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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/11/veterans-day-armistice-day-7/#comment-2588787</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Huxley

It&#039;s been said, &quot;one French platoon&quot;.  That&#039;s probably an exaggeration, but a battalion....  Point is, if even one platoon had resisted, it could be presumed they had backup coming and it would be in battalion(s) strength, then army.
That it didn&#039;t happen meant the generals were convinced to believe Hitler&#039;s judgment on other items--not necessarily the rivets and bolts of the next tank design--but his judgment of, say, Stalin&#039;s purge.  (Faked up by Gehlen for the notably paranoid Stalin?  Heard that.)

Zaphod.  Nobody likes Cossacks.  I&#039;ll be seeing &quot;Fiddler on The Roof&quot; shortly and imagine a reference therein.   But...King Phillip&#039;s War killed ten percent of the men of military age of the Massachusetts colony.  Which means at least the same number were wounded and survived.  Which means at least half were shot at.
No help from Mother England.  But victorious.  Could make the case that it militarized US society for centuries. See &quot;Conquered Into Liberty&quot; for, among other things, that subject.
My father&#039;s division commander, Terry Allen, was a lifer&#039;s kid and, as was said, grew up playing with the children of the hard old Indian fighting army.  Connecting back maybe 275 years to King Phillip.  His son was killed in Viet Nam.
That said, the US and Prussia have taken different paths, for nations annealed by foreign threats.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Huxley</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been said, &#8220;one French platoon&#8221;.  That&#8217;s probably an exaggeration, but a battalion&#8230;.  Point is, if even one platoon had resisted, it could be presumed they had backup coming and it would be in battalion(s) strength, then army.<br />
That it didn&#8217;t happen meant the generals were convinced to believe Hitler&#8217;s judgment on other items&#8211;not necessarily the rivets and bolts of the next tank design&#8211;but his judgment of, say, Stalin&#8217;s purge.  (Faked up by Gehlen for the notably paranoid Stalin?  Heard that.)</p>
<p>Zaphod.  Nobody likes Cossacks.  I&#8217;ll be seeing &#8220;Fiddler on The Roof&#8221; shortly and imagine a reference therein.   But&#8230;King Phillip&#8217;s War killed ten percent of the men of military age of the Massachusetts colony.  Which means at least the same number were wounded and survived.  Which means at least half were shot at.<br />
No help from Mother England.  But victorious.  Could make the case that it militarized US society for centuries. See &#8220;Conquered Into Liberty&#8221; for, among other things, that subject.<br />
My father&#8217;s division commander, Terry Allen, was a lifer&#8217;s kid and, as was said, grew up playing with the children of the hard old Indian fighting army.  Connecting back maybe 275 years to King Phillip.  His son was killed in Viet Nam.<br />
That said, the US and Prussia have taken different paths, for nations annealed by foreign threats.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:46:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

&lt;i&gt;Now, gods, stand up for bastards!

--Shakespeare, &quot;King Lear&quot;&lt;/i&gt;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p><i>Now, gods, stand up for bastards!</p>
<p>&#8211;Shakespeare, &#8220;King Lear&#8221;</i></p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Hitler said the worst 48 hours of WW II was waiting to see if the French would resist the militarization of the Rhineland. His generals, looking at relative combat power, figured they’d lose. Hitler, reading the French, figured they’d cave, and they did. Had they resisted, that would have been the end of the Nazis and Hitler. 

--Richard Aubrey&lt;/i&gt;

Art Deco&#039;s usual pedantics aside, I&#039;ve read other accounts in which this was a key event leading to WW II and it wouldn&#039;t have taken much Allied resistance to have stopped Hitler cold.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hitler said the worst 48 hours of WW II was waiting to see if the French would resist the militarization of the Rhineland. His generals, looking at relative combat power, figured they’d lose. Hitler, reading the French, figured they’d cave, and they did. Had they resisted, that would have been the end of the Nazis and Hitler. </p>
<p>&#8211;Richard Aubrey</i></p>
<p>Art Deco&#8217;s usual pedantics aside, I&#8217;ve read other accounts in which this was a key event leading to WW II and it wouldn&#8217;t have taken much Allied resistance to have stopped Hitler cold.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 03:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Perversely a large part of what stopped the Heer Officers from moving against Hitler during some of the more hair raising moments (e.g. Rhineland) was their personal loyalty oaths to him. The old officer class took oaths and personal honor very, very seriously.

And that, Dear Friends is a very hackable state of affairs. All you need is one dishonorable demagogue such as a Hitler or a Roosevelt and we’re off to the races.

Something for all the CivNat ‘Honorable’ and ‘That’s not Who We Are’ Folks to consider. 

Bastardry has its place. Always and everywhere.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perversely a large part of what stopped the Heer Officers from moving against Hitler during some of the more hair raising moments (e.g. Rhineland) was their personal loyalty oaths to him. The old officer class took oaths and personal honor very, very seriously.</p>
<p>And that, Dear Friends is a very hackable state of affairs. All you need is one dishonorable demagogue such as a Hitler or a Roosevelt and we’re off to the races.</p>
<p>Something for all the CivNat ‘Honorable’ and ‘That’s not Who We Are’ Folks to consider. </p>
<p>Bastardry has its place. Always and everywhere.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@RA:

To understand the Germans up until the point they were emasculated post 45, you have to get your head into the Napoleonic Space and *those* Freikorps. That changed everything. I’d argue far more than the Thirty Years War and Westphalia. Sprinkle a bit of 1848 seasoning and Bob’s yer Uncle. Wasn’t all Romberg’s Student Prince.

To grok Prussians, you have to know what it was like to have the Cossacks descend on you during the early part of Frederick the Great’s reign. That does things to one’s outlook on life. Ask Max Boot :P

Anyway… now they’re gone. They don’t breed. And nor do the French. Or anyone else like us.

@Hubert: Indeed.. What American Empire? Show me the big American Empire Sign! :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RA:</p>
<p>To understand the Germans up until the point they were emasculated post 45, you have to get your head into the Napoleonic Space and *those* Freikorps. That changed everything. I’d argue far more than the Thirty Years War and Westphalia. Sprinkle a bit of 1848 seasoning and Bob’s yer Uncle. Wasn’t all Romberg’s Student Prince.</p>
<p>To grok Prussians, you have to know what it was like to have the Cossacks descend on you during the early part of Frederick the Great’s reign. That does things to one’s outlook on life. Ask Max Boot 😛</p>
<p>Anyway… now they’re gone. They don’t breed. And nor do the French. Or anyone else like us.</p>
<p>@Hubert: Indeed.. What American Empire? Show me the big American Empire Sign! 🙂</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Nov 2021 02:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[True.  But Hitler had his ideas and....that was one.  Although, perhaps the Anschluss could be called the start.,   Or it could be said that Hitler was more worried three years before the war than any time up to the siege of Berlin.  But see Sowell, Intellectuals and War for the whole thing.

As to the officers in 36, easy enough to find out for the layman, such as me.

Whose fault was Versailles, that flawed treaty which humiliated the Germans and practically forced them to start another war?  The Pope&#039;s?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>True.  But Hitler had his ideas and&#8230;.that was one.  Although, perhaps the Anschluss could be called the start.,   Or it could be said that Hitler was more worried three years before the war than any time up to the siege of Berlin.  But see Sowell, Intellectuals and War for the whole thing.</p>
<p>As to the officers in 36, easy enough to find out for the layman, such as me.</p>
<p>Whose fault was Versailles, that flawed treaty which humiliated the Germans and practically forced them to start another war?  The Pope&#8217;s?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 22:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; Had they resisted, that would have been the end of the Nazis and Hitler. &lt;/i&gt;

Show your work.


&lt;i&gt;But blaming the hideously wounded barely victorious Allies for being annoyed with the Germans doesn’t make much sense.&lt;/i&gt;

Why not try responding to things I actually said and not the voices in your head?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> Had they resisted, that would have been the end of the Nazis and Hitler. </i></p>
<p>Show your work.</p>
<p><i>But blaming the hideously wounded barely victorious Allies for being annoyed with the Germans doesn’t make much sense.</i></p>
<p>Why not try responding to things I actually said and not the voices in your head?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 22:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Hitler said the worst 48 hours of WW II was waiting to see if the French would resist the militarization of the Rhineland.&lt;/i&gt;

The event in question occurred in 1936, three years before the war.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hitler said the worst 48 hours of WW II was waiting to see if the French would resist the militarization of the Rhineland.</i></p>
<p>The event in question occurred in 1936, three years before the war.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 22:31:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;You can look up “friekorps” which will lead to all kinds of fighting along the Baltic and into Russia. Hardly a stop to change socks for a lot of the German troops.&lt;/i&gt;

So what?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You can look up “friekorps” which will lead to all kinds of fighting along the Baltic and into Russia. Hardly a stop to change socks for a lot of the German troops.</i></p>
<p>So what?</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 22:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;And the other issues: better electoral system…? Who is supposed to impose that and why wouldn’t that be a further humiliation?&lt;/i&gt;

The constituent assembly at Weimar might have made a better choice than national-list PR, a fairly unusual system and one not in use in Wilhelmine Germany.  No clue why that&#039;s a mystery to you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>And the other issues: better electoral system…? Who is supposed to impose that and why wouldn’t that be a further humiliation?</i></p>
<p>The constituent assembly at Weimar might have made a better choice than national-list PR, a fairly unusual system and one not in use in Wilhelmine Germany.  No clue why that&#8217;s a mystery to you.</p>
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