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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 17:18:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@ TommyJay &#062; &quot;My progression was from Fortran and PLC through 10 other useless language&quot;
I only made it through about 3 useless languages (they looked like a good idea at the time), did some work in a local-shop-made assembler, and a couple of other novel proprietary languages, including the founding iteration of Novell Data Systems, which floundered drastically before Ray Noorda took over and made it competitive. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell

My t-shirt says &quot;FORTRAN jock: I speak in GO TOs&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ TommyJay &gt; &#8220;My progression was from Fortran and PLC through 10 other useless language&#8221;<br />
I only made it through about 3 useless languages (they looked like a good idea at the time), did some work in a local-shop-made assembler, and a couple of other novel proprietary languages, including the founding iteration of Novell Data Systems, which floundered drastically before Ray Noorda took over and made it competitive. </p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novell</a></p>
<p>My t-shirt says &#8220;FORTRAN jock: I speak in GO TOs&#8221;</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/17/open-thread-9-17-21/#comment-2577697</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 16:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod,
It is amazing to me that China was on the cutting edge of human civilization for a couple millennia, and then f&#039;d it all up by burning libraries and being technologically backward in the 18th and 19th century.  Oh, but the glories of the Warring States Period.  Those were the good old days.  It&#039;s like some exemplar for the Klingon culture on Star Trek.

You can say they that already did the destruction in the Mao period, but of course, that debacle was imported from the West, unlike the library burning event.  And now they imported rampant debt fueled economic progress from the West too.  I&#039;m expecting a bank melt down there, but I won&#039;t be surprised if they&#039;re smart enough to dodge that somehow.

I don&#039;t disagree greatly with you.  I don&#039;t see anything standing in the way of Taiwan being subsumed into the PRC.  I could be full of it on this next point, but I also would not be surprised if the merger happened without a shot fired.  That is, Taiwan accepts the inevitable.

Gotta run for awhile.  Today is repair work day.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod,<br />
It is amazing to me that China was on the cutting edge of human civilization for a couple millennia, and then f&#8217;d it all up by burning libraries and being technologically backward in the 18th and 19th century.  Oh, but the glories of the Warring States Period.  Those were the good old days.  It&#8217;s like some exemplar for the Klingon culture on Star Trek.</p>
<p>You can say they that already did the destruction in the Mao period, but of course, that debacle was imported from the West, unlike the library burning event.  And now they imported rampant debt fueled economic progress from the West too.  I&#8217;m expecting a bank melt down there, but I won&#8217;t be surprised if they&#8217;re smart enough to dodge that somehow.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t disagree greatly with you.  I don&#8217;t see anything standing in the way of Taiwan being subsumed into the PRC.  I could be full of it on this next point, but I also would not be surprised if the merger happened without a shot fired.  That is, Taiwan accepts the inevitable.</p>
<p>Gotta run for awhile.  Today is repair work day.</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/17/open-thread-9-17-21/#comment-2577693</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[TommyJay]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 16:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Wow.  Basic Assembler.  Unusual.
My progression was from Fortran and PLC through 10 other useless language, to a reluctant convert to early C, and then an avid fan of ANSI C.  I did write some C++ but only to access the wonderful Std. Math Lib.  Crap like Foundation classes were too much for me or I was getting too old.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.  Basic Assembler.  Unusual.<br />
My progression was from Fortran and PLC through 10 other useless language, to a reluctant convert to early C, and then an avid fan of ANSI C.  I did write some C++ but only to access the wonderful Std. Math Lib.  Crap like Foundation classes were too much for me or I was getting too old.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/17/open-thread-9-17-21/#comment-2577663</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 06:26:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@JD Keene:

&quot;BAL, Basic Assembler Language

Tiny computers! Good times.&quot;

Hard core! Kudos!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JD Keene:</p>
<p>&#8220;BAL, Basic Assembler Language</p>
<p>Tiny computers! Good times.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hard core! Kudos!</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/17/open-thread-9-17-21/#comment-2577662</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 06:15:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@BryanLovely:

&quot;(He’s actually kind of interesting, in that he’s mixed-race black/Japanese, and so has obvious sympathies with both communities instead of an interest in screwing over one or the other.)&quot;

Well, we should be thankful for small mercies.

But he might be OK with screwing over you who are (presumably) neither?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@BryanLovely:</p>
<p>&#8220;(He’s actually kind of interesting, in that he’s mixed-race black/Japanese, and so has obvious sympathies with both communities instead of an interest in screwing over one or the other.)&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, we should be thankful for small mercies.</p>
<p>But he might be OK with screwing over you who are (presumably) neither?</p>
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		By: Bryan Lovely		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 05:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JimNorCal --

The slightly saner progressive candidate for Seattle Mayor says he&#039;s against abolishing SFR zoning in Seatttle.

Of course, he&#039;s slightly saner, so that means the completely insane candidate will win in a landslide and SFR will go out the window.

(He&#039;s actually kind of interesting, in that he&#039;s mixed-race black/Japanese, and so has obvious sympathies with both communities instead of an interest in screwing over one or the other.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JimNorCal &#8212;</p>
<p>The slightly saner progressive candidate for Seattle Mayor says he&#8217;s against abolishing SFR zoning in Seatttle.</p>
<p>Of course, he&#8217;s slightly saner, so that means the completely insane candidate will win in a landslide and SFR will go out the window.</p>
<p>(He&#8217;s actually kind of interesting, in that he&#8217;s mixed-race black/Japanese, and so has obvious sympathies with both communities instead of an interest in screwing over one or the other.)</p>
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		By: JD Keene		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/17/open-thread-9-17-21/#comment-2577659</link>

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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 05:03:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod

BAL,  Basic Assembler Language

Tiny computers! Good times.

Today, ‘tis all life in the rear view mirror]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod</p>
<p>BAL,  Basic Assembler Language</p>
<p>Tiny computers! Good times.</p>
<p>Today, ‘tis all life in the rear view mirror</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/17/open-thread-9-17-21/#comment-2577656</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 04:24:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Cool map below showing how trade patterns have changed between the year 2000 and 2020.

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-most-terrifying-map-in-world.html

My humble suggestion is to ignore the commentary and comments. Some of it is OK, but there’s always too much wishful thinking and Cope-ium (the Right seems addicted to this medication) in them.

There’s really only one thing to take home: The West and triply-so the USA needs to learn how to make things again. At scale. If that means autarky(*), temporary scarcities, and putting some MBAs and Bankers up against the wall, pour encourager les autres, so be it. There is no other way.

* Lolbertarians, Rothbardians, and Friends please step outside. Vlad awaits you. Don’t worry, we’d like you to stick around. On sticks.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool map below showing how trade patterns have changed between the year 2000 and 2020.</p>
<p><a href="https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-most-terrifying-map-in-world.html" rel="nofollow ugc">https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2021/09/the-most-terrifying-map-in-world.html</a></p>
<p>My humble suggestion is to ignore the commentary and comments. Some of it is OK, but there’s always too much wishful thinking and Cope-ium (the Right seems addicted to this medication) in them.</p>
<p>There’s really only one thing to take home: The West and triply-so the USA needs to learn how to make things again. At scale. If that means autarky(*), temporary scarcities, and putting some MBAs and Bankers up against the wall, pour encourager les autres, so be it. There is no other way.</p>
<p>* Lolbertarians, Rothbardians, and Friends please step outside. Vlad awaits you. Don’t worry, we’d like you to stick around. On sticks.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 04:08:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@TommyJay:

Make no mistake. China’s rulers are Machiavellian Assholes. They’re just not the Cartoon Assholes you get fed by your Ruling Clown Show Assholes == Media, Think Tanks, Ivies, FedGov, etc.

There is no Reality in which you don’t get to be governed by Assholes. Or were Checks and Balances invented for a government of Fairy Godmothers?

If you’re thinking up China Failure Modes (and it’s fun, sure) you’re almost certainly going to get them all wrong because even your supposed Dissident Right is mostly operating with many of the same fundamental ****unexamined**** axioms as the GloboHomo Establishment — i.e. Open Societies Always Win. Totalitarianism Always Loses. And plenty more of these. There’s simply zero evidence one way or the other. Propaganda Victories in C20 don’t really count here as proof.

The PRC will hit an ice-berg one day… Inevitable. Every society ends up hoist by its own petard of Contradictions.

But you can bet dollars to donuts it won’t run aground on any shoals mapped out by Western ‘Experts’ — who would do better to focus on righting their own leaky boats.

PS: I’d hate to see my 2nd favorite weekend getaway location, Taiwan, be ruined by Mainlanders. I’ve got the usual natural sympathy with underdogs (provided they’re not total slum dogs — which the Taiwanese are not!) . Having said that, the best thing for the world right now would be a quick win for China over Taiwan before the USA made a gigantic cluster#$%^ of a debacle which would make the Afghan Own Goal look like a walk in the park. This is not a hill to die on.

A man’s gotta know his limitations.

Empires, too.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@TommyJay:</p>
<p>Make no mistake. China’s rulers are Machiavellian Assholes. They’re just not the Cartoon Assholes you get fed by your Ruling Clown Show Assholes == Media, Think Tanks, Ivies, FedGov, etc.</p>
<p>There is no Reality in which you don’t get to be governed by Assholes. Or were Checks and Balances invented for a government of Fairy Godmothers?</p>
<p>If you’re thinking up China Failure Modes (and it’s fun, sure) you’re almost certainly going to get them all wrong because even your supposed Dissident Right is mostly operating with many of the same fundamental ****unexamined**** axioms as the GloboHomo Establishment — i.e. Open Societies Always Win. Totalitarianism Always Loses. And plenty more of these. There’s simply zero evidence one way or the other. Propaganda Victories in C20 don’t really count here as proof.</p>
<p>The PRC will hit an ice-berg one day… Inevitable. Every society ends up hoist by its own petard of Contradictions.</p>
<p>But you can bet dollars to donuts it won’t run aground on any shoals mapped out by Western ‘Experts’ — who would do better to focus on righting their own leaky boats.</p>
<p>PS: I’d hate to see my 2nd favorite weekend getaway location, Taiwan, be ruined by Mainlanders. I’ve got the usual natural sympathy with underdogs (provided they’re not total slum dogs — which the Taiwanese are not!) . Having said that, the best thing for the world right now would be a quick win for China over Taiwan before the USA made a gigantic cluster#$%^ of a debacle which would make the Afghan Own Goal look like a walk in the park. This is not a hill to die on.</p>
<p>A man’s gotta know his limitations.</p>
<p>Empires, too.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
		<link>https://thenewneo.com/2021/09/17/open-thread-9-17-21/#comment-2577653</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 03:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@JimNorCal:

It’s also about Section 8 and making it impossible for non-Ruling Elite Whites to hide from the joys of Diversity.

A lot of it is driven by anti-White racial animus.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@JimNorCal:</p>
<p>It’s also about Section 8 and making it impossible for non-Ruling Elite Whites to hide from the joys of Diversity.</p>
<p>A lot of it is driven by anti-White racial animus.</p>
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