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		By: Cappy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/19/the-uks-fundamental-transformation-through-covid-restrictions/#comment-2584246</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cappy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Oct 2021 14:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They don&#039;t make men like Maggie Thatcher any more.

Meanwhile, Hunter Biden...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t make men like Maggie Thatcher any more.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, Hunter Biden&#8230;</p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/19/the-uks-fundamental-transformation-through-covid-restrictions/#comment-2583993</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Oct 2021 00:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[There are all kinds of arguments about masks and vaxxing and lockdowns and whoever.  People spout numbers and trends and risks and hypos.
Do you ever get the feeling that some of them LIKE being oppressed?  Like being told what to do, &quot;for their own good&#039;? MAKE ME DO STUPID STUFF!  Or, MAKE other people do stupid stuff they don&#039;t want to do.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are all kinds of arguments about masks and vaxxing and lockdowns and whoever.  People spout numbers and trends and risks and hypos.<br />
Do you ever get the feeling that some of them LIKE being oppressed?  Like being told what to do, &#8220;for their own good&#8217;? MAKE ME DO STUPID STUFF!  Or, MAKE other people do stupid stuff they don&#8217;t want to do.</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/19/the-uks-fundamental-transformation-through-covid-restrictions/#comment-2583936</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 20:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m reminded, as I often am these days, of a passage in Walter Miller&#039;s great novel a Canticle for Leibowitz:

&quot;To minimize suffering and to maximize security were natural and proper ends of society and Caesar. But then they became the only ends, somehow, and the only basis of law—a perversion. Inevitably, then, in seeking only them, we found only their opposites: maximum suffering and minimum security.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m reminded, as I often am these days, of a passage in Walter Miller&#8217;s great novel a Canticle for Leibowitz:</p>
<p>&#8220;To minimize suffering and to maximize security were natural and proper ends of society and Caesar. But then they became the only ends, somehow, and the only basis of law—a perversion. Inevitably, then, in seeking only them, we found only their opposites: maximum suffering and minimum security.&#8221;</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I believe Covid will fade into the background as another endemic disease with which we live. 

People will keep getting it and some will die, as with flu and pneumonia. (I just got my vaxxes for those yesterday, though I know neither gives perfect protection and I&#039;m not sure which pneumo vaxx I got.)

If that&#039;s true, it follows that just about everyone will get Covid eventually unless they are naturally immune or their vaxx does the trick (no guarantee).

So with all the lockdowns, masking etc. we have spread out the rate of transmission and reduced the likelihood of medical resources being overwhelmed.

But at what cost? And will we ever revisit the choices made in 2020?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Covid will fade into the background as another endemic disease with which we live. </p>
<p>People will keep getting it and some will die, as with flu and pneumonia. (I just got my vaxxes for those yesterday, though I know neither gives perfect protection and I&#8217;m not sure which pneumo vaxx I got.)</p>
<p>If that&#8217;s true, it follows that just about everyone will get Covid eventually unless they are naturally immune or their vaxx does the trick (no guarantee).</p>
<p>So with all the lockdowns, masking etc. we have spread out the rate of transmission and reduced the likelihood of medical resources being overwhelmed.</p>
<p>But at what cost? And will we ever revisit the choices made in 2020?</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sharon W:

I respect the experience you and your husband had and am very very glad you both survived. 

But of course I&#039;m not &quot;forgetting that greater than 98% of people survived this virus from the beginning without hospitalization and that continues to be the case.&quot; I&#039;m well aware of the statistics and have written many times (even at the start) about that, but those statistics aren&#039;t relevant to what we&#039;re discussing here.

I&#039;m written posts about this with links, and I&#039;m not going to go back and write about it in detail here.  But suffice to say that the relevant statistics are to compare the recent &lt;i&gt;percentages&lt;/i&gt; of the total vaccinated population hospitalized or dead from COVID who were fully vaccinated and the recent &lt;i&gt;percentages&lt;/i&gt; of the total unvaccinated population hospitalized or dead from COVID. The chances of a serious or deadly case in the unvaccinated is much greater.  That of course is not the case for people who have actually had COVID, such as yourself and your husband.  They are protected most strongly and in my opinion do not need to be vaccinated.

In the research I&#039;ve read, the statistics for people who are partly vaccinated are usually separated out as partly vaccinated and are in an intermediate category.  And by &quot;research&quot; I don&#039;t ordinarily mean &quot;newspaper articles or blog posts,&quot; which seem to get it wrong time and again if one looks at the actual research.

Lastly, of course the hospitalization and death statistics are complicated by the tendency in many states to list the death of anyone with COVID as dying &lt;i&gt;from&lt;/i&gt; COVID even though they didn&#039;t really die from COVID.  But at the moment that is an unknown number and will probably remain so.

And of course I support anyone&#039;s decision to be vaccinated or remain unvaccinated, for whatever reason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharon W:</p>
<p>I respect the experience you and your husband had and am very very glad you both survived. </p>
<p>But of course I&#8217;m not &#8220;forgetting that greater than 98% of people survived this virus from the beginning without hospitalization and that continues to be the case.&#8221; I&#8217;m well aware of the statistics and have written many times (even at the start) about that, but those statistics aren&#8217;t relevant to what we&#8217;re discussing here.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m written posts about this with links, and I&#8217;m not going to go back and write about it in detail here.  But suffice to say that the relevant statistics are to compare the recent <i>percentages</i> of the total vaccinated population hospitalized or dead from COVID who were fully vaccinated and the recent <i>percentages</i> of the total unvaccinated population hospitalized or dead from COVID. The chances of a serious or deadly case in the unvaccinated is much greater.  That of course is not the case for people who have actually had COVID, such as yourself and your husband.  They are protected most strongly and in my opinion do not need to be vaccinated.</p>
<p>In the research I&#8217;ve read, the statistics for people who are partly vaccinated are usually separated out as partly vaccinated and are in an intermediate category.  And by &#8220;research&#8221; I don&#8217;t ordinarily mean &#8220;newspaper articles or blog posts,&#8221; which seem to get it wrong time and again if one looks at the actual research.</p>
<p>Lastly, of course the hospitalization and death statistics are complicated by the tendency in many states to list the death of anyone with COVID as dying <i>from</i> COVID even though they didn&#8217;t really die from COVID.  But at the moment that is an unknown number and will probably remain so.</p>
<p>And of course I support anyone&#8217;s decision to be vaccinated or remain unvaccinated, for whatever reason.</p>
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		By: david foster		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[david foster]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 17:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Claire Berlinski, in her book &#039;Menace in Europe&#039;, talks about recurrent millenarian/apocalyptic cults which have erupted from time with a focus on *purity*.  She sees this phenomenon as being represented at the present time by &quot;crop worship&quot; and the French activist Jose Bove, who she sees as merely one in a long line of historical figures who hawked similar ideologies.  They range from a man of unknown name born in Bourges circa AD 560, to Talchem of Antwerp in 1112, through Hans the Piper of Niklashausen in the late 1400s, and on to the “dreamy, gentle, and lunatic Cathars” of Languedoc and finally to Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Berlinski sees all these people as being basically Christian heretics, with multiple factors in common.  They tend appeal to those whose status or economic position is threatened, and to link the economic anxieties of their followers with spiritual ones.  Quite a few of them have been hermits at some stage in their lives.  Most of them have been strongly anti-Semitic. And many of the “Boves”  have been concerned deeply with purity…Bove coined the neologism malbouffe, which according to Google Translate means “junk food,” but Berlinski says that translation “does not capture the full horror of bad bouffe, with its intimation of contamination, pollution, poison.”  She observes that “the passionate terror of malbouffe–well founded or not–is also no accident; it recalls the fanatic religious and ritualistic search for purity of the Middle Ages, ethnic purity included.  The fear of poisoning was widespread among the millenarians…”  (

See also this interesting piece on environmentalist ritualism as a means of coping with anxiety and perceived disorder:

https://reason.com/2014/08/22/environmentalism-and-the-fear-of-disorde/

Quite related to the excessive panics about Covid, I think.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claire Berlinski, in her book &#8216;Menace in Europe&#8217;, talks about recurrent millenarian/apocalyptic cults which have erupted from time with a focus on *purity*.  She sees this phenomenon as being represented at the present time by &#8220;crop worship&#8221; and the French activist Jose Bove, who she sees as merely one in a long line of historical figures who hawked similar ideologies.  They range from a man of unknown name born in Bourges circa AD 560, to Talchem of Antwerp in 1112, through Hans the Piper of Niklashausen in the late 1400s, and on to the “dreamy, gentle, and lunatic Cathars” of Languedoc and finally to Jean-Jacques Rousseau. Berlinski sees all these people as being basically Christian heretics, with multiple factors in common.  They tend appeal to those whose status or economic position is threatened, and to link the economic anxieties of their followers with spiritual ones.  Quite a few of them have been hermits at some stage in their lives.  Most of them have been strongly anti-Semitic. And many of the “Boves”  have been concerned deeply with purity…Bove coined the neologism malbouffe, which according to Google Translate means “junk food,” but Berlinski says that translation “does not capture the full horror of bad bouffe, with its intimation of contamination, pollution, poison.”  She observes that “the passionate terror of malbouffe–well founded or not–is also no accident; it recalls the fanatic religious and ritualistic search for purity of the Middle Ages, ethnic purity included.  The fear of poisoning was widespread among the millenarians…”  (</p>
<p>See also this interesting piece on environmentalist ritualism as a means of coping with anxiety and perceived disorder:</p>
<p><a href="https://reason.com/2014/08/22/environmentalism-and-the-fear-of-disorde/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://reason.com/2014/08/22/environmentalism-and-the-fear-of-disorde/</a></p>
<p>Quite related to the excessive panics about Covid, I think.</p>
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		By: n.n		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[n.n]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 15:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Here comes the influenza as a cadenza, the cold that is so bold, our fears will force us to our knees.  Let us bray.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here comes the influenza as a cadenza, the cold that is so bold, our fears will force us to our knees.  Let us bray.</p>
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		By: Sharon W		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/19/the-uks-fundamental-transformation-through-covid-restrictions/#comment-2583860</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Not to be left behind, His Holiness has decided to enter this minefield and in all earnestness truly steps in it:
https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/pope-demands-silicon-valley-name-god-censor-hate-speech-conspiracy-theories&quot;

The Vatican was the first institution to impose the vaccine mandate. As a devout Catholic I disavow this Pope as a false prophet. Gave him the benefit of the doubt for years, but as of this year I&#039;ve determined to use the ancient scriptures as my guide and anything or anyone that contradicts what even a child can determine from this book, I judge to be outside the wisdom of God. This man recently gave the right hand of fellowship to Nancy Pelosi. On the basis of Ezekiel 33, as her leader, he is now equally bound by the iniquity of her vial acts regarding protection of life in the womb. Prayers for them both, as I want to obey the command to pray for my enemies.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Not to be left behind, His Holiness has decided to enter this minefield and in all earnestness truly steps in it:<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/pope-demands-silicon-valley-name-god-censor-hate-speech-conspiracy-theories" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/pope-demands-silicon-valley-name-god-censor-hate-speech-conspiracy-theories</a>&#8221;</p>
<p>The Vatican was the first institution to impose the vaccine mandate. As a devout Catholic I disavow this Pope as a false prophet. Gave him the benefit of the doubt for years, but as of this year I&#8217;ve determined to use the ancient scriptures as my guide and anything or anyone that contradicts what even a child can determine from this book, I judge to be outside the wisdom of God. This man recently gave the right hand of fellowship to Nancy Pelosi. On the basis of Ezekiel 33, as her leader, he is now equally bound by the iniquity of her vial acts regarding protection of life in the womb. Prayers for them both, as I want to obey the command to pray for my enemies.</p>
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		By: Sharon W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;Neo, on “The stats basically say the vaccine is quite effective….”
To say the least, knowledgeable folks don’t buy that.&quot; ANanyMouse

I concur with you ANanyMouse.  The idea that there are less serious cases and deaths among the vaccinated depends on forgetting that greater than 98% of people survived this virus from the beginning without hospitalization and that continues to be the case. I had it and never took so much as an aspirin to recover. My husband suffered the cytokine storm because he was sent home without so much as fluids, oxygen or steroids when that would have been SOP for a respiratory infection from times past.  Sadly, not treating people is still going on as I know of 2 cases personally of recent date. Add to all this the fact that a person with 1 shot or in under 14 days after a 2nd shot is designated &quot;unvaccinated&quot; and you see the continuation of the narrative as disclosed by the governing authorities, none of whom I trust for any information whatsoever. Why would I?  Our friend&#039;s daughter is an RN and due to requirement to keep her job she got 1 shot, but having immediately suffered an attack, the result of a lifelong inflammatory condition, which hadn&#039;t happened in 4 straight years until the day of the shot, she applied for exemption and has it for now. A fellow nurse at Kaiser, a very big fan of the vaccine (designated as such, according to the new definition) told her 2 weeks ago that the ICU was full, but all the patients were stroke victims.  No 2+2=4 for him.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Neo, on “The stats basically say the vaccine is quite effective….”<br />
To say the least, knowledgeable folks don’t buy that.&#8221; ANanyMouse</p>
<p>I concur with you ANanyMouse.  The idea that there are less serious cases and deaths among the vaccinated depends on forgetting that greater than 98% of people survived this virus from the beginning without hospitalization and that continues to be the case. I had it and never took so much as an aspirin to recover. My husband suffered the cytokine storm because he was sent home without so much as fluids, oxygen or steroids when that would have been SOP for a respiratory infection from times past.  Sadly, not treating people is still going on as I know of 2 cases personally of recent date. Add to all this the fact that a person with 1 shot or in under 14 days after a 2nd shot is designated &#8220;unvaccinated&#8221; and you see the continuation of the narrative as disclosed by the governing authorities, none of whom I trust for any information whatsoever. Why would I?  Our friend&#8217;s daughter is an RN and due to requirement to keep her job she got 1 shot, but having immediately suffered an attack, the result of a lifelong inflammatory condition, which hadn&#8217;t happened in 4 straight years until the day of the shot, she applied for exemption and has it for now. A fellow nurse at Kaiser, a very big fan of the vaccine (designated as such, according to the new definition) told her 2 weeks ago that the ICU was full, but all the patients were stroke victims.  No 2+2=4 for him.</p>
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		By: JimNorCal		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JimNorCal]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 14:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Presented without comment: a 10 sec video showing what this has led to. 
Libs of TikTok is an entire channel of such vignettes
https://mobile.twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1448830190751297538]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Presented without comment: a 10 sec video showing what this has led to.<br />
Libs of TikTok is an entire channel of such vignettes<br />
<a href="https://mobile.twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1448830190751297538" rel="nofollow ugc">https://mobile.twitter.com/libsoftiktok/status/1448830190751297538</a></p>
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