on my bikes -- If I meet my demise at the hands of a bus driver at least he&#039;s going to be tied up in paperwork for the rest of his sorry existence.

There is something very cathartic about having a good curse at dangerous drivers while out riding. I find my posting here mellows out for at least a day after a particularly egregious close scrape.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike helmets always a good idea.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve got Cycliq (the Upride guys) front and rear combo lights/cameras on my bikes &#8212; If I meet my demise at the hands of a bus driver at least he&#8217;s going to be tied up in paperwork for the rest of his sorry existence.</p>
<p>There is something very cathartic about having a good curse at dangerous drivers while out riding. I find my posting here mellows out for at least a day after a particularly egregious close scrape.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/27/open-thread-11-27-21/#comment-2591424</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Actually, I thought it was quite amusing...
Can evil ALSO be amusing?
Hmmm... Discuss! 
(But maybe we should first consult with Lance Armstrong...)

Anyway, I liked the Bike-Accident porn---jackrabbits!!
OTOH, based on the wipe-outs I&#039;ve had, it&#039;s more like, &quot;We have met  the enemy and he is US&quot;.... Fortunately, I was wearing a helmet...(Got it as a gift five weeks prior and figured I might as well wear it; before that I was an inveterate Who-needs-a-helmet?? type of guy...

And so, &quot;Make Cycling Great Again!&quot;(?)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I thought it was quite amusing&#8230;<br />
Can evil ALSO be amusing?<br />
Hmmm&#8230; Discuss!<br />
(But maybe we should first consult with Lance Armstrong&#8230;)</p>
<p>Anyway, I liked the Bike-Accident porn&#8212;jackrabbits!!<br />
OTOH, based on the wipe-outs I&#8217;ve had, it&#8217;s more like, &#8220;We have met  the enemy and he is US&#8221;&#8230;. Fortunately, I was wearing a helmet&#8230;(Got it as a gift five weeks prior and figured I might as well wear it; before that I was an inveterate Who-needs-a-helmet?? type of guy&#8230;</p>
<p>And so, &#8220;Make Cycling Great Again!&#8221;(?)</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Barry Meislin:

That is just evil and belongs in the innermost circle of Cyclists Hell -- along with the drivers in these videos.

https://upride.cc/

The Laufmaschine / Draisine / Balance Bike invented in 1817 ought really to have been invented either in the classical world or China 2000 years ago. But it wasn&#039;t because it was so obvious that you couldn&#039;t balance on two wheels that nobody ever bothered to build one and try it out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barry Meislin:</p>
<p>That is just evil and belongs in the innermost circle of Cyclists Hell &#8212; along with the drivers in these videos.</p>
<p><a href="https://upride.cc/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://upride.cc/</a></p>
<p>The Laufmaschine / Draisine / Balance Bike invented in 1817 ought really to have been invented either in the classical world or China 2000 years ago. But it wasn&#8217;t because it was so obvious that you couldn&#8217;t balance on two wheels that nobody ever bothered to build one and try it out.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/27/open-thread-11-27-21/#comment-2591418</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 07:14:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Raise ye&#039;...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqwfGUhYBEA
Key graf:
&quot;...Knowledge is NOT understanding...&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raise ye&#8217;&#8230;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqwfGUhYBEA" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqwfGUhYBEA</a><br />
Key graf:<br />
&#8220;&#8230;Knowledge is NOT understanding&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/27/open-thread-11-27-21/#comment-2591412</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 05:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Something Less Contentious:

We Built An Unrideable Bike To Show How Bikes Work

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cNmUNHSBac]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something Less Contentious:</p>
<p>We Built An Unrideable Bike To Show How Bikes Work</p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cNmUNHSBac" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cNmUNHSBac</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/27/open-thread-11-27-21/#comment-2591395</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 02:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Re: &quot;I Think We&#039;re Alone Now&quot;

My favorite quirky New Wave act from the 80s was Lene Lovich. Long braided hair, a uniform from a future in which Romania became a world power, a warbling sci-fi voice (she actually did gigs dubbing horror movie screams) with a bald sci-fi guitar player.

Great debut album with her cover of &quot;Alone Now&quot;, which takes Tommy James to a whole &#039;nother place without losing the adolescent charm:

--Lene Lovich, &quot;I Think We&#039;re Alone Now&quot;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJRGdQSvwjU]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: &#8220;I Think We&#8217;re Alone Now&#8221;</p>
<p>My favorite quirky New Wave act from the 80s was Lene Lovich. Long braided hair, a uniform from a future in which Romania became a world power, a warbling sci-fi voice (she actually did gigs dubbing horror movie screams) with a bald sci-fi guitar player.</p>
<p>Great debut album with her cover of &#8220;Alone Now&#8221;, which takes Tommy James to a whole &#8216;nother place without losing the adolescent charm:</p>
<p>&#8211;Lene Lovich, &#8220;I Think We&#8217;re Alone Now&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJRGdQSvwjU" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJRGdQSvwjU</a></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/27/open-thread-11-27-21/#comment-2591393</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 02:12:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;[Tommy James &#038; the Shondells] did several very good songs including :Hanky Panky”&lt;/i&gt;

SHIREHOME:

One of my favorite rock quotes by someone I hadn&#039;t heard of, but won my heart immediately:
______________________________

&lt;i&gt;When I read critical reviews of the latest Radiohead release, I start thinking that maybe Rock-N-Roll has strayed a bit too far from &quot;My Baby Does The Hanky Panky&quot; for my taste.

--Todd Snider&lt;/i&gt;
______________________________

Amen, Brothers and Sisters!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>[Tommy James &amp; the Shondells] did several very good songs including :Hanky Panky”</i></p>
<p>SHIREHOME:</p>
<p>One of my favorite rock quotes by someone I hadn&#8217;t heard of, but won my heart immediately:<br />
______________________________</p>
<p><i>When I read critical reviews of the latest Radiohead release, I start thinking that maybe Rock-N-Roll has strayed a bit too far from &#8220;My Baby Does The Hanky Panky&#8221; for my taste.</p>
<p>&#8211;Todd Snider</i><br />
______________________________</p>
<p>Amen, Brothers and Sisters!</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/27/open-thread-11-27-21/#comment-2591376</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Nov 2021 00:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ TJ &#062; &quot;Second, SA Dr Angelique Coetzee observed a change in her patient’s symptomatic presentation: &lt;b&gt;no loss of taste or smell like with Delta, but bad fatigue&lt;/b&gt; and high pulse rates. Otherwise, it’s a milder infection than previously seen. But only quantitative data will soon give these anecdotal accounts scientific respect, and policy weight, we hope.&quot;

Per his Daily Mail link:
&lt;blockquote&gt;
Scientists have said they are concerned about the B.1.1.529 variant, named by the World Health Organisation as Omicron, as it has around 30 different mutations - double the amount present in the Delta variant. The mutations contain features seen in all of the other variants but also traits that have not been seen before. 

&lt;b&gt;UK scientists first became aware of the new strain on November 23 &lt;/b&gt;after samples were uploaded on to a coronavirus variant tracking website from South Africa, Hong Kong and then Botswana. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

AesopSpouse and I likely just finished a run of the O-Covid, judging by the symptoms we had, although with no fever &#038; we didn&#039;t check pulse rates. 

But how could that be, since we were exposed here in the US (along with most of our local church members) on &lt;b&gt;November 6?&lt;/b&gt;

Well, that&#039;s because &lt;b&gt;B.1.1.529 was discovered in July&lt;/b&gt;, and the WHO have been dithering around over whether it was Nu (or Xi) or Omicron, and conveniently memory-holing the earlier date while they were at it.

Per Stacy Rudin on Twitter:
&lt;blockquote&gt;WHO, November 2021: “The first known confirmed B.1.1.529 infection was from a specimen collected on 9 November 2021.”

&lt;b&gt;WEF, July 2021:&lt;/b&gt; “Scientists in South Africa have discovered a small number of cases of a new COVID variant…named B.1.1.529.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And her link for that earlier date:
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/how-scientists-detect-new-covid-19-variants/
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;12 Jul 2021&lt;/b&gt;
Douglas Broom Senior Writer, Formative Content

This article was last updated on 26 November 2021.

South African scientists have discovered a new COVID-19 variant.
Around the world, it’s a constant battle to keep up with new mutations.
Here’s how they detect new strains in a bid to keep ahead of the virus.
Scientists in South Africa have discovered a small number of cases of a new COVID variant. They’re working to understand its potential implications but told a news conference that it had a ‘very unusual constellation’ of mutations.

They’re concerned that they could help it evade the body’s immune response and make the variant -&lt;b&gt; named B.1.1.529&lt;/b&gt; - more transmissible.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
No variant name is given in that story.
Fortunately, they kept the original date-line; I&#039;ve made screencaps.

The first link in that story goes here, and is the &quot;updated&quot; part, because Reuters never mentions the July finding, nor gives it a name:
https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/south-africa-detects-new-covid-19-variant-small-numbers-2021-11-25/
&lt;blockquote&gt;JOHANNESBURG, Nov 25 (Reuters) - South African scientists have detected a new* COVID-19 variant in small numbers and are working to understand its potential implications, they said on Thursday.

The variant - called B.1.1.529 - has a &quot;very unusual constellation&quot; of mutations, which are concerning because they could help it evade the body&#039;s immune response and make it more transmissible, scientists told reporters at a news conference.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Kind of cute that the last line of the story is this boilerplate link:
&quot;Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.&quot;

*Or maybe Nu?
https://www.nysun.com/editorials/nu/91771/

Here&#039;s an article that didn&#039;t get the naming memo in time, but still dates the variant to November, not July.
https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/health/coronavirus/highly-mutated-nu-covid-strain-found-in-south-africa-heres-what-you-need-to-know-3472311
&lt;blockquote&gt;By Heather Carrick
Friday, 26th November 2021, 8:25 am
Updated Friday, 26th November 2021, 8:26 am
...
The B.1.1.529 variant was first found in the country and, although it has not yet been found in Britain, there are warnings that the new variant may be more transmissible than the Delta strain and current vaccines may be less effective against it.
...
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TJ &gt; &#8220;Second, SA Dr Angelique Coetzee observed a change in her patient’s symptomatic presentation: <b>no loss of taste or smell like with Delta, but bad fatigue</b> and high pulse rates. Otherwise, it’s a milder infection than previously seen. But only quantitative data will soon give these anecdotal accounts scientific respect, and policy weight, we hope.&#8221;</p>
<p>Per his Daily Mail link:</p>
<blockquote><p>
Scientists have said they are concerned about the B.1.1.529 variant, named by the World Health Organisation as Omicron, as it has around 30 different mutations &#8211; double the amount present in the Delta variant. The mutations contain features seen in all of the other variants but also traits that have not been seen before. </p>
<p><b>UK scientists first became aware of the new strain on November 23 </b>after samples were uploaded on to a coronavirus variant tracking website from South Africa, Hong Kong and then Botswana. </p></blockquote>
<p>AesopSpouse and I likely just finished a run of the O-Covid, judging by the symptoms we had, although with no fever &amp; we didn&#8217;t check pulse rates. </p>
<p>But how could that be, since we were exposed here in the US (along with most of our local church members) on <b>November 6?</b></p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s because <b>B.1.1.529 was discovered in July</b>, and the WHO have been dithering around over whether it was Nu (or Xi) or Omicron, and conveniently memory-holing the earlier date while they were at it.</p>
<p>Per Stacy Rudin on Twitter:</p>
<blockquote><p>WHO, November 2021: “The first known confirmed B.1.1.529 infection was from a specimen collected on 9 November 2021.”</p>
<p><b>WEF, July 2021:</b> “Scientists in South Africa have discovered a small number of cases of a new COVID variant…named B.1.1.529.”</p></blockquote>
<p>And her link for that earlier date:<br />
<a href="https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/how-scientists-detect-new-covid-19-variants/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2021/07/how-scientists-detect-new-covid-19-variants/</a></p>
<blockquote><p><b>12 Jul 2021</b><br />
Douglas Broom Senior Writer, Formative Content</p>
<p>This article was last updated on 26 November 2021.</p>
<p>South African scientists have discovered a new COVID-19 variant.<br />
Around the world, it’s a constant battle to keep up with new mutations.<br />
Here’s how they detect new strains in a bid to keep ahead of the virus.<br />
Scientists in South Africa have discovered a small number of cases of a new COVID variant. They’re working to understand its potential implications but told a news conference that it had a ‘very unusual constellation’ of mutations.</p>
<p>They’re concerned that they could help it evade the body’s immune response and make the variant &#8211;<b> named B.1.1.529</b> &#8211; more transmissible.
</p></blockquote>
<p>No variant name is given in that story.<br />
Fortunately, they kept the original date-line; I&#8217;ve made screencaps.</p>
<p>The first link in that story goes here, and is the &#8220;updated&#8221; part, because Reuters never mentions the July finding, nor gives it a name:<br />
<a href="https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/south-africa-detects-new-covid-19-variant-small-numbers-2021-11-25/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/south-africa-detects-new-covid-19-variant-small-numbers-2021-11-25/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>JOHANNESBURG, Nov 25 (Reuters) &#8211; South African scientists have detected a new* COVID-19 variant in small numbers and are working to understand its potential implications, they said on Thursday.</p>
<p>The variant &#8211; called B.1.1.529 &#8211; has a &#8220;very unusual constellation&#8221; of mutations, which are concerning because they could help it evade the body&#8217;s immune response and make it more transmissible, scientists told reporters at a news conference.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Kind of cute that the last line of the story is this boilerplate link:<br />
&#8220;Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.&#8221;</p>
<p>*Or maybe Nu?<br />
<a href="https://www.nysun.com/editorials/nu/91771/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.nysun.com/editorials/nu/91771/</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an article that didn&#8217;t get the naming memo in time, but still dates the variant to November, not July.<br />
<a href="https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/health/coronavirus/highly-mutated-nu-covid-strain-found-in-south-africa-heres-what-you-need-to-know-3472311" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.portsmouth.co.uk/health/coronavirus/highly-mutated-nu-covid-strain-found-in-south-africa-heres-what-you-need-to-know-3472311</a></p>
<blockquote><p>By Heather Carrick<br />
Friday, 26th November 2021, 8:25 am<br />
Updated Friday, 26th November 2021, 8:26 am<br />
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The B.1.1.529 variant was first found in the country and, although it has not yet been found in Britain, there are warnings that the new variant may be more transmissible than the Delta strain and current vaccines may be less effective against it.<br />
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