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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2021 12:07:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;We&#039;re with the FBI.&quot;

&quot;Sheesh. Do your parents know?&quot;

That said, I know two people--different time zones--who are going through a very rough patch and whose neighbors are federal agents--Secret Service in one case--and could not be more helpful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We&#8217;re with the FBI.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Sheesh. Do your parents know?&#8221;</p>
<p>That said, I know two people&#8211;different time zones&#8211;who are going through a very rough patch and whose neighbors are federal agents&#8211;Secret Service in one case&#8211;and could not be more helpful.</p>
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		By: Roofer Dude		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Roofer Dude]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2021 09:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Oh yeah, &quot;Insurrection Day&quot;.  So similar to Bastille Day with folks roaming through the streets with iPhones taking photos and their MAGA hats, not needing any weapons or assistance from the Régiment des Gardes françaises.  

Calling it an insurrection changes the definition of the word.  What an utter joke.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yeah, &#8220;Insurrection Day&#8221;.  So similar to Bastille Day with folks roaming through the streets with iPhones taking photos and their MAGA hats, not needing any weapons or assistance from the Régiment des Gardes françaises.  </p>
<p>Calling it an insurrection changes the definition of the word.  What an utter joke.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Sep 2021 00:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Richard Spencer… there’s a lot of Astroturfing out there. Some done by your friendly FBI, some by your friendly Fellow American Cosmopolitan Unmentionable Billionaire Oligarchs: Kirk and TPUSA being case in point.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proud Boys, Oath Keepers, Richard Spencer… there’s a lot of Astroturfing out there. Some done by your friendly FBI, some by your friendly Fellow American Cosmopolitan Unmentionable Billionaire Oligarchs: Kirk and TPUSA being case in point.</p>
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		By: Aggie		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Aggie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 23:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;Agent provocateurs&lt;/i&gt;.  When the doors to the Capital were first breached, the activities were led by a number of men dressed all in black.  Some of them had been restrained by the Hoi Polloi of normal people, the Faces in the Crowd types that had attended the Trump rally across the Mall.  This is plainly seen in the many videos shot before the entry was successfully made.  They were even asking the cops that were there, for help.

Then when the crowds began surging in, there was a cadre of men who had positioned themselves at the front of each wave, who exhorted the Hoi Polloi to attack Capital Police force, to &#039;reclaim their rights&#039; and &#039;defend the Constitution&#039; and other provocative and incendiary phrases in an absurdly simplistic - i.e. phoney - Patriotic vein.

Yet - as far as I can tell - none of these bad actors have been identified or targeted by the Feds.  The only ones that seem to have been targeted are the ones that became memes, the Joe Sixpack types:  Mr. Boots on Pelosi&#039;s desk, Viking Man, the Lectern Carrier, and etc.  I&#039;m sure there are probably others that are righteous busts, brawlers in the crowd.  But the FBI has never announced that they have arrested, and are prosecuting, the large number of agitators that led these kinds of charges inside the building - as far as I can tell.  They stand out from the normal demographic of Trump supporters that wandered around and mostly stayed within the velvet ropes.

The reluctance to release the video evidence is part of this, I believe.  They don&#039;t want the public pointing to the bad actors and saying &#039;What about this guy?&quot; - potentially leaving their inside informers busted and the shreds of their cases demolished completely.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Agent provocateurs</i>.  When the doors to the Capital were first breached, the activities were led by a number of men dressed all in black.  Some of them had been restrained by the Hoi Polloi of normal people, the Faces in the Crowd types that had attended the Trump rally across the Mall.  This is plainly seen in the many videos shot before the entry was successfully made.  They were even asking the cops that were there, for help.</p>
<p>Then when the crowds began surging in, there was a cadre of men who had positioned themselves at the front of each wave, who exhorted the Hoi Polloi to attack Capital Police force, to &#8216;reclaim their rights&#8217; and &#8216;defend the Constitution&#8217; and other provocative and incendiary phrases in an absurdly simplistic &#8211; i.e. phoney &#8211; Patriotic vein.</p>
<p>Yet &#8211; as far as I can tell &#8211; none of these bad actors have been identified or targeted by the Feds.  The only ones that seem to have been targeted are the ones that became memes, the Joe Sixpack types:  Mr. Boots on Pelosi&#8217;s desk, Viking Man, the Lectern Carrier, and etc.  I&#8217;m sure there are probably others that are righteous busts, brawlers in the crowd.  But the FBI has never announced that they have arrested, and are prosecuting, the large number of agitators that led these kinds of charges inside the building &#8211; as far as I can tell.  They stand out from the normal demographic of Trump supporters that wandered around and mostly stayed within the velvet ropes.</p>
<p>The reluctance to release the video evidence is part of this, I believe.  They don&#8217;t want the public pointing to the bad actors and saying &#8216;What about this guy?&#8221; &#8211; potentially leaving their inside informers busted and the shreds of their cases demolished completely.</p>
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		By: Gregory+Harper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregory+Harper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 23:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree that the FBI should be dissolved but of course it&#039;s not going to happen.  Who would do it?  Hard to believe that Trump went through all the trouble of firing James Comey only to replace him with the oleaginous Christopher Wray.  It&#039;s hard to believe that there wasn&#039;t somebody on the Trump team who noticed what a corrupt sleazebag Wray is.  I just don&#039;t see how the deep corruption at FBI, CIA, NSA etc. gets fixed.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the FBI should be dissolved but of course it&#8217;s not going to happen.  Who would do it?  Hard to believe that Trump went through all the trouble of firing James Comey only to replace him with the oleaginous Christopher Wray.  It&#8217;s hard to believe that there wasn&#8217;t somebody on the Trump team who noticed what a corrupt sleazebag Wray is.  I just don&#8217;t see how the deep corruption at FBI, CIA, NSA etc. gets fixed.</p>
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		By: Geoffrey Britain		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Geoffrey Britain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 22:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The Jan 6th protest was used by the democrats to create a false flag event. In doing so, all involved committed treason.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jan 6th protest was used by the democrats to create a false flag event. In doing so, all involved committed treason.</p>
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		By: Art Deco		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Art Deco]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 22:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;perhaps restructuring it into an investigative unit under more direct control of the various US attorneys who handle federal law infractions.&lt;/i&gt;

Note, investigation and patrol on the one hand and prosecution on the other are in separate departments under separate chains of command at the state and local level.  We&#039;re having problems with wretched abuses by federal authorities.  Why should we wish to &lt;i&gt;enhance&lt;/i&gt; a signature feature of federal law enforcement?

Why not rescramble the contents of the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security?  One department for prosecutions, one for civil defense and disaster relief, one for custody, one for security services on federal property &#038;c, one for roving investigations; and one for patrols, inspections, and miscellany?  

And, while were at it, dissolve the hopeless FBI and scarify the federal criminal code.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>perhaps restructuring it into an investigative unit under more direct control of the various US attorneys who handle federal law infractions.</i></p>
<p>Note, investigation and patrol on the one hand and prosecution on the other are in separate departments under separate chains of command at the state and local level.  We&#8217;re having problems with wretched abuses by federal authorities.  Why should we wish to <i>enhance</i> a signature feature of federal law enforcement?</p>
<p>Why not rescramble the contents of the Departments of Justice and Homeland Security?  One department for prosecutions, one for civil defense and disaster relief, one for custody, one for security services on federal property &amp;c, one for roving investigations; and one for patrols, inspections, and miscellany?  </p>
<p>And, while were at it, dissolve the hopeless FBI and scarify the federal criminal code.</p>
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		By: SHIREHOME		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SHIREHOME]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 22:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[At least it isn&#039;t being said that the upper echelon of the FBI are the only criminals. Rank and file are all in on it. Rot from top to bottom.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least it isn&#8217;t being said that the upper echelon of the FBI are the only criminals. Rank and file are all in on it. Rot from top to bottom.</p>
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		By: geoffb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[geoffb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 22:08:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Nonapod,

Agent provocateurs, at least from the 60s on but likely they have been at it since the beginning of the agency.

Have they done good work too? Yes, but the pernicious effects of the bad undermine any and all the good done. Not that they are alone either.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/475941/

Organizations with less accountability on their power entice the corruptible to join and get the rewards corruption.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nonapod,</p>
<p>Agent provocateurs, at least from the 60s on but likely they have been at it since the beginning of the agency.</p>
<p>Have they done good work too? Yes, but the pernicious effects of the bad undermine any and all the good done. Not that they are alone either.</p>
<p><a href="https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/475941/" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/475941/</a></p>
<p>Organizations with less accountability on their power entice the corruptible to join and get the rewards corruption.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Sep 2021 21:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tuvea:

I think you misunderstood me.

Note that I didn&#039;t say WHEN this had happened.  The Howie Carr link I added, for example, says it happened at least 50 years ago.  I also think it happened a long time ago, although I couldn&#039;t say exactly when.  I do think it has gotten worse and worse in the last decade or two, however, and during the Trump years.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tuvea:</p>
<p>I think you misunderstood me.</p>
<p>Note that I didn&#8217;t say WHEN this had happened.  The Howie Carr link I added, for example, says it happened at least 50 years ago.  I also think it happened a long time ago, although I couldn&#8217;t say exactly when.  I do think it has gotten worse and worse in the last decade or two, however, and during the Trump years.</p>
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