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		By: ErisGuy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/22/the-computer-may-be-the-best-tool-tyranny-ever-had/#comment-2579114</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ErisGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2021 10:03:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt; How many citizens would be content to live without the convenience of a smartphone, the finest friend ever to any totalitarian regime?&lt;/i&gt;

I’m not a technological fatalist. Just because writing exists doesn’t mean all governments must make lists of enemies to send to camps. Just because boxcars exist, governments aren’t compelled to round up Jews. We humans decide to use these tools these ways. I have enough optimism about human nature that communism/fascism/CRT/BLM isn’t inevitable.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> How many citizens would be content to live without the convenience of a smartphone, the finest friend ever to any totalitarian regime?</i></p>
<p>I’m not a technological fatalist. Just because writing exists doesn’t mean all governments must make lists of enemies to send to camps. Just because boxcars exist, governments aren’t compelled to round up Jews. We humans decide to use these tools these ways. I have enough optimism about human nature that communism/fascism/CRT/BLM isn’t inevitable.</p>
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		By: ErisGuy		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/22/the-computer-may-be-the-best-tool-tyranny-ever-had/#comment-2579113</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ErisGuy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Sep 2021 09:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wanted to go all French/Russian revolution on the Left in 1990. People said, oh, Eris, you’re over reacting. Since I never wanted to be a &lt;i&gt;lone&lt;/i&gt; gunman, I waited. Now it’s too late.

You thought you could have [public homosexuality &#124; feminism &#124; socialism &#124; …] and [ free speech &#124; freedom of religion &#124; freedom of assembly &#124; …] you can’t.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to go all French/Russian revolution on the Left in 1990. People said, oh, Eris, you’re over reacting. Since I never wanted to be a <i>lone</i> gunman, I waited. Now it’s too late.</p>
<p>You thought you could have [public homosexuality | feminism | socialism | …] and [ free speech | freedom of religion | freedom of assembly | …] you can’t.</p>
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		By: OBloody Proofreader Hell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/22/the-computer-may-be-the-best-tool-tyranny-ever-had/#comment-2578763</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBloody Proofreader Hell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 22:36:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;There is a very interesting novel from 1954,&lt;/i&gt;

Even more interesting, David,  is that you submitted that review the day before Jan 6th.

:-/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>There is a very interesting novel from 1954,</i></p>
<p>Even more interesting, David,  is that you submitted that review the day before Jan 6th.</p>
<p>:-/</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 22:18:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[geoffb, that is one incredibly powerful thread.

Another &quot;mother-lode&quot; twitter-roll that adds several more layers of complexity---and anxiety---to the elaborate scheme.

Thanks...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>geoffb, that is one incredibly powerful thread.</p>
<p>Another &#8220;mother-lode&#8221; twitter-roll that adds several more layers of complexity&#8212;and anxiety&#8212;to the elaborate scheme.</p>
<p>Thanks&#8230;</p>
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		By: OBloody Proofreader Hell		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/22/the-computer-may-be-the-best-tool-tyranny-ever-had/#comment-2578753</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OBloody Proofreader Hell]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 22:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[}}} &lt;i&gt;I find it interesting that the Left always claims that the Conservatives want to do this sort of thing, but the Left are always the ones who actually do it.&lt;/i&gt;

SCOTT:

This is what Viva Frei refers to as &quot;Confession through Projection&quot;.
;-)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>}}} <i>I find it interesting that the Left always claims that the Conservatives want to do this sort of thing, but the Left are always the ones who actually do it.</i></p>
<p>SCOTT:</p>
<p>This is what Viva Frei refers to as &#8220;Confession through Projection&#8221;.<br />
😉</p>
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		By: geoffb		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[geoffb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 20:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Came across this in a Twitter-thread and it relates to the Sussman indictment and the topic here. 

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1441094231854968835.html

Since Neustar has/had access to the metadata of all mobile calls and texts in the US since 1977, they were who law enforcement would query when they wanted records on someone&#039;s calls and texts. That would give Neustar a database of just who every law enforcement officer and agent was investigating and who the officer/agent was who was doing the investigation. That&#039;s a powerful database to have.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Came across this in a Twitter-thread and it relates to the Sussman indictment and the topic here. </p>
<p><a href="https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1441094231854968835.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1441094231854968835.html</a></p>
<p>Since Neustar has/had access to the metadata of all mobile calls and texts in the US since 1977, they were who law enforcement would query when they wanted records on someone&#8217;s calls and texts. That would give Neustar a database of just who every law enforcement officer and agent was investigating and who the officer/agent was who was doing the investigation. That&#8217;s a powerful database to have.</p>
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		By: Frederick		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Frederick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 18:09:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Relying on AI is a weakness as much as a strength. In &quot;1984&quot; the Party&#039;s surveillance state was motivated by the desire of humans to exercise power over other humans. But if AI is brought in then the humans exercising the power don&#039;t really; they are much slaves to the algorithms or neural nets or whatever as much as anyone else. Everyone is just doing what the magic boxes tell them, and watching what the boxes tell them to watch, and punishing who the boxes tell them to in the way the boxes tell them to and no one will understand the why of any of it.

Instead of &quot;1984&quot; we end up with &quot;That Hideous Strength&quot; where the people pulling the wires do so at the behest of a possessed, reanimated, decapitated head (sorry about the spoiler if you didn&#039;t get around to reading it in the 60 years it&#039;s been out).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Relying on AI is a weakness as much as a strength. In &#8220;1984&#8221; the Party&#8217;s surveillance state was motivated by the desire of humans to exercise power over other humans. But if AI is brought in then the humans exercising the power don&#8217;t really; they are much slaves to the algorithms or neural nets or whatever as much as anyone else. Everyone is just doing what the magic boxes tell them, and watching what the boxes tell them to watch, and punishing who the boxes tell them to in the way the boxes tell them to and no one will understand the why of any of it.</p>
<p>Instead of &#8220;1984&#8221; we end up with &#8220;That Hideous Strength&#8221; where the people pulling the wires do so at the behest of a possessed, reanimated, decapitated head (sorry about the spoiler if you didn&#8217;t get around to reading it in the 60 years it&#8217;s been out).</p>
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		By: Hubert		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hubert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 17:34:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Molly+Brown: I was studying Russian at the time, so watched (and later read) Solzhenitsyn&#039;s 1978 address at Harvard. It was clear that it was not what the audience was expecting.

&quot;The warm hand of God&quot;--perhaps. But it wasn&#039;t the warm hand of God that defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. It was B-17s, B-29s, lots of ordnance, the atomic bomb, and air-sea-land combat that killed almost 500,000 Americans. Faith is good. Ammunition is essential. Here&#039;s an imagined dialogue between the fictional Eugene Sledge and the fictional Robert Leckie on that very topic, from the HBO miniseries &quot;The Pacific&quot;: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI8TzsQfRm4

Zaphod: I&#039;m familiar with Solzhenitsyn&#039;s views on Russian-Jewish relations. I&#039;m also familiar with Dr. Kevin MacDonald&#039;s views on Jews and their (in his opinion) baleful influence on Western civilization. My quick take AAJ (As A Jew), echoing Barry Meislin&#039;s comments in another thread: left-wing Jews have done a lot of damage to this country and other countries, including your former country (the Slovo-Suzman Effect). Furthermore: left-wing Jews are incorrigible. They are impervious to argument and evidence. Finally, they are relentless. So: what to do? There are actually answers to this problem that stop short of a bullet to the back of the head or one-way helicopter rides. We applied them as a country in the 1940s and 1950s, just as we addressed illegal immigration around the same time through Operation Wetback and similar roundup-and-deportation programs. The question is, Can we muster the cultural confidence and other forms of grit to do so again? You seem to think not. I&#039;m somewhat more optimistic.

David Foster: thanks for the reminder re: &quot;Red Plenty&quot;. I bought it a while ago. Read the first chapter and liked it, but set it aside for other things. Will pick it up again.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Molly+Brown: I was studying Russian at the time, so watched (and later read) Solzhenitsyn&#8217;s 1978 address at Harvard. It was clear that it was not what the audience was expecting.</p>
<p>&#8220;The warm hand of God&#8221;&#8211;perhaps. But it wasn&#8217;t the warm hand of God that defeated Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan. It was B-17s, B-29s, lots of ordnance, the atomic bomb, and air-sea-land combat that killed almost 500,000 Americans. Faith is good. Ammunition is essential. Here&#8217;s an imagined dialogue between the fictional Eugene Sledge and the fictional Robert Leckie on that very topic, from the HBO miniseries &#8220;The Pacific&#8221;: </p>
<p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI8TzsQfRm4" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BI8TzsQfRm4</a></p>
<p>Zaphod: I&#8217;m familiar with Solzhenitsyn&#8217;s views on Russian-Jewish relations. I&#8217;m also familiar with Dr. Kevin MacDonald&#8217;s views on Jews and their (in his opinion) baleful influence on Western civilization. My quick take AAJ (As A Jew), echoing Barry Meislin&#8217;s comments in another thread: left-wing Jews have done a lot of damage to this country and other countries, including your former country (the Slovo-Suzman Effect). Furthermore: left-wing Jews are incorrigible. They are impervious to argument and evidence. Finally, they are relentless. So: what to do? There are actually answers to this problem that stop short of a bullet to the back of the head or one-way helicopter rides. We applied them as a country in the 1940s and 1950s, just as we addressed illegal immigration around the same time through Operation Wetback and similar roundup-and-deportation programs. The question is, Can we muster the cultural confidence and other forms of grit to do so again? You seem to think not. I&#8217;m somewhat more optimistic.</p>
<p>David Foster: thanks for the reminder re: &#8220;Red Plenty&#8221;. I bought it a while ago. Read the first chapter and liked it, but set it aside for other things. Will pick it up again.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 16:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[david foster,
Nice.  I copied the book ref. for a look.

It took me a couple sentences to understand the meaning of &quot;shadow prices&quot; as being manipulated by a computer program in order to simulate variable pricing in a society that only has fixed prices.

I especially like the part about how the understanding and data going into the computer program is suspect; &quot;But the program should still work.&quot;  Ha!

Having talked to many researchers who have worked with massive computer models I&#039;ve gotten the impression that the confidence in these models is roughly proportional to the amount of time, effort and lines of code invested in them.  Well, confidence is what they advertise to the outside world, but a desperate attitude of &quot;there is no alternative&quot; is what they might communicate in private over a couple beers.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>david foster,<br />
Nice.  I copied the book ref. for a look.</p>
<p>It took me a couple sentences to understand the meaning of &#8220;shadow prices&#8221; as being manipulated by a computer program in order to simulate variable pricing in a society that only has fixed prices.</p>
<p>I especially like the part about how the understanding and data going into the computer program is suspect; &#8220;But the program should still work.&#8221;  Ha!</p>
<p>Having talked to many researchers who have worked with massive computer models I&#8217;ve gotten the impression that the confidence in these models is roughly proportional to the amount of time, effort and lines of code invested in them.  Well, confidence is what they advertise to the outside world, but a desperate attitude of &#8220;there is no alternative&#8221; is what they might communicate in private over a couple beers.</p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Sep 2021 15:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Some have been claiming that the wheels are falling off for the Democrats.

(But what if they don&#039;t NEED any wheels?...)
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/09/22/its-all-falling-apart-for-biden-and-democratic-leadership-in-d-c-n1480604]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some have been claiming that the wheels are falling off for the Democrats.</p>
<p>(But what if they don&#8217;t NEED any wheels?&#8230;)<br />
<a href="https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/09/22/its-all-falling-apart-for-biden-and-democratic-leadership-in-d-c-n1480604" rel="nofollow ugc">https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2021/09/22/its-all-falling-apart-for-biden-and-democratic-leadership-in-d-c-n1480604</a></p>
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