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		By: AesopFan		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/02/glenn-loury-on-race-and-a-host-of-other-things/#comment-2580709</link>

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		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2021 01:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ Molly Brown &#062; &quot;Interesting that before fakebook shut it down, there were a number of ‘yoga teachers’ who posted on the Walkaway page. The same expression came up repeatedly in these posts; ‘This is a great spiritual battle.’&quot;

Also interesting that FB (and the rest of the Techquisition) believes that shutting people out of the Swamp&#039;s internet sandbox somehow means they either disappear (back into the Holodeck computer, perhaps?) or revert to their prior ideological worldview despite just having Walked Away from it.

I suspect quite a few of them are among the identity-renegades voting for Trump.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Molly Brown &gt; &#8220;Interesting that before fakebook shut it down, there were a number of ‘yoga teachers’ who posted on the Walkaway page. The same expression came up repeatedly in these posts; ‘This is a great spiritual battle.’&#8221;</p>
<p>Also interesting that FB (and the rest of the Techquisition) believes that shutting people out of the Swamp&#8217;s internet sandbox somehow means they either disappear (back into the Holodeck computer, perhaps?) or revert to their prior ideological worldview despite just having Walked Away from it.</p>
<p>I suspect quite a few of them are among the identity-renegades voting for Trump.</p>
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		By: John Guilfoyle		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/10/02/glenn-loury-on-race-and-a-host-of-other-things/#comment-2580599</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Guilfoyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 18:44:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GB --- And after a good night&#039;s sleep...let me add to my stumbling thoughts on the question of faith vis-a-vis &quot;identity.&quot;

Since the Civil Rights Era in the US...I&#039;d argue the vast majority of white people tried desperately to live toward the vision of &quot;content of character not color of skin&quot; when dealing with others. It seems that non-whites were, on the other hand, encouraged (mostly by white leftists &#038; black grifting race hustlers) to see race as &quot;the&quot; defining marker of identity. (Sex tribalists act similarly now...where one&#039;s sexual identity is the &quot;uber alles&quot; thing...another similar discussion could be had there)

The very essence of Christian faith involves a transformed identity (John 1:12-13) that transcends the historical accidents of birth (race, nationality, class, sex etc...). If one insists on seeing their identity as something other than &quot;child of God,&quot; one never escapes the perpetual rat&#039;s wheel rut of self-justification &#038; tribal competition.
Thank you again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB &#8212; And after a good night&#8217;s sleep&#8230;let me add to my stumbling thoughts on the question of faith vis-a-vis &#8220;identity.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since the Civil Rights Era in the US&#8230;I&#8217;d argue the vast majority of white people tried desperately to live toward the vision of &#8220;content of character not color of skin&#8221; when dealing with others. It seems that non-whites were, on the other hand, encouraged (mostly by white leftists &amp; black grifting race hustlers) to see race as &#8220;the&#8221; defining marker of identity. (Sex tribalists act similarly now&#8230;where one&#8217;s sexual identity is the &#8220;uber alles&#8221; thing&#8230;another similar discussion could be had there)</p>
<p>The very essence of Christian faith involves a transformed identity (John 1:12-13) that transcends the historical accidents of birth (race, nationality, class, sex etc&#8230;). If one insists on seeing their identity as something other than &#8220;child of God,&#8221; one never escapes the perpetual rat&#8217;s wheel rut of self-justification &amp; tribal competition.<br />
Thank you again.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 13:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;...host of other things...&quot;

Looks like Taiwan may well have decided that &quot;Biden&quot; is, um, less than reliable.
(And justifiably so.)

In that case who&#039;s left?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/taiwan-informs-australia-its-preparing-war-china-sends-record-52-pla-jets-toward

(Oz? Well...maybe Taipei is really impressed by those lockdowns...)

Related?
https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/next-lehman-moment-will-china-try-create-dangerous-diversion]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;host of other things&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Looks like Taiwan may well have decided that &#8220;Biden&#8221; is, um, less than reliable.<br />
(And justifiably so.)</p>
<p>In that case who&#8217;s left?<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/taiwan-informs-australia-its-preparing-war-china-sends-record-52-pla-jets-toward" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/taiwan-informs-australia-its-preparing-war-china-sends-record-52-pla-jets-toward</a></p>
<p>(Oz? Well&#8230;maybe Taipei is really impressed by those lockdowns&#8230;)</p>
<p>Related?<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/next-lehman-moment-will-china-try-create-dangerous-diversion" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/next-lehman-moment-will-china-try-create-dangerous-diversion</a></p>
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		By: John Guilfoyle		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Guilfoyle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 09:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[GB - you &#038; I don&#039;t really disagree. And I&#039;m appreciative of your correctives.
While education is certainly part of &quot;taking responsibility for one&#039;s life&quot; I&#039;d say that education is not an end in itself. We&#039;re familiar with educated idiots &#038; educated fascists who happen to hold the levers of power at the moment in many places. So...to educatio I would also add vocatio or a sense of purposefulness &#038; usefulness (calling) to one&#039;s living. Dr Williams&#039; admonition fits well here. 

I separate &quot;devotion to family&quot; out as a single piece because fatherlessness is a bellwether for all manner of social &#038; spiritual ills. That it is the norm not the exception for black families in the 21st century and that few black cultural role models are making that a centrepiece of their trend-setting...I depressed myself when I &quot;ran the numbers&quot; on black athletes with the most children from the most &quot;baby-mommas.&quot; But it&#039;s not just the hyper-millionaires with bad hair &#038; goofy tats, it&#039;s endemic and getting worse.

Was it Kotter who also suggested a &quot;purpose larger than one&#039;s own life&quot; was necessary if one is to find fulfilment? That to me is where Christian faith becomes an essential. I&#039;d argue it is the foundational worldview that brought Western civilisation to the fore. It set the stage for the historical advancements we enjoy to this day (although sadly we are losing much to the secularists). This world can&#039;t just be about me &#038; mine...MollyBrown above notes, &quot;This distain of faith is the great failing of the ‘educated class’.&quot;

If &quot;they won&#039;t even go there,&quot; well...then I guess things just get worse until they get really bad. And we&#039;ve agreed on that too before. Pax.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GB &#8211; you &amp; I don&#8217;t really disagree. And I&#8217;m appreciative of your correctives.<br />
While education is certainly part of &#8220;taking responsibility for one&#8217;s life&#8221; I&#8217;d say that education is not an end in itself. We&#8217;re familiar with educated idiots &amp; educated fascists who happen to hold the levers of power at the moment in many places. So&#8230;to educatio I would also add vocatio or a sense of purposefulness &amp; usefulness (calling) to one&#8217;s living. Dr Williams&#8217; admonition fits well here. </p>
<p>I separate &#8220;devotion to family&#8221; out as a single piece because fatherlessness is a bellwether for all manner of social &amp; spiritual ills. That it is the norm not the exception for black families in the 21st century and that few black cultural role models are making that a centrepiece of their trend-setting&#8230;I depressed myself when I &#8220;ran the numbers&#8221; on black athletes with the most children from the most &#8220;baby-mommas.&#8221; But it&#8217;s not just the hyper-millionaires with bad hair &amp; goofy tats, it&#8217;s endemic and getting worse.</p>
<p>Was it Kotter who also suggested a &#8220;purpose larger than one&#8217;s own life&#8221; was necessary if one is to find fulfilment? That to me is where Christian faith becomes an essential. I&#8217;d argue it is the foundational worldview that brought Western civilisation to the fore. It set the stage for the historical advancements we enjoy to this day (although sadly we are losing much to the secularists). This world can&#8217;t just be about me &amp; mine&#8230;MollyBrown above notes, &#8220;This distain of faith is the great failing of the ‘educated class’.&#8221;</p>
<p>If &#8220;they won&#8217;t even go there,&#8221; well&#8230;then I guess things just get worse until they get really bad. And we&#8217;ve agreed on that too before. Pax.</p>
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		By: Molly+Brown		</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 07:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m not surprised to hear McWhorter bailed out of Substack and went with the NYTimes.  Their readership is the class he identifies with. 
I read his series about &#039;The Elect&#039; on Substack and was struck by his committed secularism.  He knows that something is very wrong - and even understands some of the mechanics of it - but he&#039;s trapped in that worldview and absent a road to Damascus moment he&#039;ll never find his way out.  The very nomenclature he used - The Elect - to describe the problem is an assignation of the problem to, and a rejection of, faith.
This distain of faith is the great failing of the &#039;educated class&#039;.  Their Achilles heel.  They can&#039;t even go there.
Interesting that before fakebook shut it down, there were a number of &#039;yoga teachers&#039; who posted on the Walkaway page.  The same expression came up repeatedly in these posts; &#039;This is a great spiritual battle.&#039;
They have way more understanding of what we are dealing with than those NYTimes folk.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not surprised to hear McWhorter bailed out of Substack and went with the NYTimes.  Their readership is the class he identifies with.<br />
I read his series about &#8216;The Elect&#8217; on Substack and was struck by his committed secularism.  He knows that something is very wrong &#8211; and even understands some of the mechanics of it &#8211; but he&#8217;s trapped in that worldview and absent a road to Damascus moment he&#8217;ll never find his way out.  The very nomenclature he used &#8211; The Elect &#8211; to describe the problem is an assignation of the problem to, and a rejection of, faith.<br />
This distain of faith is the great failing of the &#8216;educated class&#8217;.  Their Achilles heel.  They can&#8217;t even go there.<br />
Interesting that before fakebook shut it down, there were a number of &#8216;yoga teachers&#8217; who posted on the Walkaway page.  The same expression came up repeatedly in these posts; &#8216;This is a great spiritual battle.&#8217;<br />
They have way more understanding of what we are dealing with than those NYTimes folk.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 05:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[^^^ Only Whites are not permitted Freedom of Association. We are by all accounts the most terrible of all peoples, but strangely enough everybody else wants to barge in on our things when it suits them and exclude us when it doesn&#039;t suit them.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^^^ Only Whites are not permitted Freedom of Association. We are by all accounts the most terrible of all peoples, but strangely enough everybody else wants to barge in on our things when it suits them and exclude us when it doesn&#8217;t suit them.</p>
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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AesopFan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2021 05:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems apropos of the topic.

https://notthebee.com/article/western-washington-university-has-created-segregated-housing-for-black-students-and-can-someone-please-explain-to-me-how-this-is-considered-progress]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems apropos of the topic.</p>
<p><a href="https://notthebee.com/article/western-washington-university-has-created-segregated-housing-for-black-students-and-can-someone-please-explain-to-me-how-this-is-considered-progress" rel="nofollow ugc">https://notthebee.com/article/western-washington-university-has-created-segregated-housing-for-black-students-and-can-someone-please-explain-to-me-how-this-is-considered-progress</a></p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2021 22:33:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[“Complete high school; get a job, any kind of a job; get married before having children; and be a law-abiding citizen. Among both black and white Americans so described, the poverty rate is in the single digits.” 

Used to be less than 1% of those who 1) simply finished HS, 2) waited to be married before kids and 3) waited until 18 to have kids.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Complete high school; get a job, any kind of a job; get married before having children; and be a law-abiding citizen. Among both black and white Americans so described, the poverty rate is in the single digits.” </p>
<p>Used to be less than 1% of those who 1) simply finished HS, 2) waited to be married before kids and 3) waited until 18 to have kids.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2021 21:25:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[John Guilfoyle, 

You label as &quot;weak sauce&quot; Loury&#039;s prescription of &lt;i&gt;&quot;self-determination and taking responsibility for our lives. I’d say education.”&lt;/i&gt; 

You then stated that, &lt;i&gt;&quot;if a black person wanted to capture my attention and unwavering support, they’d start using the language of “devotion to family, the Christian faith &#038; the future.”&lt;/i&gt; 

Is not &quot;devotion to family&quot; part of &quot;taking responsibility for our lives&quot; as, can one take responsibility for our lives without accepting familial responsibilities? 

Unfortunately, &quot;Christian faith&quot; is a non-starter for the secularly inclined. &lt;i&gt;&quot;To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. &lt;b&gt;To one without faith, no explanation is possible&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; Thomas Aquinas 

BTW, IMO the great barrier to faith in people is an inability to fully trust. Secularists tend to be mistrustful of strangers. The more hostile to faith, the more likely to tell themselves faith is but a childish need for a daddy and mommy. 

You may recall Christ&#039;s admonition that, &lt;i&gt;“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; (New International Version) 

It&#039;s all about trust because our virus* infected &#039;operating system&#039; cannot be cleansed without our ego allowing a &quot;higher power&quot; to intervene. God may not be a &quot;respecter of persons&quot; but he will not force conversion upon us. 
* otherwise known as &quot;original sin&quot; i.e. the knowledge of good and evil without the ability to perfectly discern between the two 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, &lt;b&gt;and open the door&lt;/b&gt;, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; KJB Rev. 3:20 [my emphasis]

And I think it likely you&#039;ll agree that the best assurance for a prosperous future for most blacks is Loury&#039;s admonition to obtain a solid education. And &#039;education&#039; includes learning a needed skill. Plumbers do alright. 

I know of no more succinct path for black success than Walter Williams&#039; &lt;i&gt;Roadmap Out of Poverty&lt;/i&gt;: &lt;b&gt;&quot;Complete high school; get a job, any kind of a job; get married before having children; and be a law-abiding citizen. Among both black and white Americans so described, the poverty rate is in the single digits.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; Walter E. Williams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Guilfoyle, </p>
<p>You label as &#8220;weak sauce&#8221; Loury&#8217;s prescription of <i>&#8220;self-determination and taking responsibility for our lives. I’d say education.”</i> </p>
<p>You then stated that, <i>&#8220;if a black person wanted to capture my attention and unwavering support, they’d start using the language of “devotion to family, the Christian faith &amp; the future.”</i> </p>
<p>Is not &#8220;devotion to family&#8221; part of &#8220;taking responsibility for our lives&#8221; as, can one take responsibility for our lives without accepting familial responsibilities? </p>
<p>Unfortunately, &#8220;Christian faith&#8221; is a non-starter for the secularly inclined. <i>&#8220;To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. <b>To one without faith, no explanation is possible</b>.&#8221;</i> Thomas Aquinas </p>
<p>BTW, IMO the great barrier to faith in people is an inability to fully trust. Secularists tend to be mistrustful of strangers. The more hostile to faith, the more likely to tell themselves faith is but a childish need for a daddy and mommy. </p>
<p>You may recall Christ&#8217;s admonition that, <i>“Truly I tell you, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.&#8221;</i> (New International Version) </p>
<p>It&#8217;s all about trust because our virus* infected &#8216;operating system&#8217; cannot be cleansed without our ego allowing a &#8220;higher power&#8221; to intervene. God may not be a &#8220;respecter of persons&#8221; but he will not force conversion upon us.<br />
* otherwise known as &#8220;original sin&#8221; i.e. the knowledge of good and evil without the ability to perfectly discern between the two </p>
<p><i>&#8220;Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, <b>and open the door</b>, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.&#8221;</i> KJB Rev. 3:20 [my emphasis]</p>
<p>And I think it likely you&#8217;ll agree that the best assurance for a prosperous future for most blacks is Loury&#8217;s admonition to obtain a solid education. And &#8216;education&#8217; includes learning a needed skill. Plumbers do alright. </p>
<p>I know of no more succinct path for black success than Walter Williams&#8217; <i>Roadmap Out of Poverty</i>: <b>&#8220;Complete high school; get a job, any kind of a job; get married before having children; and be a law-abiding citizen. Among both black and white Americans so described, the poverty rate is in the single digits.&#8221;</b> Walter E. Williams.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2021 20:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Art Deco:

By the way, &lt;a href=&quot;https://www.tsowell.com/writings.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow ugc&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a list of Sowell&#039;s writings&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco:</p>
<p>By the way, <a href="https://www.tsowell.com/writings.html" rel="nofollow ugc">here&#8217;s a list of Sowell&#8217;s writings</a>.</p>
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