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		By: Mike K		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 17:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that the honesty and integrity of Republicans is only marginally better then most Democrats.  The Clintons and Pelosi are off the scale, of course.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the honesty and integrity of Republicans is only marginally better then most Democrats.  The Clintons and Pelosi are off the scale, of course.</p>
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		By: Cornhead		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Cornhead]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 16:57:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are the bravest politicians in America.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Manchin and Kyrsten Sinema are the bravest politicians in America.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 12:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Reports this morning are that Pelosi will not call the vote on the (smaller) infrastructure bill; she doesn&#039;t have the votes. Also, Manchin says he won&#039;t vote for the &quot;reconciliation&quot; bill at any price tag if it doesn&#039;t have the Hyde Amendment preventing government funding of elective abortions.

It&#039;s nice to think of Pelosi&#039;s angst; she deserves it. But she usually succeeds, so we&#039;ll see.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reports this morning are that Pelosi will not call the vote on the (smaller) infrastructure bill; she doesn&#8217;t have the votes. Also, Manchin says he won&#8217;t vote for the &#8220;reconciliation&#8221; bill at any price tag if it doesn&#8217;t have the Hyde Amendment preventing government funding of elective abortions.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s nice to think of Pelosi&#8217;s angst; she deserves it. But she usually succeeds, so we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 09:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Time to learn a little (more) Russian, perhaps.
(They have lots of experience in certain areas....)

From the people who brought us such useful---even invaluable---words as vodka, caviar, da, nyet, pravda, dozdavanya, perestroika, glasnost and sputnik (and so many others)...
...we introduce: PAKUDNYAK!

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17812/paskudnyak]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to learn a little (more) Russian, perhaps.<br />
(They have lots of experience in certain areas&#8230;.)</p>
<p>From the people who brought us such useful&#8212;even invaluable&#8212;words as vodka, caviar, da, nyet, pravda, dozdavanya, perestroika, glasnost and sputnik (and so many others)&#8230;<br />
&#8230;we introduce: PAKUDNYAK!</p>
<p><a href="https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17812/paskudnyak" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/17812/paskudnyak</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 07:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[What shadow said....
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&quot;I think its likely Manchin realizes this and know he would get outsized blame in his state for what would happen over the next 2 years.&quot;

Perhaps.

But I would prefer to believe that Manchin is doing it for a far better, far more noble reason: to save the country. (Kindly try not to laugh too hard...)

...Or if that last is a bit of a stretch, then how &#039;bout just, Because he&#039;s not totally and utterly insane (IOW because he&#039;s not onboard with his party&#039;s plan to destroy his country...in fact, he&#039;s resisting it with all the courage he can muster):

&#039;Manchin Slams Dem Spending Plan As &quot;Definition Of Fiscal Insanity&quot;, Will Not &quot;Reengineer Social Fabric&quot; With &#039;Vengeful&#039; Taxation&#039;
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-will-vote-avert-shutdown-pelosi-reschedules-infrastructure-vote-after-progressives

...Of course, this ought to lead to the next---and only logical---question: Why is Manchin STILL a Democrat?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What shadow said&#8230;.<br />
&#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211; &#8211;</p>
<p>&#8220;I think its likely Manchin realizes this and know he would get outsized blame in his state for what would happen over the next 2 years.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps.</p>
<p>But I would prefer to believe that Manchin is doing it for a far better, far more noble reason: to save the country. (Kindly try not to laugh too hard&#8230;)</p>
<p>&#8230;Or if that last is a bit of a stretch, then how &#8217;bout just, Because he&#8217;s not totally and utterly insane (IOW because he&#8217;s not onboard with his party&#8217;s plan to destroy his country&#8230;in fact, he&#8217;s resisting it with all the courage he can muster):</p>
<p>&#8216;Manchin Slams Dem Spending Plan As &#8220;Definition Of Fiscal Insanity&#8221;, Will Not &#8220;Reengineer Social Fabric&#8221; With &#8216;Vengeful&#8217; Taxation&#8217;<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-will-vote-avert-shutdown-pelosi-reschedules-infrastructure-vote-after-progressives" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/senate-will-vote-avert-shutdown-pelosi-reschedules-infrastructure-vote-after-progressives</a></p>
<p>&#8230;Of course, this ought to lead to the next&#8212;and only logical&#8212;question: Why is Manchin STILL a Democrat?</p>
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		By: shadow		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[shadow]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Sep 2021 00:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[They don&#039;t care about having a mandate, as in they&#039;ll do whatever they want with or without a mandate, but they certainly like to pretend they have a mandate.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They don&#8217;t care about having a mandate, as in they&#8217;ll do whatever they want with or without a mandate, but they certainly like to pretend they have a mandate.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2021 23:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whenever they really want 50 votes + Kamala they have 50 votes + Kamala. Sometimes they borrow some Rs to get there. The Sinemas and McCains are not allowed to interfere when it&#039;s what the bulk of the Uniparty wants. The Dems are not captured by the far left any more than the R&#039;s are by the far right. It comes down to crony capitalism fundamentally. In order to deliver to their cronies they have to be in office and have to pander to their base, and the Designated Maverick is a necessary part of that strategy.

&lt;i&gt;When Republicans want to make money, they go into business. When Democrats want to make money they go into government. &lt;/i&gt;

Plenty of Republicans making plenty of money going into government and steering that money to business. Elaine Chao sits on boards just as Hunter Biden does; I don&#039;t doubt that she&#039;s better qualified, but if her husband wasn&#039;t the Senate Minority Leader her presence on boards would not be worth as much as if he weren&#039;t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whenever they really want 50 votes + Kamala they have 50 votes + Kamala. Sometimes they borrow some Rs to get there. The Sinemas and McCains are not allowed to interfere when it&#8217;s what the bulk of the Uniparty wants. The Dems are not captured by the far left any more than the R&#8217;s are by the far right. It comes down to crony capitalism fundamentally. In order to deliver to their cronies they have to be in office and have to pander to their base, and the Designated Maverick is a necessary part of that strategy.</p>
<p><i>When Republicans want to make money, they go into business. When Democrats want to make money they go into government. </i></p>
<p>Plenty of Republicans making plenty of money going into government and steering that money to business. Elaine Chao sits on boards just as Hunter Biden does; I don&#8217;t doubt that she&#8217;s better qualified, but if her husband wasn&#8217;t the Senate Minority Leader her presence on boards would not be worth as much as if he weren&#8217;t.</p>
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		By: Paul in Boston		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Paul in Boston]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2021 23:33:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike K.  When Republicans want to make money, they go into business. When Democrats want to make money they go into government.  That’s why Democrat run cities and States are such bastions of corruption.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike K.  When Republicans want to make money, they go into business. When Democrats want to make money they go into government.  That’s why Democrat run cities and States are such bastions of corruption.</p>
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		By: Kate		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kate]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2021 23:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Pelosi had said the House would vote the smaller &quot;infrastructure&quot; bill tomorrow. We&#039;ll see if she allows that, and what happens. It&#039;s possible both that bill and the massive &quot;reconciliation&quot; bill will go down. We can hope]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pelosi had said the House would vote the smaller &#8220;infrastructure&#8221; bill tomorrow. We&#8217;ll see if she allows that, and what happens. It&#8217;s possible both that bill and the massive &#8220;reconciliation&#8221; bill will go down. We can hope</p>
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		By: Gordon Scott		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gordon Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2021 23:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[As someone else pointed out, Pelosi is willing to sacrifice the House Democrats in marginal seats to get this passed. She knows it can happen. It happened in 2010, after Obamacare.

But they got Obamacare. And John McCain, in a trademark fit of pique, made sure it stayed. 

Now, they can see it, all their dreams, which mainly consist of a permanent rule. If they can just force easy-to-cheat rules on the states, and dump billions into union get-the-vote-out-of-the-cemetary efforts, well, it could happen. After all, Pelosi et al aren&#039;t fools. They know exactly how it was done in 2020, and they&#039;re determined to do it again.

10,000 votes can flip pretty much any House or Senate race. Look at Arizona, where a survey suggests as many as 100,000 votes never made it back into the counting center. Do you think your letter carrier doesn&#039;t know your political leanings? Of course he does. He sees which party&#039;s mailings show up at your door.

It&#039;s like when Scott Adams suggests that both parties want elections the voters can trust. A, that&#039;s a mistaken assumption. One party, at least, doesn&#039;t give a crap, and they have the media lined up behind them. They think things are working just fine, and if they can brazen it through one more time, they&#039;ll have the permanent control they desire.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone else pointed out, Pelosi is willing to sacrifice the House Democrats in marginal seats to get this passed. She knows it can happen. It happened in 2010, after Obamacare.</p>
<p>But they got Obamacare. And John McCain, in a trademark fit of pique, made sure it stayed. </p>
<p>Now, they can see it, all their dreams, which mainly consist of a permanent rule. If they can just force easy-to-cheat rules on the states, and dump billions into union get-the-vote-out-of-the-cemetary efforts, well, it could happen. After all, Pelosi et al aren&#8217;t fools. They know exactly how it was done in 2020, and they&#8217;re determined to do it again.</p>
<p>10,000 votes can flip pretty much any House or Senate race. Look at Arizona, where a survey suggests as many as 100,000 votes never made it back into the counting center. Do you think your letter carrier doesn&#8217;t know your political leanings? Of course he does. He sees which party&#8217;s mailings show up at your door.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s like when Scott Adams suggests that both parties want elections the voters can trust. A, that&#8217;s a mistaken assumption. One party, at least, doesn&#8217;t give a crap, and they have the media lined up behind them. They think things are working just fine, and if they can brazen it through one more time, they&#8217;ll have the permanent control they desire.</p>
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