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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/04/just-a-reminder-about-the-rittenhouse-trial/#comment-2587757</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Nov 2021 02:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Bryan &#062; listened to this one and enjoyed it very much, although I had to fight the urge to break into Tevye&#039;s big number. 

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/future-of-the-west-should-traditionalists-try-to/id1454511530?i=1000539777548

&quot;A lot of those old things are contemporary innovations&quot; - in re the British monarchy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bryan &gt; listened to this one and enjoyed it very much, although I had to fight the urge to break into Tevye&#8217;s big number. </p>
<p><a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/future-of-the-west-should-traditionalists-try-to/id1454511530?i=1000539777548" rel="nofollow ugc">https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/future-of-the-west-should-traditionalists-try-to/id1454511530?i=1000539777548</a></p>
<p>&#8220;A lot of those old things are contemporary innovations&#8221; &#8211; in re the British monarchy.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/04/just-a-reminder-about-the-rittenhouse-trial/#comment-2587420</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2021 15:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Bryan - you just moved my internet time from 8 hours a day to nine!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Bryan &#8211; you just moved my internet time from 8 hours a day to nine!</p>
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		By: Bryan Lovely		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/04/just-a-reminder-about-the-rittenhouse-trial/#comment-2587386</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bryan Lovely]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2021 07:47:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[AesopFan --

And then in the wake of the Peterson/Newman interview came the podcast &quot;So What You&#039;re Saying Is&quot;, which is worth it just for Peter Whittle&#039;s &lt;i&gt;extremely plummy&lt;/i&gt; accent, much less the UK conservative culture-war content.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AesopFan &#8212;</p>
<p>And then in the wake of the Peterson/Newman interview came the podcast &#8220;So What You&#8217;re Saying Is&#8221;, which is worth it just for Peter Whittle&#8217;s <i>extremely plummy</i> accent, much less the UK conservative culture-war content.</p>
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		By: Mike K		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/04/just-a-reminder-about-the-rittenhouse-trial/#comment-2587238</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2021 15:24:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The trial should have been held out of Kenosha because of local bias.  He will be very lucky to get a fair verdict.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The trial should have been held out of Kenosha because of local bias.  He will be very lucky to get a fair verdict.</p>
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		By: Yawrate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/04/just-a-reminder-about-the-rittenhouse-trial/#comment-2587230</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yawrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2021 13:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The case, so far, makes me think that the DA really doesn&#039;t like ADA Binger.

Alternatively, maybe Binger is taking one for the team because you&#039;re never asked to take one for the team if they don&#039;t like you!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The case, so far, makes me think that the DA really doesn&#8217;t like ADA Binger.</p>
<p>Alternatively, maybe Binger is taking one for the team because you&#8217;re never asked to take one for the team if they don&#8217;t like you!</p>
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		By: Yawrate		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/04/just-a-reminder-about-the-rittenhouse-trial/#comment-2587227</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yawrate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2021 13:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Is it rule #1 or rule #2 of questioning a witness on the stand?

Never ask a question you don&#039;t already know the answer to.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it rule #1 or rule #2 of questioning a witness on the stand?</p>
<p>Never ask a question you don&#8217;t already know the answer to.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/04/just-a-reminder-about-the-rittenhouse-trial/#comment-2587215</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2021 12:43:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here&#039;s a thought:
The prosecution knows that he&#039;s innocent of the charges and are trying to thread the needle here between on the one hand the grotesque expectations of the rabid mob and its (i.e., the prosecution&#039;s) professional obligations and on the other the inexorable demands of decency and justice.

(Or is that a movie I dreamt of that somehow got stuck in my head?...)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s a thought:<br />
The prosecution knows that he&#8217;s innocent of the charges and are trying to thread the needle here between on the one hand the grotesque expectations of the rabid mob and its (i.e., the prosecution&#8217;s) professional obligations and on the other the inexorable demands of decency and justice.</p>
<p>(Or is that a movie I dreamt of that somehow got stuck in my head?&#8230;)</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/04/just-a-reminder-about-the-rittenhouse-trial/#comment-2587211</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2021 09:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ huxley - the prosecutor would feel right at home in that other case we&#039;ve been discussing. 
As you so poignantly observed,
&quot;Her court testimony in the show trial is heartbreakingly beautiful. A 19 year-old girl, alone and imprisoned, stands up against the best minds the Catholic Church and England can supply and she humiliated them with her grace to the point that they made the proceedings private.
Then they burned her at the stake.&quot;

It really didn&#039;t matter to them what the evidence showed, or what her justifications were.
They already knew what verdict they wanted.
And, in the context, knew that there would be problems for them if Joan were acquitted.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ huxley &#8211; the prosecutor would feel right at home in that other case we&#8217;ve been discussing.<br />
As you so poignantly observed,<br />
&#8220;Her court testimony in the show trial is heartbreakingly beautiful. A 19 year-old girl, alone and imprisoned, stands up against the best minds the Catholic Church and England can supply and she humiliated them with her grace to the point that they made the proceedings private.<br />
Then they burned her at the stake.&#8221;</p>
<p>It really didn&#8217;t matter to them what the evidence showed, or what her justifications were.<br />
They already knew what verdict they wanted.<br />
And, in the context, knew that there would be problems for them if Joan were acquitted.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/04/just-a-reminder-about-the-rittenhouse-trial/#comment-2587209</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2021 09:00:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[That exchange reminded me of the Jordan Peterson vs Cathy Newhouse cage match.

You can find lots of posts on YouTube, but here&#039;s one.
That was back when Friedersdorf was still sane, and he quotes lots of examples from the interview, very disapprovingly because of her highly partisan procedure:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/
Why Can&#039;t People Hear What Jordan Peterson Is Saying?
A British broadcaster doggedly tried to put words into the academic’s mouth.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Peterson makes a statement. And then the interviewer interjects, &lt;b&gt;“So you’re saying …” &lt;/b&gt;and fills in the rest with something that is less defensible, or less carefully qualified, or more extreme, or just totally unrelated to his point. I think my favorite example comes when they begin to talk about lobsters.
...
There are moments when Newman seems earnestly confused, and perhaps is. And yet, if it were merely confusion, would she consistently misinterpret him in the more scandalous, less politically correct, more umbrage-stoking direction?

To conclude, this is neither an endorsement nor a condemnation of Peterson’s views.&lt;b&gt; It is an argument that the effects of the approach used in this interview are pernicious.&lt;/b&gt;
...
Lots of culture-war fights are unavoidable––that is, they are rooted in earnest, strongly felt disagreements over the best values or way forward or method of prioritizing goods. The best we can do is have those fights, with rules against eye-gouging.

But there is a way to reduce needless division over the countless disagreements that are inevitable in a pluralistic democracy: get better at accurately characterizing the views of folks with differing opinions, rather than egging them on to offer more extreme statements in interviews; &lt;b&gt;or even worse, distorting their words so that existing divisions seem more intractable or impossible to tolerate than they are.&lt;/b&gt; That sort of exaggeration or hyperbolic misrepresentation is epidemic—and addressing it for everyone’s sake is long overdue.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nobody listened to him, judging by the exponential increase in hyperbolic hysteria over the intervening years.

This was new to me, short but powerful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxP_UDH9jts
Tucker Carlson and Jordan Peterson Discuss the Cathy Newman Fallout]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That exchange reminded me of the Jordan Peterson vs Cathy Newhouse cage match.</p>
<p>You can find lots of posts on YouTube, but here&#8217;s one.<br />
That was back when Friedersdorf was still sane, and he quotes lots of examples from the interview, very disapprovingly because of her highly partisan procedure:<br />
<a href="https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/01/putting-monsterpaint-onjordan-peterson/550859/</a><br />
Why Can&#8217;t People Hear What Jordan Peterson Is Saying?<br />
A British broadcaster doggedly tried to put words into the academic’s mouth.</p>
<blockquote><p>Peterson makes a statement. And then the interviewer interjects, <b>“So you’re saying …” </b>and fills in the rest with something that is less defensible, or less carefully qualified, or more extreme, or just totally unrelated to his point. I think my favorite example comes when they begin to talk about lobsters.<br />
&#8230;<br />
There are moments when Newman seems earnestly confused, and perhaps is. And yet, if it were merely confusion, would she consistently misinterpret him in the more scandalous, less politically correct, more umbrage-stoking direction?</p>
<p>To conclude, this is neither an endorsement nor a condemnation of Peterson’s views.<b> It is an argument that the effects of the approach used in this interview are pernicious.</b><br />
&#8230;<br />
Lots of culture-war fights are unavoidable––that is, they are rooted in earnest, strongly felt disagreements over the best values or way forward or method of prioritizing goods. The best we can do is have those fights, with rules against eye-gouging.</p>
<p>But there is a way to reduce needless division over the countless disagreements that are inevitable in a pluralistic democracy: get better at accurately characterizing the views of folks with differing opinions, rather than egging them on to offer more extreme statements in interviews; <b>or even worse, distorting their words so that existing divisions seem more intractable or impossible to tolerate than they are.</b> That sort of exaggeration or hyperbolic misrepresentation is epidemic—and addressing it for everyone’s sake is long overdue.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nobody listened to him, judging by the exponential increase in hyperbolic hysteria over the intervening years.</p>
<p>This was new to me, short but powerful.<br />
<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxP_UDH9jts" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxP_UDH9jts</a><br />
Tucker Carlson and Jordan Peterson Discuss the Cathy Newman Fallout</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Nov 2021 02:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tuvea,

I think that is permissible and I agree, it would be a great, power move.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tuvea,</p>
<p>I think that is permissible and I agree, it would be a great, power move.</p>
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