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		By: AesopFan		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Sep 2021 02:29:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[All these stories of vaccinated people getting infected in group settings and probably being the carriers (rather than the unvaxxed being the plague bringers), calls to mind the explanations that Obama&#039;s people gave for why his birthday bash was okay - they were all the superiorly intelligent vaccinated.  
Any bets on whether or not we will ever hear how many of them got sick later?

Also, it&#039;s been linked elsewhere, but don&#039;t miss the Glenn Greenwald article on our newly minted Bourbon Burlesque Aristocracy.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-masking-of-the-servant-class
&quot;The Masking of the Servant Class: Ugly COVID Images From the Met Gala Are Now Commonplace
While AOC&#039;s revolutionary and subversive socialist gown generated buzz, the normalization of maskless elites attended to by faceless servants is grotesque.&quot;]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these stories of vaccinated people getting infected in group settings and probably being the carriers (rather than the unvaxxed being the plague bringers), calls to mind the explanations that Obama&#8217;s people gave for why his birthday bash was okay &#8211; they were all the superiorly intelligent vaccinated.<br />
Any bets on whether or not we will ever hear how many of them got sick later?</p>
<p>Also, it&#8217;s been linked elsewhere, but don&#8217;t miss the Glenn Greenwald article on our newly minted Bourbon Burlesque Aristocracy.</p>
<p><a href="https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-masking-of-the-servant-class" rel="nofollow ugc">https://greenwald.substack.com/p/the-masking-of-the-servant-class</a><br />
&#8220;The Masking of the Servant Class: Ugly COVID Images From the Met Gala Are Now Commonplace<br />
While AOC&#8217;s revolutionary and subversive socialist gown generated buzz, the normalization of maskless elites attended to by faceless servants is grotesque.&#8221;</p>
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		By: Gregory+Harper		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Gregory+Harper]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Sep 2021 19:22:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Mrs. Whatsit:

Thanks for your interest.  I am now fully recovered.  I would rate my illness as an average flu with the exception of losing my senses of taste and smell.  I wouldn&#039;t have been concerned at all about my illness if I hadn&#039;t heard all the horror stories.

As far as I know there were no hospitalizations. Although I did hear that one guest may have infected someone who was already very ill.  What I found unusual were the number of people who not only became infected but became sick, several of these people were young and healthy (including my son).   This made me think that this must be happening to other vaccinated people.  I long ago lost my faith in the CDC but now I am even more skeptical of anything they say.  

I hope I now have strong immunity.  I&#039;m not changing any plans based on this experience.  I plan on going to Europe in October to visit my in-laws.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mrs. Whatsit:</p>
<p>Thanks for your interest.  I am now fully recovered.  I would rate my illness as an average flu with the exception of losing my senses of taste and smell.  I wouldn&#8217;t have been concerned at all about my illness if I hadn&#8217;t heard all the horror stories.</p>
<p>As far as I know there were no hospitalizations. Although I did hear that one guest may have infected someone who was already very ill.  What I found unusual were the number of people who not only became infected but became sick, several of these people were young and healthy (including my son).   This made me think that this must be happening to other vaccinated people.  I long ago lost my faith in the CDC but now I am even more skeptical of anything they say.  </p>
<p>I hope I now have strong immunity.  I&#8217;m not changing any plans based on this experience.  I plan on going to Europe in October to visit my in-laws.</p>
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		By: Mrs Whatsit		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mrs Whatsit]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 23:16:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Gregory+Harper, thanks for your story. You didn&#039;t say how you are doing.  I hope that you and the other wedding guests are recovering well and feeling better by now. Your experience echoes my sense of how this summer has gone: we thought and hoped and even assumed that now, with vaccinations, we could finally go back to celebrating weddings, going on family vacations, attending funerals and all of that. Living normally. And maybe we can, and maybe we should, even given the transmissibility of Covid in its current form. I have plans to attend a family memorial service in October, with far-flung family members from various continents, for an aunt who died during the pandemic (not of Covid -- but Covid delayed the memorial).  And I have other plans to travel and explore and visit that I am so reluctant to put on the shelf.  But right now I still have a cough that would scare you to death if you were right next to me, and for that reason am mostly staying home. 

Are you and the other wedding guests recovering well? Has anybody been hospitalized?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gregory+Harper, thanks for your story. You didn&#8217;t say how you are doing.  I hope that you and the other wedding guests are recovering well and feeling better by now. Your experience echoes my sense of how this summer has gone: we thought and hoped and even assumed that now, with vaccinations, we could finally go back to celebrating weddings, going on family vacations, attending funerals and all of that. Living normally. And maybe we can, and maybe we should, even given the transmissibility of Covid in its current form. I have plans to attend a family memorial service in October, with far-flung family members from various continents, for an aunt who died during the pandemic (not of Covid &#8212; but Covid delayed the memorial).  And I have other plans to travel and explore and visit that I am so reluctant to put on the shelf.  But right now I still have a cough that would scare you to death if you were right next to me, and for that reason am mostly staying home. </p>
<p>Are you and the other wedding guests recovering well? Has anybody been hospitalized?</p>
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		By: OBloodyHell		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:48:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Part of the issue here is that you&#039;re citing infections.


The Key POINT:

&lt;b&gt;WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT &lt;i&gt;INFECTIONS&lt;/i&gt;?&lt;/b&gt;

No one gives a rat&#039;s ASS about being infected. They CARE if they are hospitalized, experience a serious complication (i.e., losing their sense of smell), or die. 

The first two stats are literally impossible to get any actual &lt;i&gt;contextually significant&lt;/i&gt; information on, and the latter tend to get thrown about without context, as well... i.e., age group and co-morbidities. THAT info is out there, on the CDC site (age data, at least) but not much else.

It&#039;s the lack of CONTEXT surrounding data, perceptions, and reporting which is the main issue. 

I had some idiot who had posted &quot;kids are dying and getting hospitalized in mass numbers from the delta variant&quot;. I challenged this -- he cited a report that said, no, there wasn&#039;t any overall increase (i.e., he was either lying or just too fucking stupid to actually comprehend the news article). 

Actual facts: (At that time, about 6w ago), Florida had seen an upsurge of 300% of &quot;kids hospitalized&quot;... Only far lower down -- para 12 or so, was it mentioned that this &quot;upsurge&quot; was from 4 to 12... &lt;b&gt;out of 2.6 &lt;i&gt;MILLION&lt;/i&gt; SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.&lt;/b&gt; Yeesh.

SMH.
Give me a fucking BREAK!


And yet this is the kind of shit idiots everywhere are yammering about and supporting idiotic mandates over.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Part of the issue here is that you&#8217;re citing infections.</p>
<p>The Key POINT:</p>
<p><b>WHO GIVES A FUCK ABOUT <i>INFECTIONS</i>?</b></p>
<p>No one gives a rat&#8217;s ASS about being infected. They CARE if they are hospitalized, experience a serious complication (i.e., losing their sense of smell), or die. </p>
<p>The first two stats are literally impossible to get any actual <i>contextually significant</i> information on, and the latter tend to get thrown about without context, as well&#8230; i.e., age group and co-morbidities. THAT info is out there, on the CDC site (age data, at least) but not much else.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s the lack of CONTEXT surrounding data, perceptions, and reporting which is the main issue. </p>
<p>I had some idiot who had posted &#8220;kids are dying and getting hospitalized in mass numbers from the delta variant&#8221;. I challenged this &#8212; he cited a report that said, no, there wasn&#8217;t any overall increase (i.e., he was either lying or just too fucking stupid to actually comprehend the news article). </p>
<p>Actual facts: (At that time, about 6w ago), Florida had seen an upsurge of 300% of &#8220;kids hospitalized&#8221;&#8230; Only far lower down &#8212; para 12 or so, was it mentioned that this &#8220;upsurge&#8221; was from 4 to 12&#8230; <b>out of 2.6 <i>MILLION</i> SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN.</b> Yeesh.</p>
<p>SMH.<br />
Give me a fucking BREAK!</p>
<p>And yet this is the kind of shit idiots everywhere are yammering about and supporting idiotic mandates over.</p>
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		By: Bryan Lovely		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 22:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve read that things like scrap metal drives during WW2 were basically useless to the war effort, but let the general public feel like they were contributing.

I think a lot of the CDC Covid guidelines have been similar.

(War Bonds, I&#039;m told, were mostly intended to suck up all that extra cash that was being paid out as war wages and therefore keep inflation down.)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve read that things like scrap metal drives during WW2 were basically useless to the war effort, but let the general public feel like they were contributing.</p>
<p>I think a lot of the CDC Covid guidelines have been similar.</p>
<p>(War Bonds, I&#8217;m told, were mostly intended to suck up all that extra cash that was being paid out as war wages and therefore keep inflation down.)</p>
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		By: TommyJay		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 21:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for that Neo.  I haven&#039;t intentionally avoided things like motels, though I was contemplating such a trip soon.

The CDC did say at one point not too long ago, that if a family has an infected family member living in their household, they should disinfect surfaces frequently.

My suspicion is that there may be this &quot;noble lie&quot; factor where the CDC and other officials don&#039;t want to provoke a panic where people stop seeing doctors and stop eating for fear of supermarkets, etc.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Neo.  I haven&#8217;t intentionally avoided things like motels, though I was contemplating such a trip soon.</p>
<p>The CDC did say at one point not too long ago, that if a family has an infected family member living in their household, they should disinfect surfaces frequently.</p>
<p>My suspicion is that there may be this &#8220;noble lie&#8221; factor where the CDC and other officials don&#8217;t want to provoke a panic where people stop seeing doctors and stop eating for fear of supermarkets, etc.</p>
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		By: Sharon W		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Sharon W]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 20:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[&quot;I do suspect that fomite transmission is a real issue, but at what level?&quot; TommyJay

Sometime in May/June of 2020 Johns Hopkins had an entire layout on how fomite transmission was a non-factor in transmission-- a very thorough analysis of sources and findings. I wondered when the adjustments were going to be made at public places. I was telling my friends not to worry. When one of them wanted proof, I went back to the site and lo and behold that information was wiped. The best you could get was the CDC stating that &quot;it isn&#039;t the main way it is transmitted.&quot;  I was already in a place of not trusting the &quot;authorities&quot;. There was much work to do, to stop the Trump rallies and to ensure that mail-in voting be instituted for the election. Our science, truly became political &quot;science&quot; via the government/social media response to the pandemic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I do suspect that fomite transmission is a real issue, but at what level?&#8221; TommyJay</p>
<p>Sometime in May/June of 2020 Johns Hopkins had an entire layout on how fomite transmission was a non-factor in transmission&#8211; a very thorough analysis of sources and findings. I wondered when the adjustments were going to be made at public places. I was telling my friends not to worry. When one of them wanted proof, I went back to the site and lo and behold that information was wiped. The best you could get was the CDC stating that &#8220;it isn&#8217;t the main way it is transmitted.&#8221;  I was already in a place of not trusting the &#8220;authorities&#8221;. There was much work to do, to stop the Trump rallies and to ensure that mail-in voting be instituted for the election. Our science, truly became political &#8220;science&#8221; via the government/social media response to the pandemic.</p>
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		By: stan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[stan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The medical establishment in our country has demonstrated mind-numbing incompetence and relentless dishonesty in every aspect of the handling of covid.  The numbers on cases, hospitalizations and deaths are blatant fiction.  I am really shocked at people who should know better after 18 months of this nonsense continuing to use data generated in the USA as if it were actually quality information.

Apparently, some people are so addicted to crunching numbers and offering analysis that they will do so no matter how bad the data. Sad. It&#039;s like climate science only worse. Rumpelstiltskin only claimed to turn straw into gold. Today&#039;s covid number crunchers are claiming to do it with crap. 

I&#039;m reminded of the Wall Street con artists who claimed that they could slice and dice bad mortgage debt into &quot;tranches&quot; and make most of it investment grade quality.  

Sorry, it ain&#039;t chicken salad. No matter how much mayo they add.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The medical establishment in our country has demonstrated mind-numbing incompetence and relentless dishonesty in every aspect of the handling of covid.  The numbers on cases, hospitalizations and deaths are blatant fiction.  I am really shocked at people who should know better after 18 months of this nonsense continuing to use data generated in the USA as if it were actually quality information.</p>
<p>Apparently, some people are so addicted to crunching numbers and offering analysis that they will do so no matter how bad the data. Sad. It&#8217;s like climate science only worse. Rumpelstiltskin only claimed to turn straw into gold. Today&#8217;s covid number crunchers are claiming to do it with crap. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m reminded of the Wall Street con artists who claimed that they could slice and dice bad mortgage debt into &#8220;tranches&#8221; and make most of it investment grade quality.  </p>
<p>Sorry, it ain&#8217;t chicken salad. No matter how much mayo they add.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[neo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:38:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yawrate:

Yes, I&#039;ve read those arguments, and I don&#039;t find them persuasive, at least not so far.  Viruses always mutate and there&#039;s always a chance that a more virulent form will emerge.  But usually these new variants are both more easily spread and less virulent.  Even with the vaccine so far, that seems to be holding - more easily spread and less virulent. Viruses are successful if they spread and &lt;i&gt;don&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; kill their hosts or even make them too sick, the better to spread.  After all, if you&#039;re alive and moving around, you can infect more people.  That&#039;s something I remember learning long ago, and I think for the most part it will still hold true.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yawrate:</p>
<p>Yes, I&#8217;ve read those arguments, and I don&#8217;t find them persuasive, at least not so far.  Viruses always mutate and there&#8217;s always a chance that a more virulent form will emerge.  But usually these new variants are both more easily spread and less virulent.  Even with the vaccine so far, that seems to be holding &#8211; more easily spread and less virulent. Viruses are successful if they spread and <i>don&#8217;t</i> kill their hosts or even make them too sick, the better to spread.  After all, if you&#8217;re alive and moving around, you can infect more people.  That&#8217;s something I remember learning long ago, and I think for the most part it will still hold true.</p>
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		By: neo		</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Sep 2021 18:15:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[TommyJay:

I&#039;ve done all those things - fly, stay in motel, stay in air b&amp;b - and so far so good.  I don&#039;t think there&#039;s much transmission through inanimate objects.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TommyJay:</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve done all those things &#8211; fly, stay in motel, stay in air b&#038;b &#8211; and so far so good.  I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s much transmission through inanimate objects.</p>
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