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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 06:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Too good not to share - 

https://babylonbee.com/news/arms-race-heats-up-just-as-china-reveals-space-nukes-america-responds-with-trans-admiral]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too good not to share &#8211; </p>
<p><a href="https://babylonbee.com/news/arms-race-heats-up-just-as-china-reveals-space-nukes-america-responds-with-trans-admiral" rel="nofollow ugc">https://babylonbee.com/news/arms-race-heats-up-just-as-china-reveals-space-nukes-america-responds-with-trans-admiral</a></p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 05:40:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@AesopFan:

Don&#039;t know anything about US Combat medicine. Imagine it&#039;s pretty good for anti-insurgency work because they&#039;ve been playing at it in the various Sandpits for 30 years now. Full-on air and amphibious invasion medical support is another ball of wax I guess given Quantity having a Quality all of its own.

My guess is that the article about training of PLA combat nurses/medics under simulated battlefield conditions is targeted mainly at the domestic audience to reassure them that their troops will be getting the best of everything. It&#039;s no longer the Korean War Human Wave PLA. The Past is a Different Country (tm).

China is not so simple and cartoonish as people imagine. You cannot censor the sun coming up in the morning -- all you can do is put a positive spin on it. They&#039;re not going to be able to hide scale of casualties if it ever kicks off. So best put a positive story out there about how everything is being done to improve combat medical capabilities.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AesopFan:</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t know anything about US Combat medicine. Imagine it&#8217;s pretty good for anti-insurgency work because they&#8217;ve been playing at it in the various Sandpits for 30 years now. Full-on air and amphibious invasion medical support is another ball of wax I guess given Quantity having a Quality all of its own.</p>
<p>My guess is that the article about training of PLA combat nurses/medics under simulated battlefield conditions is targeted mainly at the domestic audience to reassure them that their troops will be getting the best of everything. It&#8217;s no longer the Korean War Human Wave PLA. The Past is a Different Country &#8482;.</p>
<p>China is not so simple and cartoonish as people imagine. You cannot censor the sun coming up in the morning &#8212; all you can do is put a positive spin on it. They&#8217;re not going to be able to hide scale of casualties if it ever kicks off. So best put a positive story out there about how everything is being done to improve combat medical capabilities.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 05:04:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Zaphod 
Very interesting article on the medic training.
Question to the resident experts: does our military do that kind of fine-tuning when they play war games?

Also, it linked to this post which seems to have some bearing on the hypersonic missile situation.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3152179/china-military-researchers-pinpoint-ai-hypersonic-weapons?module=hard_link&#038;pgtype=article

&lt;blockquote&gt;PLA missile scientists say the accuracy of hypersonic weapons could be improved by more than 10 times if control is taken out of human hands and given to a machine.

Their paper, published last week [October 2021] in the peer-reviewed journal Systems Engineering and Electronics, proposes using artificial intelligence to write the weapon’s software “on the fly” through a unique flight control algorithm as it travels at hypervelocity.
Professor Xian Yong and Li Bangjie, from Rocket Force Engineering University’s college of war support, said more decision-making power would be handed to the smart weapon – giving its human controllers no idea how it would behave after the launch button was pressed – &lt;b&gt;but overall positioning accuracy “would increase by one to two orders of magnitude”.&lt;/b&gt;
...
Whether a hypersonic weapon can hit its target after travelling hundreds or thousands of kilometres depends heavily on how precisely it can determine its own position while making complex manoeuvres during flight.

At hypervelocity, parts of an aircraft can get hotter than the sun’s surface, breaking air molecules into electrically charged ions which form a plasma coating. This reduces the craft’s radar signature but can also make it blind and deaf – unable to pick up GPS signals or use other references, such as the Earth’s magnetic field, for guidance.
These extreme conditions over long distances have forced a reliance on built-in inertial sensors – such as quartz accelerometers and laser gyroscopes – which can only estimate a hypersonic weapon’s location. This is despite sophisticated control software and painstaking on-the-ground testing.

The researchers said physical disturbances to the sensors were inevitable during their assembly, transport and routine maintenance. And each time the weapon is powered up, it affects the hardware, causing further deviations from the factory settings.
...
The speed of processors used in China’s hypersonic weapons programme remains classified, but their performance has been increasing steadily, according to the researchers.

Chinese scientists have used artificial intelligence to address other aspects of hypersonic flight, including engine control and communication. While China has fielded various types of hypersonic weapons, civilian applications of the technology remain challenging.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&quot;The Financial Times says that the tested hypersonic glide vehicle missed its target by a couple of dozen miles, but that is hardly reassuring considering the capabilities that are apparently in development here.&quot; - thedrive.com

Must not have had the AI installed on the missile that they just tested.

BTW:
The FT story is behind a paywall for me; if our IC was as surprised as the media reported, how did they know what the target was, so that they could figure out it was missed?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Zaphod<br />
Very interesting article on the medic training.<br />
Question to the resident experts: does our military do that kind of fine-tuning when they play war games?</p>
<p>Also, it linked to this post which seems to have some bearing on the hypersonic missile situation.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3152179/china-military-researchers-pinpoint-ai-hypersonic-weapons?module=hard_link&#038;pgtype=article" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.scmp.com/news/china/military/article/3152179/china-military-researchers-pinpoint-ai-hypersonic-weapons?module=hard_link&#038;pgtype=article</a></p>
<blockquote><p>PLA missile scientists say the accuracy of hypersonic weapons could be improved by more than 10 times if control is taken out of human hands and given to a machine.</p>
<p>Their paper, published last week [October 2021] in the peer-reviewed journal Systems Engineering and Electronics, proposes using artificial intelligence to write the weapon’s software “on the fly” through a unique flight control algorithm as it travels at hypervelocity.<br />
Professor Xian Yong and Li Bangjie, from Rocket Force Engineering University’s college of war support, said more decision-making power would be handed to the smart weapon – giving its human controllers no idea how it would behave after the launch button was pressed – <b>but overall positioning accuracy “would increase by one to two orders of magnitude”.</b><br />
&#8230;<br />
Whether a hypersonic weapon can hit its target after travelling hundreds or thousands of kilometres depends heavily on how precisely it can determine its own position while making complex manoeuvres during flight.</p>
<p>At hypervelocity, parts of an aircraft can get hotter than the sun’s surface, breaking air molecules into electrically charged ions which form a plasma coating. This reduces the craft’s radar signature but can also make it blind and deaf – unable to pick up GPS signals or use other references, such as the Earth’s magnetic field, for guidance.<br />
These extreme conditions over long distances have forced a reliance on built-in inertial sensors – such as quartz accelerometers and laser gyroscopes – which can only estimate a hypersonic weapon’s location. This is despite sophisticated control software and painstaking on-the-ground testing.</p>
<p>The researchers said physical disturbances to the sensors were inevitable during their assembly, transport and routine maintenance. And each time the weapon is powered up, it affects the hardware, causing further deviations from the factory settings.<br />
&#8230;<br />
The speed of processors used in China’s hypersonic weapons programme remains classified, but their performance has been increasing steadily, according to the researchers.</p>
<p>Chinese scientists have used artificial intelligence to address other aspects of hypersonic flight, including engine control and communication. While China has fielded various types of hypersonic weapons, civilian applications of the technology remain challenging.
</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;The Financial Times says that the tested hypersonic glide vehicle missed its target by a couple of dozen miles, but that is hardly reassuring considering the capabilities that are apparently in development here.&#8221; &#8211; thedrive.com</p>
<p>Must not have had the AI installed on the missile that they just tested.</p>
<p>BTW:<br />
The FT story is behind a paywall for me; if our IC was as surprised as the media reported, how did they know what the target was, so that they could figure out it was missed?</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Oct 2021 04:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t see a link to this article here in the thread, and don&#039;t remember how I found it, but there are a few more technical details for those interested. 

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42772/china-tested-a-fractional-orbital-bombardment-system-that-uses-a-hypersonic-glide-vehicle-report]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see a link to this article here in the thread, and don&#8217;t remember how I found it, but there are a few more technical details for those interested. </p>
<p><a href="https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42772/china-tested-a-fractional-orbital-bombardment-system-that-uses-a-hypersonic-glide-vehicle-report" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/42772/china-tested-a-fractional-orbital-bombardment-system-that-uses-a-hypersonic-glide-vehicle-report</a></p>
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		By: Roy		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 20:34:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Financial Times? Really?

I don&#039;t believe **anything** that comes from the legacy media anymore. They have shown over and over that if they don&#039;t know the facts, they will happily make them up out of thin air.

However, that doesn&#039;t mean that I am not concerned about China&#039;s capabilities and intentions - especially with clown-world in charge on our side.

&quot;AManOfTheWest&quot; has a very good synopsis. My experience is similar to his except on the Navy side of things. Have a look at any photo of the latest Chinese SSBN submarine, and then look at a photo of any US &quot;George Washington&quot; class SSBN. Look familiar? The GW class was commissioned over 60 years ago. Yeah, we&#039;ve been doing this sort of thing for a very long time.

Do I think our intelligence services were surprised? I doubt it. I do, however, believe that the reporters at &quot;Financial Times&quot; were surprised.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Financial Times? Really?</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t believe **anything** that comes from the legacy media anymore. They have shown over and over that if they don&#8217;t know the facts, they will happily make them up out of thin air.</p>
<p>However, that doesn&#8217;t mean that I am not concerned about China&#8217;s capabilities and intentions &#8211; especially with clown-world in charge on our side.</p>
<p>&#8220;AManOfTheWest&#8221; has a very good synopsis. My experience is similar to his except on the Navy side of things. Have a look at any photo of the latest Chinese SSBN submarine, and then look at a photo of any US &#8220;George Washington&#8221; class SSBN. Look familiar? The GW class was commissioned over 60 years ago. Yeah, we&#8217;ve been doing this sort of thing for a very long time.</p>
<p>Do I think our intelligence services were surprised? I doubt it. I do, however, believe that the reporters at &#8220;Financial Times&#8221; were surprised.</p>
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		By: Indigo Red		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 17:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[2014. That&#039;s the year China made it known they were developing hypersonic missiles and cruise missiles. Last week&#039;s test flight was the 8th aerial test. 
Oct. 1, 2019. That&#039;s the day China included the DF-17 hypersonic missile in their National Day military parade. The cruise missile tested last week was designated DF-ZF by the Pentagon while it was being designed.
Sep. 20-27, 2021. That is the date of the most recent flight test of the USAF hypersonic cruise missile that also flies suborbital at Mach-5 and is nuclear capable. The US missile has been in development since 2013 by Raytheon Corp in Tucson. 
Dec. 26, 2018. That is the date on which Russia launched their Avangard hypersonic cruise missile over the Ural Mtns to a target in Siberia. At the claimed Mach-27, Avangard covered the 6000 kilometers before it was launched. 

No one was surprised at China&#039;s missile launch, except maybe to say, &quot;What! They launched TODAY? Damn. I lost the pool.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2014. That&#8217;s the year China made it known they were developing hypersonic missiles and cruise missiles. Last week&#8217;s test flight was the 8th aerial test.<br />
Oct. 1, 2019. That&#8217;s the day China included the DF-17 hypersonic missile in their National Day military parade. The cruise missile tested last week was designated DF-ZF by the Pentagon while it was being designed.<br />
Sep. 20-27, 2021. That is the date of the most recent flight test of the USAF hypersonic cruise missile that also flies suborbital at Mach-5 and is nuclear capable. The US missile has been in development since 2013 by Raytheon Corp in Tucson.<br />
Dec. 26, 2018. That is the date on which Russia launched their Avangard hypersonic cruise missile over the Ural Mtns to a target in Siberia. At the claimed Mach-27, Avangard covered the 6000 kilometers before it was launched. </p>
<p>No one was surprised at China&#8217;s missile launch, except maybe to say, &#8220;What! They launched TODAY? Damn. I lost the pool.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 13:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[BTW, that&#039;s quite an entertaining site ye&#039; found yerself there.
Lots of juicy articles.
My favorite (thus far---I&#039;m not sure I have enough time to discover all of its finest fruits) is the COVID-related:
&quot;BLACK LAKE, SASKATCHEWAN FIRST NATION CHILDREN &#038; WOMEN BEING HUNTED! WAKE UP CANADA!&quot;
https://www.bitchute.com/video/2uOYWhVdzbBJ/

(Kinda reminds one of &quot;Atrocity Week&quot;, well, in a way....)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BTW, that&#8217;s quite an entertaining site ye&#8217; found yerself there.<br />
Lots of juicy articles.<br />
My favorite (thus far&#8212;I&#8217;m not sure I have enough time to discover all of its finest fruits) is the COVID-related:<br />
&#8220;BLACK LAKE, SASKATCHEWAN FIRST NATION CHILDREN &amp; WOMEN BEING HUNTED! WAKE UP CANADA!&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.bitchute.com/video/2uOYWhVdzbBJ/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.bitchute.com/video/2uOYWhVdzbBJ/</a></p>
<p>(Kinda reminds one of &#8220;Atrocity Week&#8221;, well, in a way&#8230;.)</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 12:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[No doubt; but Koreans are way too smart to rely on &quot;the authorities&quot;, methinks.
(After the Rodney King-fest, word got around pretty fast).

...and I always thought the &quot;Fugu plan&quot; was repackaged as &quot;Tora, Tora, Tora&quot; (or something)...

...THAT was an interesting link---part fascination, part low comedy... (e.g., did Mao really change his name from &quot;Cohen&quot; to &quot;Zedong&quot;? Curious minds want to know...)

OTOH, there is a book that gets down to the nitty-gritty where the &quot;We-Can-Control-Our-Jews&quot; Japanese are concerned:
https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Jews-Isaiah-Ben-Dasan/dp/B000HA3LEK
(I&#039;m pretty sure I can get it for you wholesale....)

Note, however, that things do get &quot;worse&quot;, perhaps even &quot;hypsersonically&quot; worse (depending of course on one&#039;s fears and obsessions):
https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/china-discovers-talmud-and-the-kabbalah/

(As they say in China, &quot;Oy&quot;... Not just in China, mind you...)

At the end of the day, though, Wikipedia (for once) dishes up some hope in the form of &quot;Safe Fugu&quot; (quite possibly served up with liberal portions of detoxified death caps...for the culinarily adventurous...):
&quot;Researchers have determined that a fugu&#039;s tetrodotoxin comes from eating other animals infested with tetrodotoxin-laden bacteria, to which the fish develops insensitivity over time.[10] As such, efforts have been made in research and aquaculture to allow farmers to produce safe fugu. Farmers now produce poison-free fugu by keeping the fish away from the bacteria; Usuki, a town in ?ita Prefecture, has become known for selling non-poisonous fugu.&quot;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu
(No doubt it doesn&#039;t quite taste the same....)

Le&#039;haim!!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No doubt; but Koreans are way too smart to rely on &#8220;the authorities&#8221;, methinks.<br />
(After the Rodney King-fest, word got around pretty fast).</p>
<p>&#8230;and I always thought the &#8220;Fugu plan&#8221; was repackaged as &#8220;Tora, Tora, Tora&#8221; (or something)&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;THAT was an interesting link&#8212;part fascination, part low comedy&#8230; (e.g., did Mao really change his name from &#8220;Cohen&#8221; to &#8220;Zedong&#8221;? Curious minds want to know&#8230;)</p>
<p>OTOH, there is a book that gets down to the nitty-gritty where the &#8220;We-Can-Control-Our-Jews&#8221; Japanese are concerned:<br />
<a href="https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Jews-Isaiah-Ben-Dasan/dp/B000HA3LEK" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.amazon.com/Japanese-Jews-Isaiah-Ben-Dasan/dp/B000HA3LEK</a><br />
(I&#8217;m pretty sure I can get it for you wholesale&#8230;.)</p>
<p>Note, however, that things do get &#8220;worse&#8221;, perhaps even &#8220;hypsersonically&#8221; worse (depending of course on one&#8217;s fears and obsessions):<br />
<a href="https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/china-discovers-talmud-and-the-kabbalah/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/china-discovers-talmud-and-the-kabbalah/</a></p>
<p>(As they say in China, &#8220;Oy&#8221;&#8230; Not just in China, mind you&#8230;)</p>
<p>At the end of the day, though, Wikipedia (for once) dishes up some hope in the form of &#8220;Safe Fugu&#8221; (quite possibly served up with liberal portions of detoxified death caps&#8230;for the culinarily adventurous&#8230;):<br />
&#8220;Researchers have determined that a fugu&#8217;s tetrodotoxin comes from eating other animals infested with tetrodotoxin-laden bacteria, to which the fish develops insensitivity over time.[10] As such, efforts have been made in research and aquaculture to allow farmers to produce safe fugu. Farmers now produce poison-free fugu by keeping the fish away from the bacteria; Usuki, a town in ?ita Prefecture, has become known for selling non-poisonous fugu.&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugu</a><br />
(No doubt it doesn&#8217;t quite taste the same&#8230;.)</p>
<p>Le&#8217;haim!!</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 12:14:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Barry Meislin:

Nicely played there with the Choson Chosen.

Koreans go a-Briskering. Well they never cease to surprise. I should have thought to google. Those kids are in for a shock when they emigrate and open a bodega in Inglewood and meet their assailant’s pro bono public defender after the first time they get held up or mugged.

Don’t count out the Japanese.

Have I mentioned the Fugu Plan before?

https://www.henrymakow.com/japanese_tried_to_make_deal_wi.html

Who says Japanese Military Intelligence were a bunch of humorless bastards?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Barry Meislin:</p>
<p>Nicely played there with the Choson Chosen.</p>
<p>Koreans go a-Briskering. Well they never cease to surprise. I should have thought to google. Those kids are in for a shock when they emigrate and open a bodega in Inglewood and meet their assailant’s pro bono public defender after the first time they get held up or mugged.</p>
<p>Don’t count out the Japanese.</p>
<p>Have I mentioned the Fugu Plan before?</p>
<p><a href="https://www.henrymakow.com/japanese_tried_to_make_deal_wi.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.henrymakow.com/japanese_tried_to_make_deal_wi.html</a></p>
<p>Who says Japanese Military Intelligence were a bunch of humorless bastards?</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Oct 2021 11:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh, so the CCP has managed, centrally planned so to speak, to bypass all corruption inherent in government and in large organizations, unlike especially, in the USA.  How? Xi!  That Scarecrow needs a brain.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so the CCP has managed, centrally planned so to speak, to bypass all corruption inherent in government and in large organizations, unlike especially, in the USA.  How? Xi!  That Scarecrow needs a brain.</p>
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