How do you Show Your Work when doing so on the record and with details and witness depositions exposes everyone involved to Cancellation for Life?

I’m more of a Z Man fan than Unz — I like Unz because he will publish literally anyone who cannot get a platform elsewhere. The fact that many of those are seriously deranged is neither here nor there. Even a lunatic can speak the truth or fragments of it. In these troubled times perhaps more so than many of the ostensibly sane and sensible. Z Man was smoking the Cope-ium a week or two ago because apparently the Chinese can’t have tested this hypersonic missile because Physics. So he ain’t perfect. Not when he disagrees with my evaluations, anyway!

The point of these people is that they say the Unsayable… and by making so much unsayable in the current climate, the Woke have made far too many things Unthinkable. When you cannot discuss or contemplate the issues in their full complexity, as a society you’re cruising for some serious bruisings.

Literally everyone has bad experiences with Indian outsourcing (whether it be e.g. Cathay Pacific totally borking their customer facing systems for a few year, or just the standard call centre idiocies). There comes a point when one has to admit that it’s raining and not hold off passing judgement until the annual general meeting of the American Society of Meteorologists has pronounced Holy Writ. In other words, things can be true even if they cannot be written in the New York Times. Or even here, on occasion.

Yeah… it’s icky. I know. I get it. But so is Humanity… and Triply so when stuff goes all Babylon 5. Which is unnatural and now how we are programmed to live. And is asking for trouble from the cruel gods who coded our DNA.

Zaphod:

That’s as may be. My point is that just because people at Unz are willing to say unkind things about ethnic groups doesn’t make them right. I need them to show their work with more detail than the above.

Which is my general problem with Unz and Zman.

I’m as aware as you that that list is not perfect. But there are patterns.

Not all Chinese programmers are great.

So how about the US equivalent of DJI? I mean there’s an Apple for Consumer and Professional Videography drones, isn’t there? I use GoPro and Insta360 products. My contention is that Insta360 (Chinese from top to bottom) is out-innovating GoPro.

The point is that GoPro has to use Chinese hardware and firmware guys. There simply is none of this ecosystem left in America because usual Financialising of Everything Social Asset-stripping Suspects offshored it all so they could score their personal sold gold messes of pottage.

Guess who gets the pick of the cream of Chinese hardware/firmware/software guys? Chinese companies. Huawei, DJI, etc. They pay better and supply better benefits than Whitey MBA BugXirson will — his bonus depends on not paying them as much as the Evil Chinkies do their own. And make no mistake… a good software guy in Shenzhen or Shanghai can live a *very* good life and take holidays in Paris and buy LV bags for his wife. The sweatshop / slave labour stuff is mostly cope-ium or happens when an outsourcer is a real bottom scraper.

For pure software ability… Don’t forget they hacked the heads of a generation *and* hoovered up a bunch of biometrics and location data with TikTok. There’s a lot going on inside that one to make the dopamine hack work better than the other competitors.

You know who really sucks at software though? The Japs. Should be MBA Cases studies on how Sony died as soon as software became more important than the best engineered metal boxes and solenoid switches.

Your measured response… I don’t quite like your thinking, but I do admire your restraint.

A healthy sane company and national strategic asset would not outsource to India. Or any other country. Full stop. Possible exception for Japan given that USA simply cannot manufacture the highest grades of carbon fiber (Hello, Toray).

Of course I cannot provide direct documentary evidence. But there is a smell about the whole thing. And there is plenty of chatter out there. Do I need to explain why nobody will go directly on the record?

For sure there are going to be numerous other corporate cancer issues inside Boeing. My contention is that 90% of them cannot be fixed because they cannot be described or even THOUGHT by the kinds of people who can survive the Diversity and Wokeness minefield to make it into positions where they could actually do something about these issues.

So back to Drunk Under the Lamp Post. Per usual.

And seriously… Anyone who has had business dealings with different ethnicities knows that certain stereotypes give you better than 50% chance of being right. Of course you then iterate your internal Bayes algo as you have further dealings with them.

But taken on the whole. Indians are sloppy, cheating, short-cut takers. Most of their programming shops are full of not very bright people who work to spec in the most unimaginative ways. That’s just how it is.

The Chinese all over Asia, North and South-East, joke that the Indians are the only folk capable of cheating them.

It doesn’t mean go genocide Indians. It means that Indians are suitable to be In India being Indian with other Indians… not with the Rest of Us who are not really equipped to deal with their unique and special ways of being and doing.

And when they’re not talking about that, they’re talking about how as soon as one Indian guy gets into a position with hiring authority, he soon loads the joint up with his compatriots and drives out Whitey. Doubtless this is all incredible and new information to Economic Rationalists (there’s an oxymoron for you, now).. that Humans are Tribal and favour their own.. Except of course for the Cattle of the West who have been carefully taught and goaded into not looking after their own.

Gets even better… Then you get forums where *Indians* are bitching. Prime situation is when some guy or girl from the Scheduled Castes manages to get into one of the few good universities (if it’s not part of IIT system in India u can pretty much wipe your bum on any tech-related diploma — not that *they* do:P) and then score a job in USA. As soon as the Brahmins find out that he/she is a jumped up hereditary toilet cleaner, well it’s off to job purgatory. Magically Indians can discriminate against Whites and even other Indians in America, but… but This Is Not Who We Are ™.

It’s just a mess.. They should be back where they come from using their big brains to get the vast majority of their own population out of an almost literal cess pit of existence.

The idea that a single $300MM outsourcing deal from GM to Wipro was responsible for *the bankruptcy of GM* is ridiculous on its face. No effect from pension costs, customer acceptance of products, federal/state/local taxes, worker morale, etc, just that Wipro deal? c’mon, man!

In the mid-90’s there was an internal e-zine at Boeing run by a feisty bunch. You knew they were headed for trouble when they had a scathing assessment of senior management titled “Airplane Farm”. They pulled no punches. They had an employee only forum section called “The Open Mind”. Some VP lost a battle of wits in said forum and it was ordered shutdown. The last issue was titled “The Open Mind is Closed”

Bad company!

As I recall the great software outsourcing in the 90s was mostly to India. The effort failed and companies had to reel that work back to the States. I’m not sure if it was due to Indians or the underestimated difficulties of off-shore development or both.

I have a senior engineer friend at GoPro, who supervises some firmware projects in China and says the work is done by “cowboy programmers” — insufficient discipline and testing.

That said, I’d have to check just about every entry in your list myself. There are plenty of failures and shady activities in tech. There are plenty of Indians and Chinese in tech. It’s not necessarily clear that one has to do with the other.

For instance, HP and Sun Micro were “Taken over by Indian and Chinese workers in 2001” then “collapsed.” Many businesses collapsed after the dot-com bubble burst. I’d need a meaty book chapter or magazine article to blame Indians or Chinese.