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		By: ymarsakar		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2021 22:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Stan, Satan&#039;s slaves that dare to resist, will be made an example of. See Zimmer.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stan, Satan&#8217;s slaves that dare to resist, will be made an example of. See Zimmer.</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2021 15:08:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zimmerman&#039;s life is still being made hell.

He got out of his car in his neighborhood and was on the sidewalk.  In his neighborhood! Obviously, anyone who does that deserves to have a career thug with a thirst for violence jump him and try to kill him by smashing his head into the sidewalk. 

The altercation was all Zimmerman&#039;s fault for being on the sidewalk in his neighborhood. No reason to blame Trayvon for trying to kill him. After all, who among us could possibly fail to react with deadly violence after that kind of provocation? 

And then we have to add that Zimmerman&#039;s ethnicity as a hispanic immigrant  with a black grandmother makes him the perfect embodiment of white supremacy in America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zimmerman&#8217;s life is still being made hell.</p>
<p>He got out of his car in his neighborhood and was on the sidewalk.  In his neighborhood! Obviously, anyone who does that deserves to have a career thug with a thirst for violence jump him and try to kill him by smashing his head into the sidewalk. </p>
<p>The altercation was all Zimmerman&#8217;s fault for being on the sidewalk in his neighborhood. No reason to blame Trayvon for trying to kill him. After all, who among us could possibly fail to react with deadly violence after that kind of provocation? </p>
<p>And then we have to add that Zimmerman&#8217;s ethnicity as a hispanic immigrant  with a black grandmother makes him the perfect embodiment of white supremacy in America.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2021 12:49:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You never see it mentioned in the news that Riittenhouse had a medical kit with him or that Kenosha is a very short distance from his hometown. I believe he even worked there. T&lt;/i&gt;

Kenosha and adjacent tracts make a discrete community of about 100,000.  The Census Bureau places it within the Chicago commuter belt, while Racine is placed just  outside.  If I&#039;m not mistaken, Kyle&#039;s father lives in Kenosha.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You never see it mentioned in the news that Riittenhouse had a medical kit with him or that Kenosha is a very short distance from his hometown. I believe he even worked there. T</i></p>
<p>Kenosha and adjacent tracts make a discrete community of about 100,000.  The Census Bureau places it within the Chicago commuter belt, while Racine is placed just  outside.  If I&#8217;m not mistaken, Kyle&#8217;s father lives in Kenosha.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 04:00:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

Well-said and important. 

My graphics work has been with stills and even there I know today&#039;s digital cameras are doing a boatload of work to make the subject and the photographer look good.

The notion that a camera passively records visual truth is entirely naive.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>Well-said and important. </p>
<p>My graphics work has been with stills and even there I know today&#8217;s digital cameras are doing a boatload of work to make the subject and the photographer look good.</p>
<p>The notion that a camera passively records visual truth is entirely naive.</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Expat: &lt;i&gt;&quot; . . . Kenosha is a very short distance from his hometown.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

That short distance is about 20 miles (I did a google maps view); which, in my opinion is a very short distance for most Americas who get around by car.

You&#039;re right in that they don&#039;t mention that much; nor do they mention that his grandmother, father, aunt, uncle, and a cousin all live in Kenosha.  Nor do they mention much that Kenosha is where he was a lifeguard.  Grayslake is the other town a short distance away (google maps about 10 miles in another direction) where he was a police explorer.

20 miles in one direction, ten miles in another direction really isn&#039;t that far in a suburban area.

And, by omitting all of this the MSM and others are trying to portray him as an &quot;outsider&quot; coming in to &quot;stir up trouble.&quot;

Well, in addition to all of that above, if he were trying to stir up trouble why did he give his (Grayslake police issued bullet-proof vest) to another guy that night?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expat: <i>&#8221; . . . Kenosha is a very short distance from his hometown.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>That short distance is about 20 miles (I did a google maps view); which, in my opinion is a very short distance for most Americas who get around by car.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right in that they don&#8217;t mention that much; nor do they mention that his grandmother, father, aunt, uncle, and a cousin all live in Kenosha.  Nor do they mention much that Kenosha is where he was a lifeguard.  Grayslake is the other town a short distance away (google maps about 10 miles in another direction) where he was a police explorer.</p>
<p>20 miles in one direction, ten miles in another direction really isn&#8217;t that far in a suburban area.</p>
<p>And, by omitting all of this the MSM and others are trying to portray him as an &#8220;outsider&#8221; coming in to &#8220;stir up trouble.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, in addition to all of that above, if he were trying to stir up trouble why did he give his (Grayslake police issued bullet-proof vest) to another guy that night?</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

And artifact issue compounds when you’re dealing with compression across video frames with subject motion added to the mix.

(More for laypersons)
All video out of commercial CCTV has undergone compression before it leaves the camera. This compression is not lossless. So information has been lost. To then go selecting a random frame from a video feed where all kinds of weirdness is happening in the compression and presenting it as evidence is Not Good.

Understand that you can compress a video feed, reduce its information theoretical content, and have it look perfectly normal and OK to you the viewer because a lot of psycho-visual research has gone into making stuff look right to the viewer at 30 frames per second. That makes no guarantees as to the veracity of every given bunch of pixels in part of a single freeze frame.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>And artifact issue compounds when you’re dealing with compression across video frames with subject motion added to the mix.</p>
<p>(More for laypersons)<br />
All video out of commercial CCTV has undergone compression before it leaves the camera. This compression is not lossless. So information has been lost. To then go selecting a random frame from a video feed where all kinds of weirdness is happening in the compression and presenting it as evidence is Not Good.</p>
<p>Understand that you can compress a video feed, reduce its information theoretical content, and have it look perfectly normal and OK to you the viewer because a lot of psycho-visual research has gone into making stuff look right to the viewer at 30 frames per second. That makes no guarantees as to the veracity of every given bunch of pixels in part of a single freeze frame.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;... artifacts shopping.&lt;/i&gt;

Zaphod:

Indeed. If one plays around much with Photoshop, these problems become obvious. 

According to Legal Insurrection:
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&lt;i&gt;The defense argued sensibly that the evidence in support of the State’s narrative of provocation—the “unicorn” drone video left by the evidence fairy on the State’s doorstep last Friday, and the “enhanced” photos produced for the first time yesterday—were too flimsy a basis to support an argument of provocation.  &lt;b&gt;[The defense] pointed out the poor quality of the video and images and noted that for Kyle to be raising his rifle as the State claimed he would have had to suddenly decide, for the first time that night, to handle the rifle as if he were left-handed.&lt;/b&gt;

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-9-prosecutions-big-win-on-provocation-saves-a-chance-at-conviction/&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8230; artifacts shopping.</i></p>
<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>Indeed. If one plays around much with Photoshop, these problems become obvious. </p>
<p>According to Legal Insurrection:<br />
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<p><i>The defense argued sensibly that the evidence in support of the State’s narrative of provocation—the “unicorn” drone video left by the evidence fairy on the State’s doorstep last Friday, and the “enhanced” photos produced for the first time yesterday—were too flimsy a basis to support an argument of provocation.  <b>[The defense] pointed out the poor quality of the video and images and noted that for Kyle to be raising his rifle as the State claimed he would have had to suddenly decide, for the first time that night, to handle the rifle as if he were left-handed.</b></p>
<p><a href="https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-9-prosecutions-big-win-on-provocation-saves-a-chance-at-conviction/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/11/rittenhouse-trial-day-9-prosecutions-big-win-on-provocation-saves-a-chance-at-conviction/</a></i></p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[In a sane world there ought to be a law that OOC (Out of Camera) imagery is admissible but not any extra processing beyond exposure adjustments. Things are already complicated enough because the camera firmware has already done a lot of processing beyond scope of present discussion. Makes sense to draw the line at reasonable default camera settings and let the chips fall where they may.

Certainly no upscaling given unscrupulous prosecutors or lawyers can then go artifacts shopping.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a sane world there ought to be a law that OOC (Out of Camera) imagery is admissible but not any extra processing beyond exposure adjustments. Things are already complicated enough because the camera firmware has already done a lot of processing beyond scope of present discussion. Makes sense to draw the line at reasonable default camera settings and let the chips fall where they may.</p>
<p>Certainly no upscaling given unscrupulous prosecutors or lawyers can then go artifacts shopping.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;“Sharpening” – which I believe is one of the algorithms at issue here, beyond mere zooming – does result in an alteration of the image from what the original recorded. &lt;/i&gt;

bobby b:

Sharpening is exactly the sort of manipulation that could come under the heading of &quot;image enhancement&quot; which concerns me.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>“Sharpening” – which I believe is one of the algorithms at issue here, beyond mere zooming – does result in an alteration of the image from what the original recorded. </i></p>
<p>bobby b:</p>
<p>Sharpening is exactly the sort of manipulation that could come under the heading of &#8220;image enhancement&#8221; which concerns me.</p>
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		By: BigD		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 00:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ben and Jerry have weighed in against Rittenhouse.

There is pond scum.

There is whale feces.

But at the very bottom are Ben and Jerry.
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And they repeat the lie about Rittenhouse carrying his rifle across state lines which isn&#039;t true but tells me they know nothing of the facts of the case beyond the first day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben and Jerry have weighed in against Rittenhouse.</p>
<p>There is pond scum.</p>
<p>There is whale feces.</p>
<p>But at the very bottom are Ben and Jerry.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>And they repeat the lie about Rittenhouse carrying his rifle across state lines which isn&#8217;t true but tells me they know nothing of the facts of the case beyond the first day.</p>
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