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		By: Jeanne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 22:14:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ugh . . . George Will 

Used to follow him avidly though.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ugh . . . George Will </p>
<p>Used to follow him avidly though.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m pretty sure according to George Will the ceremony of innocence is baseball.

When Yeats was on, he was on.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m pretty sure according to George Will the ceremony of innocence is baseball.</p>
<p>When Yeats was on, he was on.</p>
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		By: betty newburgh		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[betty newburgh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 18:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[i too have pondered &quot;The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere   
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;

I think it means everyone/everything is tainted by this anarchy.   The imagery of this tide overcoming all, corrupting everything is its wake is what these lines  mean to me.

I love your site.   thank you.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i too have pondered &#8220;The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere<br />
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;</p>
<p>I think it means everyone/everything is tainted by this anarchy.   The imagery of this tide overcoming all, corrupting everything is its wake is what these lines  mean to me.</p>
<p>I love your site.   thank you.</p>
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		By: charles		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[charles]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 16:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[EricGuys: &lt;i&gt;I can’t ever remember detesting an attorney to such a degree before, but there it is. - &lt;b&gt;You came of age after the Era of Nifong?&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;

Neo: &lt;i&gt;I only &lt;b&gt;read&lt;/b&gt; about Nifong and never &lt;b&gt;saw&lt;/b&gt; or &lt;b&gt;heard&lt;/b&gt; him. It takes hearing and seeing, ordinarily, to reach that type of revulsion for a person.&lt;/i&gt;

I will say the same.  What Nifong and others like him did was most likely about the same level of disgust that Binger is doing.  But, I didn&#039;t get consumed by those cases because I didn&#039;t watch any of the videos.

But, the Rittenhouse case I did see videos of at least one of the shootings before the trial began.  That got me to invest more of my time into watching the trial.  Being off from work yesterday I ended spending the better part of my afternoon watching the case on Court TV.  Yuck!  Did Binger disgust me even more!

And, yea, maybe those other prosecutors behaved just as badly; but, I didn&#039;t watch them.  And there was a certain revulsion at watching Binger&#039;s bad behavior.  He just made my blood boil!

I remember him trying to put words into Rittenhouse&#039;s mouth when he tried, not once, not twice, but three times to get Kyle to say that he &lt;i&gt;intended&lt;/i&gt; to use deadly force.  Kyle kept saying no, he didn&#039;t intend to kill anyone, his intent was to stop the attack.  It was just real sleazy behavior on Binger&#039;s part.  I couldn&#039;t understand why the judge didn&#039;t stop him (I think the defense didn&#039;t object because he knew this bad behavior might work in their favor by showing how sleazy the prosecutor was).  It was quite revolting to watch!

And then there was also Binger&#039;s body language when the judge was reprimanding him for trying to twist Rittenhouse&#039;s &quot;silence&quot; before the trial into a sign that Rittenhouse was guilty.  Binger looked like he was thinking of an excuse to &quot;get back at the judge&quot; as if to say I am smarter than you - how dare you stop me!  The arrogance displayed was revolting.

There are several other examples as well - but, I assume most here have watched part of the trial.

While what Nifong and others like him did was revolting, watching Binger conduct himself during the trial adds to the disgust.

Lastly, and this is totally irrational on my part, Binger reminds me of the character &quot;Stuart&quot; on the TV show &quot;Spin City&quot; played by Alan Ruck.  The Character of Stuart was a total narcissist and a sleazy person.  It isn&#039;t just Binger&#039;s looks that he reminds me of Stuart - he comes across as a real-life sleazy narcissist like Stuart.  Except the character of Stuart was intended to be funny - Binger isn&#039;t at all funny.

And EricGuy, I&#039;ll bet you&#039;re right in that Nifong and others like him might be just as disgusting.  But, fortunately for my sanity I didn&#039;t see any of them; I just read about them. It was good news to hear that Nifong was disbarred.  Can we hope for something similar with Binger?  So far he doesn&#039;t seemed to have broken any laws; but, time will tell.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EricGuys: <i>I can’t ever remember detesting an attorney to such a degree before, but there it is. &#8211; <b>You came of age after the Era of Nifong?</b></i></p>
<p>Neo: <i>I only <b>read</b> about Nifong and never <b>saw</b> or <b>heard</b> him. It takes hearing and seeing, ordinarily, to reach that type of revulsion for a person.</i></p>
<p>I will say the same.  What Nifong and others like him did was most likely about the same level of disgust that Binger is doing.  But, I didn&#8217;t get consumed by those cases because I didn&#8217;t watch any of the videos.</p>
<p>But, the Rittenhouse case I did see videos of at least one of the shootings before the trial began.  That got me to invest more of my time into watching the trial.  Being off from work yesterday I ended spending the better part of my afternoon watching the case on Court TV.  Yuck!  Did Binger disgust me even more!</p>
<p>And, yea, maybe those other prosecutors behaved just as badly; but, I didn&#8217;t watch them.  And there was a certain revulsion at watching Binger&#8217;s bad behavior.  He just made my blood boil!</p>
<p>I remember him trying to put words into Rittenhouse&#8217;s mouth when he tried, not once, not twice, but three times to get Kyle to say that he <i>intended</i> to use deadly force.  Kyle kept saying no, he didn&#8217;t intend to kill anyone, his intent was to stop the attack.  It was just real sleazy behavior on Binger&#8217;s part.  I couldn&#8217;t understand why the judge didn&#8217;t stop him (I think the defense didn&#8217;t object because he knew this bad behavior might work in their favor by showing how sleazy the prosecutor was).  It was quite revolting to watch!</p>
<p>And then there was also Binger&#8217;s body language when the judge was reprimanding him for trying to twist Rittenhouse&#8217;s &#8220;silence&#8221; before the trial into a sign that Rittenhouse was guilty.  Binger looked like he was thinking of an excuse to &#8220;get back at the judge&#8221; as if to say I am smarter than you &#8211; how dare you stop me!  The arrogance displayed was revolting.</p>
<p>There are several other examples as well &#8211; but, I assume most here have watched part of the trial.</p>
<p>While what Nifong and others like him did was revolting, watching Binger conduct himself during the trial adds to the disgust.</p>
<p>Lastly, and this is totally irrational on my part, Binger reminds me of the character &#8220;Stuart&#8221; on the TV show &#8220;Spin City&#8221; played by Alan Ruck.  The Character of Stuart was a total narcissist and a sleazy person.  It isn&#8217;t just Binger&#8217;s looks that he reminds me of Stuart &#8211; he comes across as a real-life sleazy narcissist like Stuart.  Except the character of Stuart was intended to be funny &#8211; Binger isn&#8217;t at all funny.</p>
<p>And EricGuy, I&#8217;ll bet you&#8217;re right in that Nifong and others like him might be just as disgusting.  But, fortunately for my sanity I didn&#8217;t see any of them; I just read about them. It was good news to hear that Nifong was disbarred.  Can we hope for something similar with Binger?  So far he doesn&#8217;t seemed to have broken any laws; but, time will tell.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 16:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[charles,
As I said, Dershowitz&#039;s point is way outside my knowledge, but you ask a couple interesting questions.  One possible reason for angling for a mistrial might be to take a mulligan.  That is, a do over.

It must be true that the prosecutor believes that the politically advantageous thing for him to do is to act tough on Rittenhouse.  If he asks for a dismissal it damages him politically.  If the judge declares a mistrial then the onus and blow-back is on the judge, and the prosecutor&#039;s hands are clean.

If the prosecutor is really a jerk, he might envision prosecuting Rittenhouse over and over as a form of punishment.

Should this reflect badly on the prosecutor?  Of course, but you can&#039;t prove it and beyond that it I wouldn&#039;t know.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>charles,<br />
As I said, Dershowitz&#8217;s point is way outside my knowledge, but you ask a couple interesting questions.  One possible reason for angling for a mistrial might be to take a mulligan.  That is, a do over.</p>
<p>It must be true that the prosecutor believes that the politically advantageous thing for him to do is to act tough on Rittenhouse.  If he asks for a dismissal it damages him politically.  If the judge declares a mistrial then the onus and blow-back is on the judge, and the prosecutor&#8217;s hands are clean.</p>
<p>If the prosecutor is really a jerk, he might envision prosecuting Rittenhouse over and over as a form of punishment.</p>
<p>Should this reflect badly on the prosecutor?  Of course, but you can&#8217;t prove it and beyond that it I wouldn&#8217;t know.</p>
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		By: Jeanne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:44:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mary Catelli - Thank you for “A Prayer for my Daughter.” I’d never read it before.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mary Catelli &#8211; Thank you for “A Prayer for my Daughter.” I’d never read it before.</p>
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		By: Jeanne		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeanne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 15:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[So long since I read Yeats or poetry in general. Thank you, Neo. The Second Coming conjures our current moment perfectly and painfully.  So much more terrifying now than when I read it in college.

For me, the phrase “Ceremony of Innocence” probably does reference religion but feels more primitive than that. I think Yeats is simply telling us our norms and laws and civilization are all fragile - a ceremony of innocence - that collapses 
when “Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.”  The adjective “mere” is jarring. Anarchy is easy if the ceremony of innocence is abandoned as we are allowing to happen now.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So long since I read Yeats or poetry in general. Thank you, Neo. The Second Coming conjures our current moment perfectly and painfully.  So much more terrifying now than when I read it in college.</p>
<p>For me, the phrase “Ceremony of Innocence” probably does reference religion but feels more primitive than that. I think Yeats is simply telling us our norms and laws and civilization are all fragile &#8211; a ceremony of innocence &#8211; that collapses<br />
when “Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world.”  The adjective “mere” is jarring. Anarchy is easy if the ceremony of innocence is abandoned as we are allowing to happen now.</p>
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		By: LeClerc		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeClerc]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Put Hakeem Jeffries in jail and throw away the key.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Put Hakeem Jeffries in jail and throw away the key.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;The ceremony of &#039;innocence&#039;...&quot;
Gage Grosskreutz---professional &quot;victim&quot; and one of the &quot;heroes&quot; of the Prosecution---interviewed on ABC&#039;s &quot;Good Morning America&quot;...

Viewer warning: Have airplane motion sickness bag ready and open....
https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1458781171282845698
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Dershowitz with a timely reminder:
https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dershowitz-rittenhouse/2021/11/11/id/1044345/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The ceremony of &#8216;innocence&#8217;&#8230;&#8221;<br />
Gage Grosskreutz&#8212;professional &#8220;victim&#8221; and one of the &#8220;heroes&#8221; of the Prosecution&#8212;interviewed on ABC&#8217;s &#8220;Good Morning America&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Viewer warning: Have airplane motion sickness bag ready and open&#8230;.<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1458781171282845698" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/GMA/status/1458781171282845698</a><br />
&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;<br />
Dershowitz with a timely reminder:<br />
<a href="https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dershowitz-rittenhouse/2021/11/11/id/1044345/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.newsmax.com/newsmax-tv/dershowitz-rittenhouse/2021/11/11/id/1044345/</a></p>
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		By: Cappy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2021 13:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have a jury summons for the end of January.

I suppose I can take the oath, playing the odds that I won&#039;t get on jury, and that if I did it would probably not be an earth-shattering case.

But I have a much lower regard for the FBI and, in liberal Cleveland the legal system as a hole.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a jury summons for the end of January.</p>
<p>I suppose I can take the oath, playing the odds that I won&#8217;t get on jury, and that if I did it would probably not be an earth-shattering case.</p>
<p>But I have a much lower regard for the FBI and, in liberal Cleveland the legal system as a hole.</p>
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