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		By: stan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/03/so-what-about-the-whole-election-cheating-thing/#comment-2587082</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 20:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I don’t think we’ll ever know whether cheating made a difference in 2020. I don’t think it’s possible to know, and that’s part of the problem because it’s certainly plausible.&quot;

If one uses the same statistical standards used by science to determine &quot;scientific facts&quot;, we can conclude that the election was stolen. Because the statistics showing rampant fraud are much stronger and show a far greater certainty than the science behind, for example, catastrophic climate change.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I don’t think we’ll ever know whether cheating made a difference in 2020. I don’t think it’s possible to know, and that’s part of the problem because it’s certainly plausible.&#8221;</p>
<p>If one uses the same statistical standards used by science to determine &#8220;scientific facts&#8221;, we can conclude that the election was stolen. Because the statistics showing rampant fraud are much stronger and show a far greater certainty than the science behind, for example, catastrophic climate change.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/03/so-what-about-the-whole-election-cheating-thing/#comment-2587037</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 16:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wisconsin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wisconsin.</p>
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		By: Bruce Hayden		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/03/so-what-about-the-whole-election-cheating-thing/#comment-2587035</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bruce Hayden]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 16:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“My take on the 2020 elections in the US is that there was likely some fraud in a few states — notably GA, PA, MI and one other that escapes me right now. That fraud was very possibly enough to swing the results from Trump to Biden in those states, and those states had enough electoral votes to give Biden the win. I would guess we’re talking about fewer than 150,000 total fraudulent votes in those states.”

Likely several times that in just one state - here in AZ. Biden won by 10k and Jelly by 20k, and hundreds of thousands of questionable ballots.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“My take on the 2020 elections in the US is that there was likely some fraud in a few states — notably GA, PA, MI and one other that escapes me right now. That fraud was very possibly enough to swing the results from Trump to Biden in those states, and those states had enough electoral votes to give Biden the win. I would guess we’re talking about fewer than 150,000 total fraudulent votes in those states.”</p>
<p>Likely several times that in just one state &#8211; here in AZ. Biden won by 10k and Jelly by 20k, and hundreds of thousands of questionable ballots.</p>
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		By: OBloody Hell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/03/so-what-about-the-whole-election-cheating-thing/#comment-2587029</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBloody Hell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 15:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My response?

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}}} &lt;i&gt;“See, all you stupid Trumpers! Elections aren’t rigged so shut up about 2020!”&lt;/i&gt;

HEY, ASSHOLE: you jackwads went on and on and on for THREE FREAKING YEARS over a GLARINGLY FAKED &quot;Russia&quot; connection to Trump, which ALWAYS had LESS justification than the ELECTION RIGGING questions do.

So *G*F*Y*. With a sharp pointy stick... *Not* letting go of this, DIPSHIT. 

You ALSO attempted to pillory a SCotUS candidate over blatantly, unquestionably doubtful rape allegations.

I repeat: *G*F*Y*. With a sharp pointy stick, coated with Tabasco sauce and ghost pepper puree...  *Not* letting go of this, you moronic  DIPSHIT.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My response?</p>
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<p>}}} <i>“See, all you stupid Trumpers! Elections aren’t rigged so shut up about 2020!”</i></p>
<p>HEY, ASSHOLE: you jackwads went on and on and on for THREE FREAKING YEARS over a GLARINGLY FAKED &#8220;Russia&#8221; connection to Trump, which ALWAYS had LESS justification than the ELECTION RIGGING questions do.</p>
<p>So *G*F*Y*. With a sharp pointy stick&#8230; *Not* letting go of this, DIPSHIT. </p>
<p>You ALSO attempted to pillory a SCotUS candidate over blatantly, unquestionably doubtful rape allegations.</p>
<p>I repeat: *G*F*Y*. With a sharp pointy stick, coated with Tabasco sauce and ghost pepper puree&#8230;  *Not* letting go of this, you moronic  DIPSHIT.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/03/so-what-about-the-whole-election-cheating-thing/#comment-2587011</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 14:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[wendybar&#039;s comment needs to be repeated, Murphy &#039;won&#039; through fraud. https://www.rightjournalism.com/new-jersey-voter-fraud-allegations-video-shows-republican-winning-largest-county-with-100-of-votes-counted-then-vote-flips-and-democrat-wins-county/ 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;The most significant thing Youngkin proved is that Republicans don’t have to run candidates who alienate large swaths of the white collar suburbs in order to turn out Trump’s rural blue collar base.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Bauxite 

Mistaken and not even close to the &quot;most significant thing&quot;. 

What Trump demonstrated and Youngkin reinforced is that strait talk about &lt;i&gt;the results of the democrat&#039;s actions&lt;/i&gt; is the way to win. People don&#039;t need to know why the left&#039;s thinking is, at best  flawed, to see that placing them in control is disastrous. 

What Trump demonstrated to the GOP is that following through on promises creates approval from the base and loyalty to those whose actions match their words. But the GOP already knew that, they simply aren&#039;t serving their voters but rather their big donors. 

Dick Illyes,

Thank you for that insightful proposal. 

Barry Meislin, 

True, the democrats will never vote for such a system. If the GOP ever regains majority control, that is when such a system could be implemented. If they do not then do so, absolute proof will have been demonstrated that there is only a Uni-Party and a very small minority of dissenters.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wendybar&#8217;s comment needs to be repeated, Murphy &#8216;won&#8217; through fraud. <a href="https://www.rightjournalism.com/new-jersey-voter-fraud-allegations-video-shows-republican-winning-largest-county-with-100-of-votes-counted-then-vote-flips-and-democrat-wins-county/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.rightjournalism.com/new-jersey-voter-fraud-allegations-video-shows-republican-winning-largest-county-with-100-of-votes-counted-then-vote-flips-and-democrat-wins-county/</a> </p>
<p><i>&#8220;The most significant thing Youngkin proved is that Republicans don’t have to run candidates who alienate large swaths of the white collar suburbs in order to turn out Trump’s rural blue collar base.&#8221;</i> Bauxite </p>
<p>Mistaken and not even close to the &#8220;most significant thing&#8221;. </p>
<p>What Trump demonstrated and Youngkin reinforced is that strait talk about <i>the results of the democrat&#8217;s actions</i> is the way to win. People don&#8217;t need to know why the left&#8217;s thinking is, at best  flawed, to see that placing them in control is disastrous. </p>
<p>What Trump demonstrated to the GOP is that following through on promises creates approval from the base and loyalty to those whose actions match their words. But the GOP already knew that, they simply aren&#8217;t serving their voters but rather their big donors. </p>
<p>Dick Illyes,</p>
<p>Thank you for that insightful proposal. </p>
<p>Barry Meislin, </p>
<p>True, the democrats will never vote for such a system. If the GOP ever regains majority control, that is when such a system could be implemented. If they do not then do so, absolute proof will have been demonstrated that there is only a Uni-Party and a very small minority of dissenters.</p>
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		By: TJ		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/03/so-what-about-the-whole-election-cheating-thing/#comment-2586999</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TJ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 13:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[See&quot;cheating&quot; -- that word regarding the hopefully sacrosanct act of of popular voting appears in this page 14 times.

THAT is how far American civilization has descended towards the Hell of illegitimacy and tyranny.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See&#8221;cheating&#8221; &#8212; that word regarding the hopefully sacrosanct act of of popular voting appears in this page 14 times.</p>
<p>THAT is how far American civilization has descended towards the Hell of illegitimacy and tyranny.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/03/so-what-about-the-whole-election-cheating-thing/#comment-2586994</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 13:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Leading us all down the Garden State path...
&quot;New Jersey poll workers let illegal alien vote and admitted they was letting illegal aliens vote during the presidential election.&quot;
https://twitter.com/AKA_RealDirty/status/1456107653139243013
H/T Lee Smith twitter roll.

+ An &quot;oldie but goodie&quot;:
&#039;Dems find more ballots over the next 24 hours and call a win for Murphy, even though Ciatterrelli was ahead.  They get their lapdog media outlets to prematurely call a win for Murphy.  Make Ciatterrelli challenge it in court and hope he runs out of time.  Sound familiar?&#039;
https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1456047902736850944]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leading us all down the Garden State path&#8230;<br />
&#8220;New Jersey poll workers let illegal alien vote and admitted they was letting illegal aliens vote during the presidential election.&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/AKA_RealDirty/status/1456107653139243013" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/AKA_RealDirty/status/1456107653139243013</a><br />
H/T Lee Smith twitter roll.</p>
<p>+ An &#8220;oldie but goodie&#8221;:<br />
&#8216;Dems find more ballots over the next 24 hours and call a win for Murphy, even though Ciatterrelli was ahead.  They get their lapdog media outlets to prematurely call a win for Murphy.  Make Ciatterrelli challenge it in court and hope he runs out of time.  Sound familiar?&#8217;<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1456047902736850944" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/christina_bobb/status/1456047902736850944</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/03/so-what-about-the-whole-election-cheating-thing/#comment-2586983</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 12:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Dick, for explaining to us---in explicit detail and with great patience---just why the Democrats will never vote for such an excellent system.

Hint:
- It&#039;s racist!
- It disenfranchises [fake] voters!
- It smacks of whiteness and white privilege!

In short, it can&#039;t be easily manipulated.

(But would it ever be great if it could be implemented...)

Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Dick, for explaining to us&#8212;in explicit detail and with great patience&#8212;just why the Democrats will never vote for such an excellent system.</p>
<p>Hint:<br />
&#8211; It&#8217;s racist!<br />
&#8211; It disenfranchises [fake] voters!<br />
&#8211; It smacks of whiteness and white privilege!</p>
<p>In short, it can&#8217;t be easily manipulated.</p>
<p>(But would it ever be great if it could be implemented&#8230;)</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		By: Dick Illyes		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/11/03/so-what-about-the-whole-election-cheating-thing/#comment-2586981</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dick Illyes]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 11:54:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Why are there are no discussions of what an ideal election system should look like?

As a computer professional who has written tens of thousands of lines of code and designed several successful complex systems, I believe that all the software in voting systems should be open source in C running under Linux.

Paper ballots should be used so a permanent record is created. Voters should be able to see their ballot scanned and review the result of the scan immediately.

Scans of mailed ballots could be provided by using public/private key encrypted access over the internet.

The cost of scanners has plummeted and quality has soared. Voting machines could incorporate scanners in each booth which would be fed the paper ballot, display the result, print a confirmation ticket, and save the ballot in a secure container once the voter approved the scan.

Voting system suppliers should compete on things like reliability, cost, support and training provided, level of repair parts and devices and ability to provide quick maintenance service. Their systems should all use the same open source code.

Processors running the systems shouldn’t have the hardware to support any type of communication except direct physical connection, no Wi-Fi or Bluetooth or other similar hardware should be allowed. Open source memory image tests also should be provided to poll watchers who could run the test on machines at will. Audit trails of the types long used in banking systems could easily provide almost unbreakable security of results.

Go into a booth or sit at your kitchen table and mark a paper ballot. Watch it being scanned and check the results or go online and use the private key provided with your ballot to see how it was recorded, with the software providing online access also open source.

This article provides good information on the weaknesses of the current systems. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/

Direct Recording Electronic voting systems, or DREs, should be replaced by scanners at all polling places, which would scan ballots immediately and let the voter see the results.

Total transparency is the only solution to the sort of behavior we saw in the 2020 election. Voters should be able to see their ballot processed, see the votes counted, and know that armies of geeks are looking at everything in the systems being used.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are there are no discussions of what an ideal election system should look like?</p>
<p>As a computer professional who has written tens of thousands of lines of code and designed several successful complex systems, I believe that all the software in voting systems should be open source in C running under Linux.</p>
<p>Paper ballots should be used so a permanent record is created. Voters should be able to see their ballot scanned and review the result of the scan immediately.</p>
<p>Scans of mailed ballots could be provided by using public/private key encrypted access over the internet.</p>
<p>The cost of scanners has plummeted and quality has soared. Voting machines could incorporate scanners in each booth which would be fed the paper ballot, display the result, print a confirmation ticket, and save the ballot in a secure container once the voter approved the scan.</p>
<p>Voting system suppliers should compete on things like reliability, cost, support and training provided, level of repair parts and devices and ability to provide quick maintenance service. Their systems should all use the same open source code.</p>
<p>Processors running the systems shouldn’t have the hardware to support any type of communication except direct physical connection, no Wi-Fi or Bluetooth or other similar hardware should be allowed. Open source memory image tests also should be provided to poll watchers who could run the test on machines at will. Audit trails of the types long used in banking systems could easily provide almost unbreakable security of results.</p>
<p>Go into a booth or sit at your kitchen table and mark a paper ballot. Watch it being scanned and check the results or go online and use the private key provided with your ballot to see how it was recorded, with the software providing online access also open source.</p>
<p>This article provides good information on the weaknesses of the current systems. <a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2020/11/02/computer-experts-sound-warnings-safety-americas-voting-machines/6087174002/</a></p>
<p>Direct Recording Electronic voting systems, or DREs, should be replaced by scanners at all polling places, which would scan ballots immediately and let the voter see the results.</p>
<p>Total transparency is the only solution to the sort of behavior we saw in the 2020 election. Voters should be able to see their ballot processed, see the votes counted, and know that armies of geeks are looking at everything in the systems being used.</p>
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		By: Rufus T. Firefly		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rufus T. Firefly]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Nov 2021 11:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[stan,

Well said]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>stan,</p>
<p>Well said</p>
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