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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just the kind of guy you want to lead your military:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/general-milley-downplayed-blm-riots-prevent-trump-invoking-insurrection-act]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just the kind of guy you want to lead your military:<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/general-milley-downplayed-blm-riots-prevent-trump-invoking-insurrection-act" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/general-milley-downplayed-blm-riots-prevent-trump-invoking-insurrection-act</a></p>
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		By: Barry Meislin		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Barry Meislin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 19:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Related:
&quot;America’s woke generals and the Military-Industrial Complex must be purged to save the nation...&quot;
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/deep-state-deep-trouble]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Related:<br />
&#8220;America’s woke generals and the Military-Industrial Complex must be purged to save the nation&#8230;&#8221;<br />
<a href="https://www.zerohedge.com/political/deep-state-deep-trouble" rel="nofollow ugc">https://www.zerohedge.com/political/deep-state-deep-trouble</a></p>
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		By: Richard Aubrey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Richard Aubrey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 13:38:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mike,

Fort Hood&#039;s been a jumping place recently, what with murders and suicides.  The military knows that stuff just happens.,  You have a lot of people who are either bored or stressed.  Question is whether it&#039;s more than what might be considered the average allowance.
I haven&#039;t been able to find out what was going on 2013-14.
Last year, the entire leadership team was relieved.
So I suspect one might compare what was going on when Milley was there to what was going on five or six years ago.   Not sure the earlier period has been pulled together due to investigations, so I&#039;m not in a position to judge.
I never deployed, so I&#039;m not in a position to judge &quot;combat time.&quot;.  Back fifty plus years, I encountered an Infantry lieutenant who had an Indianhead patch--insignia of the 2ID--on his shirt front.  Didn&#039;t look authorized.  I asked.  It was unofficial, division-specific.  You got it for &quot;forty missions into the zone&quot;, which is the DMZ in Korea.  Patrolling, looking for Norks doing the same, laying intel devices, mines, etc.   Sweaty work.
Shortly thereafter, I found those holding the award were retroactively qualified for the Combat Infantryman&#039;s Badge.  It&#039;s the blue panel with a laurel wreath represented.  It&#039;s worn above all fruit salad but the MoH.
So the 2ID guys were in combat, or not, depending on whether the CIB had been authorized wen somebody as looking at their records.
The CIB doesn&#039;t cover everything  Tankers in the savage fighting in the ETO didn&#039;t qualify.  And Armor doesn&#039;t have an equivalent, as far as I know.
Milley has a CIB.  For what?
No way to tell from the outside, but if you&#039;re in a mostly defensive role, with fire coming in on a regular basis, it might be considered Infantry combat without one actually doing something notable.
Anybody in Infantry combat qualifies, on the understanding that it&#039;s about as bad as it gets.  My father, Infantry platoon leader, CIB, SIlver Star, several Purple Hearts, remarked that anybody who took one step forward deserved a medal.  You don&#039;t have to be a hero. Take one step forward and don&#039;t let down your buddies.  Or just keep it together-command wise--while in a defensive role.

So I&#039;d ask if Milley&#039;s CIB was awarded while the guys in his command were or were not awarded same.  Or other guys in similar situations.

LBJ got a Silver Star for almost going on a recon flight, iirc.  So it depends on who you are.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mike,</p>
<p>Fort Hood&#8217;s been a jumping place recently, what with murders and suicides.  The military knows that stuff just happens.,  You have a lot of people who are either bored or stressed.  Question is whether it&#8217;s more than what might be considered the average allowance.<br />
I haven&#8217;t been able to find out what was going on 2013-14.<br />
Last year, the entire leadership team was relieved.<br />
So I suspect one might compare what was going on when Milley was there to what was going on five or six years ago.   Not sure the earlier period has been pulled together due to investigations, so I&#8217;m not in a position to judge.<br />
I never deployed, so I&#8217;m not in a position to judge &#8220;combat time.&#8221;.  Back fifty plus years, I encountered an Infantry lieutenant who had an Indianhead patch&#8211;insignia of the 2ID&#8211;on his shirt front.  Didn&#8217;t look authorized.  I asked.  It was unofficial, division-specific.  You got it for &#8220;forty missions into the zone&#8221;, which is the DMZ in Korea.  Patrolling, looking for Norks doing the same, laying intel devices, mines, etc.   Sweaty work.<br />
Shortly thereafter, I found those holding the award were retroactively qualified for the Combat Infantryman&#8217;s Badge.  It&#8217;s the blue panel with a laurel wreath represented.  It&#8217;s worn above all fruit salad but the MoH.<br />
So the 2ID guys were in combat, or not, depending on whether the CIB had been authorized wen somebody as looking at their records.<br />
The CIB doesn&#8217;t cover everything  Tankers in the savage fighting in the ETO didn&#8217;t qualify.  And Armor doesn&#8217;t have an equivalent, as far as I know.<br />
Milley has a CIB.  For what?<br />
No way to tell from the outside, but if you&#8217;re in a mostly defensive role, with fire coming in on a regular basis, it might be considered Infantry combat without one actually doing something notable.<br />
Anybody in Infantry combat qualifies, on the understanding that it&#8217;s about as bad as it gets.  My father, Infantry platoon leader, CIB, SIlver Star, several Purple Hearts, remarked that anybody who took one step forward deserved a medal.  You don&#8217;t have to be a hero. Take one step forward and don&#8217;t let down your buddies.  Or just keep it together-command wise&#8211;while in a defensive role.</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d ask if Milley&#8217;s CIB was awarded while the guys in his command were or were not awarded same.  Or other guys in similar situations.</p>
<p>LBJ got a Silver Star for almost going on a recon flight, iirc.  So it depends on who you are.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 02:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

“Iron Sky”

That’s Nachrichten to me. Please don’t rune it for me with any spoilers! :P]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>“Iron Sky”</p>
<p>That’s Nachrichten to me. Please don’t rune it for me with any spoilers! 😛</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 02:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

Did you catch this Finnish marvel, &quot;Iron Sky&quot;:
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&lt;i&gt;Iron Sky is a 2012 Finnish-German-Australian[4] comic-science-fiction action film ...[]which tells &lt;b&gt;the story of a group of Nazi Germans who, having been defeated in 1945, fled to the Moon, where they built a space fleet to return in 2018 and conquer Earth.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;
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I&#039;ll have pull my copy off the hard drive...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>Did you catch this Finnish marvel, &#8220;Iron Sky&#8221;:<br />
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<p><i>Iron Sky is a 2012 Finnish-German-Australian[4] comic-science-fiction action film &#8230;[]which tells <b>the story of a group of Nazi Germans who, having been defeated in 1945, fled to the Moon, where they built a space fleet to return in 2018 and conquer Earth.</b></i><br />
________________________________</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have pull my copy off the hard drive&#8230;</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 02:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@Huxley:

Re: Evo Psych

You’ll get no arguments from me on that. And yes, don’t be caught standing between one and whatever he/she is after at any given moment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Huxley:</p>
<p>Re: Evo Psych</p>
<p>You’ll get no arguments from me on that. And yes, don’t be caught standing between one and whatever he/she is after at any given moment.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 02:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

From an Evolutionary Psych POV psychopaths are a useful part of human diversity. Not for everything, but when you need a psychopath, you need one.

Not so good for those unlucky enough to be in the way.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>From an Evolutionary Psych POV psychopaths are a useful part of human diversity. Not for everything, but when you need a psychopath, you need one.</p>
<p>Not so good for those unlucky enough to be in the way.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 02:30:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley:

Steve Jobs was definitely a psychopath. He had a low tolerance threshold for woke BS and it’s a pity he killed himself with his new age stupidity. Would be super amusing to see him running Apple today. Definitely would do it better than current incumbent reptile.

“I once joked with a friend that there ought to be a self-help book titled, “Everything I Needed to Know I Learned from the Gestapo.”

In a world run by the Gestapo we’d all be getting around in these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën_Traction_Avant

And wearing long leather coats. Plus Nazi Moon Bases! Which would be way cool.

OTOH I wouldn’t be able to troll half the good folks here with my morning coffee. Solipsism Uber Alles! So, three small cheers for Stalin.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley:</p>
<p>Steve Jobs was definitely a psychopath. He had a low tolerance threshold for woke BS and it’s a pity he killed himself with his new age stupidity. Would be super amusing to see him running Apple today. Definitely would do it better than current incumbent reptile.</p>
<p>“I once joked with a friend that there ought to be a self-help book titled, “Everything I Needed to Know I Learned from the Gestapo.”</p>
<p>In a world run by the Gestapo we’d all be getting around in these:</p>
<p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën_Traction_Avant" rel="nofollow ugc">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citroën_Traction_Avant</a></p>
<p>And wearing long leather coats. Plus Nazi Moon Bases! Which would be way cool.</p>
<p>OTOH I wouldn’t be able to troll half the good folks here with my morning coffee. Solipsism Uber Alles! So, three small cheers for Stalin.</p>
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		By: Zaphod		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Zaphod]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 02:25:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[@huxley:

We’re going to get them ruling over you and me whether you want them or no. It’s not optional. So best have a better class of psychopaths doing it — ones where their goals are not totally orthogonal to us Cattle they farm, err I meant to say: Lead.

This is how the world is. There’s no Cincinnatus and his plough. In fact John Deere (run, doubtless by a psychopathic CEO) goes out of its way with cryptographic engine and system management software magic to  bar third party repairers from working on their fiendishly expensive but essential equipment.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@huxley:</p>
<p>We’re going to get them ruling over you and me whether you want them or no. It’s not optional. So best have a better class of psychopaths doing it — ones where their goals are not totally orthogonal to us Cattle they farm, err I meant to say: Lead.</p>
<p>This is how the world is. There’s no Cincinnatus and his plough. In fact John Deere (run, doubtless by a psychopathic CEO) goes out of its way with cryptographic engine and system management software magic to  bar third party repairers from working on their fiendishly expensive but essential equipment.</p>
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		By: huxley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[huxley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2021 02:20:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Zaphod:

We&#039;re looking for a few good ... psychopaths.

During Steve Jobs&#039; heyday I recall corporate self-help literature argued the pros and cons of psychopath CEOs.

I once joked with a friend that there ought to be a self-help book titled, &quot;Everything I Needed to Know I Learned from the Gestapo.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zaphod:</p>
<p>We&#8217;re looking for a few good &#8230; psychopaths.</p>
<p>During Steve Jobs&#8217; heyday I recall corporate self-help literature argued the pros and cons of psychopath CEOs.</p>
<p>I once joked with a friend that there ought to be a self-help book titled, &#8220;Everything I Needed to Know I Learned from the Gestapo.&#8221;</p>
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