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		By: Bryan Lovely		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/02/open-thread-10-2-21/#comment-2580605</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 19:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;The censorship, by Facebook in particular, has taken a heavy toll on the management, staff, and contributors.&lt;/i&gt;

And today Facebook and subsidiaries like Instagram are mysteriously knocked off the internet.

https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/4/22708989/instagram-facebook-outage-messenger-whatsapp-error

Coincidence? You be the judge. ;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>The censorship, by Facebook in particular, has taken a heavy toll on the management, staff, and contributors.</i></p>
<p>And today Facebook and subsidiaries like Instagram are mysteriously knocked off the internet.</p>
<p><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/4/22708989/instagram-facebook-outage-messenger-whatsapp-error" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.theverge.com/2021/10/4/22708989/instagram-facebook-outage-messenger-whatsapp-error</a></p>
<p>Coincidence? You be the judge. 😉</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/02/open-thread-10-2-21/#comment-2580549</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 10:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...the key to unwinding the whole ball of string....&quot;

AF,
Thanks very much for that.
The closure of LU is a severe blow.
Dyer&#039;s analysis (thus far) is astonishing (but nothing ought to surprise WRT these gangsters).

Time to haul out Susan Rice&#039;s famous memo to self?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;the key to unwinding the whole ball of string&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>AF,<br />
Thanks very much for that.<br />
The closure of LU is a severe blow.<br />
Dyer&#8217;s analysis (thus far) is astonishing (but nothing ought to surprise WRT these gangsters).</p>
<p>Time to haul out Susan Rice&#8217;s famous memo to self?</p>
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		By: JimNorCaj		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/02/open-thread-10-2-21/#comment-2580541</link>

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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 10:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Sad to see that Liberty Unyielding ... yielded]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sad to see that Liberty Unyielding &#8230; yielded</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/02/open-thread-10-2-21/#comment-2580528</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[One last post from Dyer, a teaser for a longer post she will put up at her own blog - with something new on the case.
https://libertyunyielding.com/2021/10/03/the-sussmann-indictment-and-the-alfa-bank-saga-a-preview-of-coming-attractions/

&lt;blockquote&gt;My principal assessment from a survey of current and past analyses, including my own, is that the Sussmann indictment, which functions as a sort of “Durham report” to date in laying out the potential elements of a conspiracy, effectively fingers the Alfa Bank subplot as an intentional conspiracy, and suggests it’s the key to unwinding the whole ball of string.

The timing of three core events in the Alfa Bank plotline, in 2016 and 2017, reinforces this deduction.  There is also a connection with a much more recent event.

&lt;b&gt;The recent event is the eye-catching shift of millions of IP addresses from control by the Pentagon to a tiny, no-background company in Boca Raton, on 20 January 2021, three minutes before Trump’s term ended.  Those same IP addresses shifted from the Florida company back to the Pentagon on 7 September 2021, shortly before Durham’s indictment of Michael Sussmann was filed.&lt;/b&gt;

The connection with the Alfa Bank subplot is through people, not through cyber evidence or other collateral clues.  The proprietor of the small Florida company, Raymond Saulino of Global Resource Systems, LLC, is a long-time associate of a tech expert – Robert Joffe – who is probably “Tech Executive-1” from the Sussmann indictment.  (Sussmann represented Joffe during the timeframe covered by the indictment.)

Indeed, Joffe was interviewed by media about Saulino back in April 2021, when the mainstream media became aware of the IP address shift in January.

But it appears to me that the IP address shift itself is relevant to the parade of facts, connections, and methods that make up the working story of Spygate and Russiagate.  I can’t tell how much Durham already sees, but it looks likely to me that, as Durham’s work unfolds, we haven’t seen the last of the Pentagon IP addresses.  Their exploitation is a method, as an opportunity in cyberspace, that hasn’t previously been considered in the general-public treatments of Spygate, as they relate to Trump and his associates, the 2016 election, Russia, Hillary Clinton, or any other element.

If there was a group of so-called “Concerned Nerds” (the going-in proposition of the Alfa Bank-Trump narrative, retailed by the media in 2016), and they included both Joffe and Saulino, we can bet that the Concerned Nerds were well aware of the situation of the Pentagon IP addresses in 2016.  Someone they were doing work for probably was as well.  More on that in the article to come.

As for the core events in the Alfa Bank timeline, they occurred in March 2016, May 2016, and February-March 2017.  The remarkable interest of each of these passages lies in their overlay with the other things going on in Spygate/Russiagate.

What becomes clear with the overlay and the hindsight is that none of this could have been a coincidence.  
...
As I will argue in the article, “coincidences are exactly what cue law enforcement to investigate the hypothesis of a conspiracy.  The material events of a conspiracy are rarely the first things identified as a conspiracy.  It’s common motives, common timing, and common knowledge, often perceived at first as circumstantial, that cause investigators to suspect a conspiracy.”
...
&lt;b&gt;The Alfa Bank subplot looks less and less like it was an exploitation (by Hillary and the DNC) of a coincidence involving DNS lookups between servers.  It looks more, in fact, like something concocted by planners, at the same time other elements of Spygate were being concocted.&lt;/b&gt;

The Pentagon IP addresses, in hindsight, might have served in 2016 as a method of work in the common enterprise, like the actions undertaken through other federal agencies – not directly by the Hillary campaign – mentioned above.

I look forward to interested readers joining me at the Optimistic Conservative for the full-length discussion, which should be posted by Tuesday 5 October at the latest.  Until then, farewell and Godspeed from the Liberty Unyielding outpost.

Let freedom ring.
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One last post from Dyer, a teaser for a longer post she will put up at her own blog &#8211; with something new on the case.<br />
<a href="https://libertyunyielding.com/2021/10/03/the-sussmann-indictment-and-the-alfa-bank-saga-a-preview-of-coming-attractions/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://libertyunyielding.com/2021/10/03/the-sussmann-indictment-and-the-alfa-bank-saga-a-preview-of-coming-attractions/</a></p>
<blockquote><p>My principal assessment from a survey of current and past analyses, including my own, is that the Sussmann indictment, which functions as a sort of “Durham report” to date in laying out the potential elements of a conspiracy, effectively fingers the Alfa Bank subplot as an intentional conspiracy, and suggests it’s the key to unwinding the whole ball of string.</p>
<p>The timing of three core events in the Alfa Bank plotline, in 2016 and 2017, reinforces this deduction.  There is also a connection with a much more recent event.</p>
<p><b>The recent event is the eye-catching shift of millions of IP addresses from control by the Pentagon to a tiny, no-background company in Boca Raton, on 20 January 2021, three minutes before Trump’s term ended.  Those same IP addresses shifted from the Florida company back to the Pentagon on 7 September 2021, shortly before Durham’s indictment of Michael Sussmann was filed.</b></p>
<p>The connection with the Alfa Bank subplot is through people, not through cyber evidence or other collateral clues.  The proprietor of the small Florida company, Raymond Saulino of Global Resource Systems, LLC, is a long-time associate of a tech expert – Robert Joffe – who is probably “Tech Executive-1” from the Sussmann indictment.  (Sussmann represented Joffe during the timeframe covered by the indictment.)</p>
<p>Indeed, Joffe was interviewed by media about Saulino back in April 2021, when the mainstream media became aware of the IP address shift in January.</p>
<p>But it appears to me that the IP address shift itself is relevant to the parade of facts, connections, and methods that make up the working story of Spygate and Russiagate.  I can’t tell how much Durham already sees, but it looks likely to me that, as Durham’s work unfolds, we haven’t seen the last of the Pentagon IP addresses.  Their exploitation is a method, as an opportunity in cyberspace, that hasn’t previously been considered in the general-public treatments of Spygate, as they relate to Trump and his associates, the 2016 election, Russia, Hillary Clinton, or any other element.</p>
<p>If there was a group of so-called “Concerned Nerds” (the going-in proposition of the Alfa Bank-Trump narrative, retailed by the media in 2016), and they included both Joffe and Saulino, we can bet that the Concerned Nerds were well aware of the situation of the Pentagon IP addresses in 2016.  Someone they were doing work for probably was as well.  More on that in the article to come.</p>
<p>As for the core events in the Alfa Bank timeline, they occurred in March 2016, May 2016, and February-March 2017.  The remarkable interest of each of these passages lies in their overlay with the other things going on in Spygate/Russiagate.</p>
<p>What becomes clear with the overlay and the hindsight is that none of this could have been a coincidence.<br />
&#8230;<br />
As I will argue in the article, “coincidences are exactly what cue law enforcement to investigate the hypothesis of a conspiracy.  The material events of a conspiracy are rarely the first things identified as a conspiracy.  It’s common motives, common timing, and common knowledge, often perceived at first as circumstantial, that cause investigators to suspect a conspiracy.”<br />
&#8230;<br />
<b>The Alfa Bank subplot looks less and less like it was an exploitation (by Hillary and the DNC) of a coincidence involving DNS lookups between servers.  It looks more, in fact, like something concocted by planners, at the same time other elements of Spygate were being concocted.</b></p>
<p>The Pentagon IP addresses, in hindsight, might have served in 2016 as a method of work in the common enterprise, like the actions undertaken through other federal agencies – not directly by the Hillary campaign – mentioned above.</p>
<p>I look forward to interested readers joining me at the Optimistic Conservative for the full-length discussion, which should be posted by Tuesday 5 October at the latest.  Until then, farewell and Godspeed from the Liberty Unyielding outpost.</p>
<p>Let freedom ring.
</p></blockquote>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:21:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I post a lot of articles from J E Dyer at Liberty Unyielding - won&#039;t be doing that anymore.

https://libertyunyielding.com/2021/09/30/notice-to-readers/
&quot;It is with a heavy heart that we write to inform readers that in several days, Liberty Unyielding, as they know it, will cease publication.

Our chief reason for pulling up stakes after eight years is Big Tech. The censorship, by Facebook in particular, has taken a heavy toll on the management, staff, and contributors. It has also adversely affected our revenues.

We have dropped hints of our plight from time to time in posts such as this one from last July on the depths of depravity to which some of our electronic jailers have descended.

The official last day of the site in its current incarnation will be Sunday Oct. 3. The comments section will remain up for several days after, then we will be shutting that down as well.&quot;

Sad.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I post a lot of articles from J E Dyer at Liberty Unyielding &#8211; won&#8217;t be doing that anymore.</p>
<p><a href="https://libertyunyielding.com/2021/09/30/notice-to-readers/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://libertyunyielding.com/2021/09/30/notice-to-readers/</a><br />
&#8220;It is with a heavy heart that we write to inform readers that in several days, Liberty Unyielding, as they know it, will cease publication.</p>
<p>Our chief reason for pulling up stakes after eight years is Big Tech. The censorship, by Facebook in particular, has taken a heavy toll on the management, staff, and contributors. It has also adversely affected our revenues.</p>
<p>We have dropped hints of our plight from time to time in posts such as this one from last July on the depths of depravity to which some of our electronic jailers have descended.</p>
<p>The official last day of the site in its current incarnation will be Sunday Oct. 3. The comments section will remain up for several days after, then we will be shutting that down as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sad.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/02/open-thread-10-2-21/#comment-2580525</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems appropriate in a lot of contexts lately.
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1444650429267185666
Dr Jordan B Peterson
@jordanbpeterson
How about &quot;my rights will not be made subject to your emergency&quot;?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems appropriate in a lot of contexts lately.<br />
<a href="https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1444650429267185666" rel="nofollow ugc">https://twitter.com/jordanbpeterson/status/1444650429267185666</a><br />
Dr Jordan B Peterson<br />
@jordanbpeterson<br />
How about &#8220;my rights will not be made subject to your emergency&#8221;?</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/02/open-thread-10-2-21/#comment-2580524</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Another China Covid Regime Datapoint:

https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3151009/coronavirus-hong-kong-was-told-learn-macaus-model

Macau is much more converged than Hong Kong and does things much more the PRC way… e.g. no colour-coded 2D Barcodes in Hong Kong to date.

But I think the description in the article of quarantine and testing measures being used in Macau could stand in as a reasonable proxy for those in force in China.

Here’s Macau’s Covid Report Card:

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-macao-sar/

Population 660K. Covid Cases to Date: 72. Deaths: 0.

Historical Side Note: Macau’s Gleichschaltung began back in 1966 during the Cultural Revolution when Red Guards from across the fence literally overran the joint and rectified the Portuguese who weren’t the most switched on guys at the best of time. After that there was never any doubt about who really called the shots regardless of which uniforms were being worn or which flags were flying. Things went a bit differently in Hong Kong for a bunch of reasons.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another China Covid Regime Datapoint:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3151009/coronavirus-hong-kong-was-told-learn-macaus-model" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/health-environment/article/3151009/coronavirus-hong-kong-was-told-learn-macaus-model</a></p>
<p>Macau is much more converged than Hong Kong and does things much more the PRC way… e.g. no colour-coded 2D Barcodes in Hong Kong to date.</p>
<p>But I think the description in the article of quarantine and testing measures being used in Macau could stand in as a reasonable proxy for those in force in China.</p>
<p>Here’s Macau’s Covid Report Card:</p>
<p><a href="https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-macao-sar/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/china-macao-sar/</a></p>
<p>Population 660K. Covid Cases to Date: 72. Deaths: 0.</p>
<p>Historical Side Note: Macau’s Gleichschaltung began back in 1966 during the Cultural Revolution when Red Guards from across the fence literally overran the joint and rectified the Portuguese who weren’t the most switched on guys at the best of time. After that there was never any doubt about who really called the shots regardless of which uniforms were being worn or which flags were flying. Things went a bit differently in Hong Kong for a bunch of reasons.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 05:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@AesopFan:

So you shouldn&#039;t have too much trouble with this riddle:

Straniero, ascolta!
“Nella cupa notte
vola un fantasma iridescente.
Sale e dispiega l’ale
sulla nera infinita umanità!
Tutto il mondo l’invoca
e tutto il mondo l’implora!
ma il fantasma sparisce con l’aurora
per rinascere nel cuore!
ed ogni notte nasce
ed ogni giorno muore!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@AesopFan:</p>
<p>So you shouldn&#8217;t have too much trouble with this riddle:</p>
<p>Straniero, ascolta!<br />
“Nella cupa notte<br />
vola un fantasma iridescente.<br />
Sale e dispiega l’ale<br />
sulla nera infinita umanità!<br />
Tutto il mondo l’invoca<br />
e tutto il mondo l’implora!<br />
ma il fantasma sparisce con l’aurora<br />
per rinascere nel cuore!<br />
ed ogni notte nasce<br />
ed ogni giorno muore!</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 05:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Comes with obligatory e e cummings namedrop and totally neglects to mention Archy!

http://www.donmarquis.org/archy.htm]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comes with obligatory e e cummings namedrop and totally neglects to mention Archy!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.donmarquis.org/archy.htm" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.donmarquis.org/archy.htm</a></p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/02/open-thread-10-2-21/#comment-2580509</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 05:14:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JimNorCal - fascinating pictures of the Dutch greenhouses.
In the context of your comment, the aphorism on Hegen&#039;s website is rather ominous: &quot;LASCIATE OGNI SPERANZA O VOI CHE ENTRATE&quot;
(divine comedy, dante alighieri)

He seems to be of the &#039;ban capitals&#039; school that we&#039;ve heard of lately.
https://redstate.com/alexparker/2021/09/12/down-with-capitalism-professor-pummels-oppression-by-shafting-the-shift-key-n441798

The phrase is one of the few I can still quote from my one semester of college Italian, as it seemed appropriate for some of my more stringent STEM classrooms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JimNorCal &#8211; fascinating pictures of the Dutch greenhouses.<br />
In the context of your comment, the aphorism on Hegen&#8217;s website is rather ominous: &#8220;LASCIATE OGNI SPERANZA O VOI CHE ENTRATE&#8221;<br />
(divine comedy, dante alighieri)</p>
<p>He seems to be of the &#8216;ban capitals&#8217; school that we&#8217;ve heard of lately.<br />
<a href="https://redstate.com/alexparker/2021/09/12/down-with-capitalism-professor-pummels-oppression-by-shafting-the-shift-key-n441798" rel="nofollow ugc">https://redstate.com/alexparker/2021/09/12/down-with-capitalism-professor-pummels-oppression-by-shafting-the-shift-key-n441798</a></p>
<p>The phrase is one of the few I can still quote from my one semester of college Italian, as it seemed appropriate for some of my more stringent STEM classrooms.</p>
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