Comments on: Closing arguments in the Arbery case, and now the jury is deliberating https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/ A blog about political change, among other things Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:52:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=7.0 By: Steve Malynn https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590872 Thu, 25 Nov 2021 12:52:03 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590872 Branca suffers from the carpenter fallacy – not every situation is self defense.

The defendants killed a petty criminal feloniously. Just as much a crime as killing a boy scout.

]]> By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590812 Thu, 25 Nov 2021 02:22:33 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590812 Go to the LI link at the beginning of today’s post of mine on the verdict, and you’ll see a description of Georgia’s laws.

From Branca’s description, the felony murder charge for the 3d defendant sounds particularly absurd.

]]> By: AesopFan https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590770 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 23:43:36 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590770 FWIW, I cited the toenail episode as a hint for investigation, not litigation, and only into Arbery’s defenders’ claims that he was “just a jogger.”

In fact, I agree with The Young Turks on this one: the lawyer’s comment was snide and unnecessary. It did not add to the defense’s case, and may have irritated the jurors. I don’t think it was racism (that’s just knee-jerk calumny these days), but her tone of scorn WAS bigoted in a social class sort of way.

Should have been omitted.
However, I doubt it was the make-or-break moment of the trial verdict.

]]> By: neo https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590762 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 23:00:11 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590762 Art Deco:

Go to the LI link at the beginning of today’s post of mine on the verdict, and you’ll see a description of Georgia’s laws.

]]> By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590753 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:58:27 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590753 I checked the New York Penal Law. In New York, the definition of felony murder does include attempted kidnapping as an underlying crime which can trigger the provision. What they appear to have been attempting (under an uncharitable reading) was something which is called ‘unlawful imprisonment’ in New York law. That does not fall under the definition of felony murder. I’m wondering if Georgia has a fuzzier definition of kidnapping.

]]> By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590751 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 21:50:48 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590751 Instant jury verdict of Guilty.

News reports had it that they deliberated for six hours yesterday and about four hours today.

Since the three defendants were not in the process of an intentional homicide, rape, assault, robbery or burglary, the application of the felony murder rule strikes me as draconian. I suppose you could argue they intended to kidnap him, but that’s debatable.

]]> By: Mike K https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590742 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:54:22 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590742 Instant jury verdict of Guilty. This was to be expected as the shootee was black. Didn’t matter he was a burglar. I wonder if they took enough time to elect a foreman?

]]> By: LeClerc https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590741 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:40:42 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590741 Richard Aubrey – thanks for the unsolicited tutorial on jogging/toenails.

Just wondering: How about these Ethiopian and Kenyan runners who win 95% of the world-class marathons? Are meticulous pedicures the secret of their success?

]]> By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590735 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:09:26 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590735 it would not surprise me if he thought he was about to be lynched.

If he did, he was an idiot.

]]> By: Art Deco https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/23/closing-arguments-in-the-arbery-case-and-now-the-jury-is-deliberating/#comment-2590733 Wed, 24 Nov 2021 20:07:02 +0000 https://www.thenewneo.com/?p=112424#comment-2590733 The other 2 guilty of lesser charges but at least felony murder.

‘Felony murder’ is not a lesser charge in New York. What are the options in Georgia?

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