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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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					<description><![CDATA[There will probably be another discussion of the school situation and the DOJ&#039;s Stasi-wannabe act, so I&#039;ll set this here for future reference.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1452970959124766726.html
Doc Zero (John Hayward) 2021-10-26

&lt;blockquote&gt;It&#039;s an astounding measure of the Left&#039;s bureaucratic and media power that so many American parents has absolutely no idea how bad political indoctrination in schools has become until a few months ago. 

The Left&#039;s media goons are scrambling to frame concerned parents as domestic terrorists, but if you watch any of these school board meetings or interviews with the parents, they&#039;re more surprised than angry. They really didn&#039;t know what lefty teachers were doing to their kids. 

Some of the anger parents are projecting is anger at themselves. They&#039;re kicking themselves for not paying closer attention while their schools were infiltrated, subverted, and perverted by radical left-wing ideologues. They wonder how it got so bad without them noticing. 
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I think this ignorance is a direct result of the fact that many families have both parents working, and far too many are single-parent families.  This leaves no one volunteering at the school, as was still common even when my kids were going - although that&#039;s now 30 years ago! - and kids don&#039;t know enough to tell their folks what&#039;s happening even if they think their parents will listen.

[Side note: schools have been actively hiding things from parents since my kids WERE in school, starting with abortions facilitated by the school.]

Secondly, the systems are so large now, there is no community network were those parents (and teachers) who do know, and object, can pass that information on to other families.  My parents had literally (actually) gone to school with some of my teachers, people went to the same churches, and shared the same doctors and dentists.
Word got around when it needed to.

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And of course, reactive fury against the Left&#039;s political and media savaging of concerned parents is building - but there&#039;s surprise mixed in with THAT, too. Parents are shocked that the people who run &quot;their&quot; schools could instantly label them terrorists and sic the FBI on them. 

It&#039;s stunning for honest, hard-working parents to hear the Left actually come out and say: These are not YOUR children. They belong to us, to the State. You aren&#039;t qualified to have an opinion about what we teach them. Your involvement is not welcome. 
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Hillary warned us.
It&#039;s just that she didn&#039;t mean &lt;em&gt;your&lt;/em&gt; village would raise your child.

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A lot of average middle-class parents simply had no idea this mindset had taken hold of the hyper-politicized educational establishment. They dismissed earlier warnings as paranoia, and now they&#039;re mad at themselves for not listening. 
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It was only on FOX -- who listens to that propaganda!

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When you mix surprise, fear, regret, anger, and revulsion, you get horror. The parents of America are horrified to learn what has been done to their schools. They&#039;re still trying to process their horror while the Left&#039;s huge, well-oiled attack machine goes to work on them. 

Involved parents could become the grassroots movement that changes everything - or they might be demoralized and intimidated back into silence by their authoritarian adversaries. The outcome is still in doubt. The battle for schools is today&#039;s Lexington and Concord. 

And some of the hot fury of the Left&#039;s counterattack against parents is born from surprise as well. The Left was drooling at the thought of using the pandemic to expand its power and crush school choice. They did not foresee a resistance movement catching fire like this. /end 
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The unions made a really big mistake not going back into the schools when they had a chance. The longer kids stayed at home and on-line, the more active parents became.  Many mothers (and some fathers) gave up working to monitor their kids schoolwork -- or even home-teach -- and that broke the wall of secrecy.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will probably be another discussion of the school situation and the DOJ&#8217;s Stasi-wannabe act, so I&#8217;ll set this here for future reference.</p>
<p><a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1452970959124766726.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1452970959124766726.html</a><br />
Doc Zero (John Hayward) 2021-10-26</p>
<blockquote><p>It&#8217;s an astounding measure of the Left&#8217;s bureaucratic and media power that so many American parents has absolutely no idea how bad political indoctrination in schools has become until a few months ago. </p>
<p>The Left&#8217;s media goons are scrambling to frame concerned parents as domestic terrorists, but if you watch any of these school board meetings or interviews with the parents, they&#8217;re more surprised than angry. They really didn&#8217;t know what lefty teachers were doing to their kids. </p>
<p>Some of the anger parents are projecting is anger at themselves. They&#8217;re kicking themselves for not paying closer attention while their schools were infiltrated, subverted, and perverted by radical left-wing ideologues. They wonder how it got so bad without them noticing.
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<p>I think this ignorance is a direct result of the fact that many families have both parents working, and far too many are single-parent families.  This leaves no one volunteering at the school, as was still common even when my kids were going &#8211; although that&#8217;s now 30 years ago! &#8211; and kids don&#8217;t know enough to tell their folks what&#8217;s happening even if they think their parents will listen.</p>
<p>[Side note: schools have been actively hiding things from parents since my kids WERE in school, starting with abortions facilitated by the school.]</p>
<p>Secondly, the systems are so large now, there is no community network were those parents (and teachers) who do know, and object, can pass that information on to other families.  My parents had literally (actually) gone to school with some of my teachers, people went to the same churches, and shared the same doctors and dentists.<br />
Word got around when it needed to.</p>
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And of course, reactive fury against the Left&#8217;s political and media savaging of concerned parents is building &#8211; but there&#8217;s surprise mixed in with THAT, too. Parents are shocked that the people who run &#8220;their&#8221; schools could instantly label them terrorists and sic the FBI on them. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s stunning for honest, hard-working parents to hear the Left actually come out and say: These are not YOUR children. They belong to us, to the State. You aren&#8217;t qualified to have an opinion about what we teach them. Your involvement is not welcome.
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<p>Hillary warned us.<br />
It&#8217;s just that she didn&#8217;t mean <em>your</em> village would raise your child.</p>
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A lot of average middle-class parents simply had no idea this mindset had taken hold of the hyper-politicized educational establishment. They dismissed earlier warnings as paranoia, and now they&#8217;re mad at themselves for not listening.
</p></blockquote>
<p>It was only on FOX &#8212; who listens to that propaganda!</p>
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When you mix surprise, fear, regret, anger, and revulsion, you get horror. The parents of America are horrified to learn what has been done to their schools. They&#8217;re still trying to process their horror while the Left&#8217;s huge, well-oiled attack machine goes to work on them. </p>
<p>Involved parents could become the grassroots movement that changes everything &#8211; or they might be demoralized and intimidated back into silence by their authoritarian adversaries. The outcome is still in doubt. The battle for schools is today&#8217;s Lexington and Concord. </p>
<p>And some of the hot fury of the Left&#8217;s counterattack against parents is born from surprise as well. The Left was drooling at the thought of using the pandemic to expand its power and crush school choice. They did not foresee a resistance movement catching fire like this. /end
</p></blockquote>
<p>The unions made a really big mistake not going back into the schools when they had a chance. The longer kids stayed at home and on-line, the more active parents became.  Many mothers (and some fathers) gave up working to monitor their kids schoolwork &#8212; or even home-teach &#8212; and that broke the wall of secrecy.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/30/open-thread-10-30-21/#comment-2586293</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2021 01:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Not exactly about yoga pants, but close. 
https://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/26/womans-hilarious-rant-on-why-leggings-aint-pants-goes-viral/21254070/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not exactly about yoga pants, but close.<br />
<a href="https://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/26/womans-hilarious-rant-on-why-leggings-aint-pants-goes-viral/21254070/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.aol.com/article/2015/10/26/womans-hilarious-rant-on-why-leggings-aint-pants-goes-viral/21254070/</a></p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/30/open-thread-10-30-21/#comment-2586281</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Nov 2021 00:05:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[More hilarity. Sometimes past performance is an indicator of future results. This guy should get a job at the Bee.

https://www.thejc.com/news/world/last-afghan-jew-give-me-10m-to-move-to-israel-or-i-ll-be-going-back-home-to-kabul-1.522045]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More hilarity. Sometimes past performance is an indicator of future results. This guy should get a job at the Bee.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.thejc.com/news/world/last-afghan-jew-give-me-10m-to-move-to-israel-or-i-ll-be-going-back-home-to-kabul-1.522045" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thejc.com/news/world/last-afghan-jew-give-me-10m-to-move-to-israel-or-i-ll-be-going-back-home-to-kabul-1.522045</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/30/open-thread-10-30-21/#comment-2586179</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2021 07:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[My Grandad was a genuine cowboy - raised with horses all his life, a full-fledged ranch hand at an early enough age that he did a short cattle drive on his own at 12.  Drove a chuck wagon in WWI in France.

When the artfully-torn-faded-jeans fad began (that was when you wore and tore your own, before the manufacturers did it for you), he remarked laconically, &quot;When our pants looked like that, we threw &#039;em away.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My Grandad was a genuine cowboy &#8211; raised with horses all his life, a full-fledged ranch hand at an early enough age that he did a short cattle drive on his own at 12.  Drove a chuck wagon in WWI in France.</p>
<p>When the artfully-torn-faded-jeans fad began (that was when you wore and tore your own, before the manufacturers did it for you), he remarked laconically, &#8220;When our pants looked like that, we threw &#8217;em away.&#8221;</p>
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		By: geoffb		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/30/open-thread-10-30-21/#comment-2586163</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2021 05:21:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[How to get a problem fix going. h/t Insty.

https://thezvi.wordpress.com/2021/10/28/an-unexpected-victory-container-stacking-at-the-port-of-los-angeles/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to get a problem fix going. h/t Insty.</p>
<p><a href="https://thezvi.wordpress.com/2021/10/28/an-unexpected-victory-container-stacking-at-the-port-of-los-angeles/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://thezvi.wordpress.com/2021/10/28/an-unexpected-victory-container-stacking-at-the-port-of-los-angeles/</a></p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/30/open-thread-10-30-21/#comment-2586157</link>

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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2021 03:43:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Trying not to derail the drumming thread with musical irrelevancies, so here we go:

Some decadent old Shanghai songs:

https://www.shjazz.com/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVTUunPlERg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tOttxK__14]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trying not to derail the drumming thread with musical irrelevancies, so here we go:</p>
<p>Some decadent old Shanghai songs:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.shjazz.com/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.shjazz.com/</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVTUunPlERg" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVTUunPlERg</a></p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tOttxK__14" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tOttxK__14</a></p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2021 03:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

I can remember new jeans from the late 70s which were stiff as a board. Had a very distinct new clothes smell.

The jeans you were wearing back when would have been selvedge — before they became Veblen Goods. So you’re like Tom Wolfe’s Man Who Peaked Too Soon!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>I can remember new jeans from the late 70s which were stiff as a board. Had a very distinct new clothes smell.</p>
<p>The jeans you were wearing back when would have been selvedge — before they became Veblen Goods. So you’re like Tom Wolfe’s Man Who Peaked Too Soon!</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2021 02:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

I can&#039;t speak to selvedge denim, but in the old-timey mid-20th C I grew up in, we bought jeans that were new and pretty darn stiff. Took months to properly break in, though we heedlessly tossed them into the washer whenever the time was right or Mom decreed it.

It was later that we could buy partially broken-in, stone-washed or whatever jeans. I considered it a civilizational advance.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t speak to selvedge denim, but in the old-timey mid-20th C I grew up in, we bought jeans that were new and pretty darn stiff. Took months to properly break in, though we heedlessly tossed them into the washer whenever the time was right or Mom decreed it.</p>
<p>It was later that we could buy partially broken-in, stone-washed or whatever jeans. I considered it a civilizational advance.</p>
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		By: Bilwick		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2021 02:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I like yoga pants--especially when worn by the first young lady in that commercial for that Mirror exerciser. That is one Grade A hiney.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like yoga pants&#8211;especially when worn by the first young lady in that commercial for that Mirror exerciser. That is one Grade A hiney.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Oct 2021 02:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I used to frequent a UK watch collecting forum partly peopled by City of London financial types with cash to burn. One of their non-horological preoccupations was high end raw selvedge denim jeans. See here:

https://theunbrandedbrand.com/pages/rawdenim

Shofar sho good… But the problem is that to break these in properly so that you get the correct effect, you can’t wash them. The strategy is to keep wearing them day in, day out until you can’t stand the stench — otherwise you won’t arrive at the correct fade effect. Lots of advice about freezing them in the refrigerator to kill or otherwise slow down bacterial growth whilst doing this.

Eventually, having borne all this unhygienic misery, you *can* finally start washing them once you’ve reached the desired state of appearance.

But the whole idea is just Bonkers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to frequent a UK watch collecting forum partly peopled by City of London financial types with cash to burn. One of their non-horological preoccupations was high end raw selvedge denim jeans. See here:</p>
<p><a href="https://theunbrandedbrand.com/pages/rawdenim" rel="nofollow ugc">https://theunbrandedbrand.com/pages/rawdenim</a></p>
<p>Shofar sho good… But the problem is that to break these in properly so that you get the correct effect, you can’t wash them. The strategy is to keep wearing them day in, day out until you can’t stand the stench — otherwise you won’t arrive at the correct fade effect. Lots of advice about freezing them in the refrigerator to kill or otherwise slow down bacterial growth whilst doing this.</p>
<p>Eventually, having borne all this unhygienic misery, you *can* finally start washing them once you’ve reached the desired state of appearance.</p>
<p>But the whole idea is just Bonkers.</p>
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