@DNW:

Dream Catchers. That’s where it’s at!”

Yeah, LOL. You could install a gazing ball on a wrought iron pedestal, and mount a metal bumblebee with a propeller in its nose, on a spring stake in my front yard, before I’d allow one of those ridiculous things in a breezeway to the garage.

https://youtu.be/z21ETp6K-dE

Dream Catchers. That’s where it’s at!

And slot machines.

But see this from Dr. Sanity – she’s written a book.

To be honest, the reference to Dr Sanity piqued my interest more. She was one of my favorite bloggers and I was surprised and saddened when she suddenly, as she put it, “went dark.” No explanation as to why, though we were entering an era where tolerance for opposing opinions was raising it’s ugly head and she simply didn’t want to expose herself to it.

Sad because I’ll say she was one of the most insightful and intelligent writers I’d encountered. Kept checking back hoping it was only a temporary hiatus, but eventually had to accept it was permanent. Still return to her blog periodically to reread some of her posts.

LOL That would be good. Or read about the Maya kings piercing their genitals in order to bleed in some ritual, or about the cannibalism, or about the recent research confirming historic accounts of massive Aztec human sacrifice ( as if anyone doubte) or read about the life-ways of the Apache, an invasive Athabaskan race, that made raiding the basis of their economy, I think it is fair to say ( and historians do.) Or read about the cannibalism ritual and otherwise … Did I mention that? And speaking of cannibalism, how about that Issac Jogues, escaping captivity with the loss of only parts of his fingers which were chimp chewed off, as was apparently a practice of the Iroquois women with captives.

But yeah, lots of nice beadwork and shit. And potatoes; and corn of course. They call it “maize”, by the way.

Might not have been bad people, many of them, if they were not so infernally savage. No doubt that is why Jesuits like Jogues thought that they had souls worth saving and tried to tell them about it. As we see though, you run across the wrong party and there is no reasoning with them, and no escape from their unreason if they can help it. They just start shouting and chewing.

Copperdawg on October 12, 2021 at 8:51 pm said:

More confushion….you are an online bully. Satisfied? What I said is measured and substantive. Your comments: drivel and like I said, ad hominem snark. Bully much? You are expert at cut/paste. Bravo”

So, I and others make statements about the question at hand, and you attack us instead of addressing the issue.

I respond, and you become even more vitriolic and more personally abusive; saying that you have neither the obligation nor the intention to address the issues raised.

I then hold a mirror in the form of your own words up to your face, and you call the ugly image you are forced to confront, bullying.

Is this what you are reduced to when your attacks redound upon your own head, Direct descendant of Dena’ina Athabaskan people … proud great granddaughter of YUQ’ HDNIL’ANEN … ?

I’m not your friend. I don’t owe you anything – certainly not indulgence.

Grow up.

Neo, if you are reading this. This will be my last reply to Direct descendant of Dena’ina Athabaskan people … proud great blah blah blah

“As a direct descendant of Dena’ina Athabaskan people that made first contact with Captain James Cook in Alaska; the newly minted Indigenous People’s Day really brings out the not-so-closeted bigots- that in their rush to NOT idealize or romanticize describe them (us) as Stone Age barbarians, use overgeneralized labels, reference an example of a non-sober Native….

I suspect what I’ve always perceived here at this blog…mostly Caucasian folk; some bigots namely Z, but a host of others on this thread- with the height of arrogance and ignorance on full display.

I find the historical ill-informed narrow, cherry-picked “scholarly” articles bandied about, well, pathetic. This newly claimed October 11th revamp is for me personally an acknowledgment, celebration and honor for the many and varied Native people of North America.

The vigorous denouncement here demonstrates that shallow ill-informed “debate/ discussion” cannot transcend patently idiotic dogmatic tripe regarding North American Native Americans. Not even a little bit a snowflake but the proud great granddaughter of YUQ’ HDNIL’ANEN. Pride in heritage trumps sloppy jingoistic blather nonsense….

Emotionalism? How patronizing. I speak for myself.

I don’t feel required to defend; legitimatize; compare or support any tribal groups expressions of their culture.

I currently live in Albuquerque where there are 23 distinctive Native groups (in New Mexico). So some of my awareness and experience of SW Natives is subjective How could I, or would I be compelled to analyze degrees of aggressive and/or pacific orientations? How is that remotely relevant to the creation or legitimacy of Indigenous People’s Day? … While pondering this concept is perhaps of some merit to some-it is a stinkin’ red herring. Also grammatically I am not a pronoun “himself”

… DNW but yer posts r pure gibberish.

You seem to think you cornered me with your clever sophistry and I somehow conceded to your masterful “logic”. …

… I do not purport expertise or academic qualifications to support my POV…. I do NOT need to.

[I] Feel zero responsibility to cite defenses of my views on anything Native

Buzz off condescending doofus. Your snark is repugnant—ad hominem; still ignorant as piss”

Sometimes letting people speak for themselves, says it all; even if what it says is not what they think it says.