Comments on: The Rittenhouse jury has gone home for the evening

By: Geoffrey Britain

Geoffrey Britain — Thu, 18 Nov 2021 04:36:13 +0000

A guilty verdict declares that we haven’t a right to life. Tyranny writ large.

What the left is clearly incapable of recognizing is a guilty verdict also removes their right to life. Of course they will deny it but denial changes the new reality they’ve created… not in the least.

If my choice is death by the mob or becoming a “dead man walking” in prison… what do I have to lose by fighting? What do I have to lose in taking as many of them with me as possible?

By: AesopFan

AesopFan — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:32:45 +0000

@ Art Deco > “Donald McClarey posted this morning on this subject.”

Thanks for the link. I read several more posts, and enjoyed his short, pithy commentary – plus the memes and other links from there.

This graphic is especially apropos – from The Perry Mason Show.
https://i1.wp.com/the-american-catholic.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Burgers-favorite-objection.jpg?fit=210%2C240&ssl=1

(There’s also a montage clip of our favorite prosecutor in the same post.)
https://the-american-catholic.com/2021/11/15/objection/

By: Art Deco

Art Deco — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:55:41 +0000

Posobiec has a track record of being a bit of an opportunistic bullshitter and that this should be taken with a grain of salt.

Ya know, Zaphod, we often don’t see ourselves as others do.

By: Art Deco

Art Deco — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:52:23 +0000

Jennifer Van Laar jumped on top of that claim at Red State, based on her career experience. Since we are all opposed to spreading misinformation — which is Twitter’s main product, on all sides — her account should be required reading.

Donald McClarey posted this morning on this subject. He said in his experience of trial practice, courts leak like a sieve, and bailiffs had tipped him off in in past years in re conversations they’d overheard among jurors. Not sure why U.S. Marshall’s would be present in Kenosha, but it would not surprise me if county bailiffs knew things. Now, who the intermediaries between the bailiffs in Kenosha County and JP might be (if there be any) is a mystery.

By: Steve (retired/recovering lawyer)

Steve (retired/recovering lawyer) — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 13:46:18 +0000

While we have no idea as yet whether Posobiec’s tweet is accurate, it is beyond any cavil that at least one juror will have become “sensitized” to the possibility that a not guilty verdict will result in rioting in general and death threats, as well as actual violence against some or all of the jurors. Lack of sequestration throughout the trial, although understandable under “normal” circumstances, would probably have been preferable. The Derek Chauvin jury was at least partially sequestered throughout. Why not this one?

By: Richard Aubrey

Richard Aubrey — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:54:29 +0000

We/ve heard, of late, that punctuality, logic, math, and other items of such obvious value are tools of oppression.

There’s no reason to think an SJW juror wouldn’t think that, of course he’s not guilty in a legal sense but the situation requires he be punished because of who he is and because of who support him. And because of SJW resentment. And “in a legal sense” is not only a tool of oppression but a brutally imposed handicap on marginalized people.

I think I’m exaggerating, but I’m not sure. And it wouldn’t take the giant, economy-size dose of what I suggest to promote a guilty vote.

By: brinster

brinster — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:54:26 +0000

This trial isn’t only about Kyle Rittenhouse. Self-defense is on trial. Say you’re 17 years old and this male human chases you. He says “f*** you and grabs the barrel of your rifle. In the few seconds you have to make the decision to defend yourself or let this human take your gun and use it for less than benign purposes, what do you do? According to the prosecution, you should take a beating and possibly be killed yourself.
The media, as usual, is responsible for this fiasco. As is Brandon with his statement that Kyle is a “white supremacist.”

By: Kate

Kate — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:48:36 +0000

I saw that Posobiec tweet last night, and decided not to post it here for the reasons Van Laar cites at RedState — although she knows a lot more about court procedures than I do. Why would US Marshals know anything about what’s going on in the jury room?

By: Fractal Rabbit

Fractal Rabbit — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 12:26:40 +0000

Posobiec lost a lot of credibility with me last year with many (most) of his claims regarding Sydney Powell and the 2020 election.

Having said that, I don’t think it’s a stretch at all to think that at least two jurors fear for their lives. I’m almost certain that Antifa and BLM and maybe even more official arms of the state have made quiet, threatening contact with them. Too much has been invested- by all powers involved- in this travesty for it to be allowed to end quietly and fairly.

Now, are US Marshals feeding him that info? That I have a hard time believing but stranger things have happened. Not sure about Wisconsin law, but if they were doing that in NYS, they would be leaking info *and* tacitly admitting they’re eavesdropping on juror deliberations and/or privy to communications meant for the judge and clerk alone. Yikes. Big, big, big trouble there.

Anyway, are the US Marshals there as back-up for the Kenosha County deputies? Why are they feeding the info rather than the KC deputies who are most likely handling the jurors? This isn’t Federal court, is it?

As for sequestration, I get why it isn’t used much anymore but if ever there was a case for it, we’re looking at it. But it’s definitely not fun.

By: Zaphod

Zaphod — Wed, 17 Nov 2021 09:35:08 +0000

The Uncouth Gab Commentariat’s take on the Jury Room gossip story is that Posobiec has a track record of being a bit of an opportunistic bullshitter and that this should be taken with a grain of salt.